February 2014 Starting Chemo Club

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  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited June 2014

    3doglady...yay for last treatment!  I had my last treatment June 2....I also keep track of my side effects and just told my husband how funny it is that you can predict what will happen and when...usually for me anyway...except the sheer exhaustion!  One day I am good so I do stuff and the next day I crash!!!

    I was sitting at the dinner table....had a good day and even went in the pool....I started zoning out during dinner and staring...my husband stared at me for a minute and said,"Are you dreaming about your bed?"....I cracked up and said YES! how did you know???...so many times, he knows the upcoming SEs before I do!!  We will be married 30 years at end of month so I guess that's part of it!

    As for numbness...yours sounds like mine..balls of feet especially...my doc lowered taxotere so I was only at 40% dose on my last treatment ...hoping it won't get worse...I feel it more in my fingers when I try to play guitar...but mostly it's the upper arm numbness from ALND I think that is bothersome when I play...going to PT next week for that before I start rads on June 23...so much juggling with dr. Appointments!  Good luck with SEs! Rosie

  • 3doglady
    3doglady Member Posts: 50
    edited June 2014

    Thanks, Rosie...and Lago and Jb!  Yes, still have numbness from the lymph node removal.The steroids made my surgery area swell up last weekend; thought lymphadema was getting me.  But it subsided before treatment, will wait for it this week!  

  • gatorgal89
    gatorgal89 Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2014

    Yay 3dog and Rosie! You are finished! Woohooo!

    My numbness that I experienced after week 6 of Taxol is getting better (I think) it seems to be confined to the very tips of my fingers. I hope it goes away!  I need my fine motor skills for texting and typing!

    Anyone ever hear of dandelion tea to reduce fluid retention?

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2014

    gatorgal tea in general is a diuretic but not sure if it  helps reduce fluid retention from chemo. Be sure to let your onc know that you are still retaining fluid. Also it's a good sign that the nueropathy is starting to get better. You may not have any permanent damage. 

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited June 2014

    hey...I know a lot of us are just finishing chemo..woopwoop!  I scheduled port removal for June 17...now I am nervous!! It was not horrible getting it in...is it easier getting it out?  I am just squeamish about it...only positive experiences please!! Lol...should I ask for anti anxiety drug?

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2014

    Getting out is much easier than getting in and I had mine in for 2 years. (They can stick in there sometimes especially if you've had it in for a long time like me. My surgeon said mine did but I didn't seem to have any issues.) I had a local. Was actually told to eat lightly after the rest of the day… BULLSHIT I hadn't eaten since 9 the night before and it was 12:30pm. We went straight to the Italian joint down around the corner. I had a big piece of spinach lasagna. I even at all the bread on the table too. I was starved. No issues at all.

  • princessrn
    princessrn Member Posts: 370
    edited June 2014

    gator girl.... Yes dandelion tea for fluid reduction. 

  • h0pe
    h0pe Member Posts: 125
    edited June 2014

    Is anyone taking anything to help with speedy hair growth? I still have 3 more treatments of taxol, but am anxious to get the hair growing!

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited June 2014

    My port removal is scheduled for the 16th.  to be done in his office.  I will get a local anesthetic and it will be pulled!   I watched a few Youtube videos on it and I am fine with it.  Being admitted for OP and a mild twilight sedation is way more daunting to me.   It should be out in 10 minutes!  I will give a full report on this board afterwards.

    I just found out I need to fly to Denver for a job interview on Wednesday next week too.  Doc said NO PROBLEM!

    H0pe, I am using Nexim (?) scalp treatment that I got a  ULTA.  My hair is growing nicely (although somewhat unevenly)...can't swear if its the product or not.  It doesn't make your hair grow, but it creates the best conditions to allow it to grow.

  • Lisaj514
    Lisaj514 Member Posts: 719
    edited June 2014

    jbokland, nioxin? There are so many "systems" I see. Which one did they tell you was supposed to be good for this damn chemo hair, and encourage the normal hair to start growing?

    Good luck all with port removals. I had mine done 3 weeks PFC at outpt surgery (interventional radiation).  No problem and it feels much better with it out. Mine was very prominent, although that made it easy for the nurses but more sensitive for me. You could see every outline of it including the 3 small protrusions that they feel for when poking you. But...I has a little reaction to the sutures, the internal ones were supposed to be dissolvable but mine did not and started getting a little infection, and the sutures started to poke out. So we cut them. Treated with antibiotics and it is fine. Another part of it decided to expel itself today so I pulled it free and cut it. This stuff does not bother me. Where the scar is though makes it look like I was stabbed in the chest in a knife fight. I should make up a good story. Where it is is covered by by clothes or even tank tops, unless I wear strapless, which I don't.

    Going to cape cod tomorrow for almost 1 week vacation. Need to leave earlier than planned due to radiation. RO said I could have 3 treatment days off. Have to leave early thurs morning to get back for thurs afternoon rad. That's ok. Have had 7/34 as of today

  • MomMom
    MomMom Member Posts: 523
    edited June 2014

    jbokland.  I can't wait to hear how the 10 minute port removal goes, as that's what my BS does. But she had to insert it in the hospital with twilight sleep.  Will a BS or an IR do it?

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2014

    Going to the cape. Say hi to my mom and dad. I head that way in a little over a month. I'm originally from SE of Boston 

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited June 2014

    largo.  A New Englandet!!! That explains so much!!! Lol 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2014

    Explains what? 

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited June 2014

    So, I had my last chemo yesterday whoo-hoo!!!

    I have a question for ya'll :) I had asked a couple of appts ago with MO about scans after tx to see if it worked. She said that she didn't really do scans and her thought was the scans only gave peace of mind for a short time. My husband and I didn't push at that point, but I've become increasingly more bothered by that mentality.

    My question is, what is the norm in these situations? I mean how do we know that all this chemo and radiation has done any good?? She stated that unless I presented with other symptoms she didn't think scans were needed. I told dh that I was going to insist on something being scanned, but am I barking up the wrong tree on this?

    What has your experience been in this regard?

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2014

    Tangandchris the only scans I had were on my liver because they did see some lesions in my first scans. First one 1 year PFC and the last one 6 months after that. Some of these went away and the others stayed stable so it is believed they are cysts. 

    Scans are not good for you either. CT scans do have radiation. do you really want more? Also there is no increased survival with scans. What  you need to ask your onc is what symptoms to report have checked out. Also remember you aren't completely finished. You still have hormone therapy. 

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited June 2014

    tangandchris...so happy you finally finished!! I also asked my oncologist and he said no scans...now right before chemo and after my lumpectomy I did get a PET scan as my liver function numbers were high and he wanted a scan...but now that chemo is done scans are not in the immediate plan...I just saw my surgeon today and my plan is to see her every 3 months for a breast exam and she wants a baseline mammogram after radiation...I have LCIS ILC and we know it's hard to see so it's different than DCIS or IDC I think...your question is a good one...if I start worrying about stuff in the future I think I would ask for a screening for peace of mind...I actually was going to get an MRI before rads but then decided against it as their are false positives and I just wasn't ready to deal with all that.  

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited June 2014


    I just wanted to know what the norm was. That is a good idea though, as far as knowing what symptoms to report to MO. I had a PET full body and another on my breasts prior to surgery and tx. They told me they saw a cyst on my liver and ovary, but didn't seem to concerned at that time.

    I've heard about people saying their cancer is in remission, or NED....so how is that determined??

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2014

    Tangandchris I think my onc scanned me because I was HER2+ with a large tumor. HER2+ likes to go to the liver. Yes they call us NED (no evidence of disease). They don't consider cured till 25-30 have passed or you die of something else. Yeah I know, you kinda find that out after chemo is done. Seems like a rip-off but like they say no "known" cure. We might be cured, many of us early stage are but they just won't say for sure because they don't know. 

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited June 2014


    It's frustrating, alot of my dealings with my MO have left me feeling like they really don't know if anything is really gonna work, until it doesn't.

    My family has all been asking me about it too...I don't know what to say lol. I'm just gonna bask in the after glow of finishing chemo for a bit longer :)

     

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited June 2014

    remission indicates an active cancer that has "stopped".  In my case, as many of us my cancer was removed with my BMX, with no other cancer, I am considered cancer-free. 

    The MO will keep an eye out with blood test to watch liver enzymes and tumor marker levels.  If you have a pain that last longer than two weeks or other unexplained issues that raises a concern , they may scan again.  Otherwise additional PET cans are not indicated. 

    Hope that helps!

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited June 2014

    tangandchris...I would enjoy this time and celebrate being done with chemo!!  I know I am!!  I start rads Monday...I know I will be concerned about my situation more after this fog clears...I kept my lumpectomy and was at peace with my decision...I will need to be very vigilant with follow up appointments and self breast exams and taking hormone blocking drug, whatever that will be!  I knew all that when I made my decision...I will   see surgeon every 3 months and she will do breast exam, possible MRI even though we know ILC is sneaky and hard to see...we did see it in the mammo is what she said...so I will be in close contact with my care team for awhile...at least that will be my comfort but I am happy ($"$$@$$@???) I had the aggressive treatment as I would be more skeptical if I didn't do rads and chemo...but then again I had 3 positive nodes....oh, yeah....I will also continue to pray...a lot! Rosie 

  • Jules_NY
    Jules_NY Member Posts: 276
    edited June 2014

    Tangandchris-Congrats on finishing chemo and yes celebrate that for as long as you can!!!!! Every case is different. For me I had chemo first because my tumor grows in sheets and not lumps so the margins of my tumor could never really be seen in scans, it actually wasn't seen at all on my mammo. I had a breast MRI and a full PET before chemo and will get a breast MRI prior to my surgery to see the difference and get an idea of how the tumor responded. After my surgery and rads I will not be scanned again unless something happens. One of the main goals for anyone is clean margins from surgery. 

    But like you said they don't really know who will get cancer again just like they don't know (for the most part) who will get it to begin with. They use statistics and data to come up with % chance. Living in ignorant bliss is not an option for us. A plus for me is I've become more aware of my body and symptoms than ever before. So if something does happen again I will be on top of it. Hopefully I won't lose that.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited June 2014


    okay...I thought the hiccups were just a weird coincidence...guess not! http://www.kantrowitz.com/cancerpoints/hiccups.html

    I'm just gonna keep on keeping on with the rest of tx. I think that I am learning thru this process that I can't obsess and worry over every little thing all the time. That has always been my way, and it really does nothing to prevent or help any siutation. I will pray and work on staying in the moment the best I can.

    oh and yes, I have noticed I get the hiccups for a few days after each chemo...weird!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2014

    Tangandchris don't let this asshole MO get you to quit. Find a new one. Remember that although there are no guarantee this will work the odds are in your favor it will. Stopping will put the odds in favor of recurrence. It's only a few months of hell to reduce your chances of many many months of hell. 

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited June 2014


    I'm not quitting! :) I made it thru chemo, bimx, 2 rounds of IV antibiotics thanks to psedumonas, 5 freaking surgeries.....now I think radiation and hormone blockers will be a breeze. lol

    So many times I wanted to quit, especially after round 4 that one really kicked my ass. I cried and cried to dh that I didn't want to go back, I cried and cried to God about it. I made it though!

    I don't know if I'll go back for recon though, I will see my PS this Friday but that is on the bottom of priority list.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2014

    I know a gal who had her TE's for 10 years before she finally did recon. Given that you are doing rads the longer you wait the better the results will be anyway. Granted 10 years is a bit much! 

  • 3doglady
    3doglady Member Posts: 50
    edited June 2014

    What a great feeling to be DONE!  congratulations! and, yeah, I always wondered why no scans.  I made an assumption that unless there was node involvement, there was nothing to scan.  My fear is that when I have my bmx that they will find more cancer and take more nodes and then I'll wake up and be devastated.  but, I also dont want to live NOW worried about something in the future.  

    A week and a day post final chemo, I'm still having heart palpatations that they tried to say was anxiety.  Im still sore in the muscles, and get tired walking up steps.  Still bloated in belly and hands and feet.  I know some of this will go away.  Sigh.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2014

    3doglady remember the chemo cycle. You have to get through that before it gets better. I was doing chemo every 3 weeks. It wasn't till week PFC I really started to notice the stiffness going away. But it will take some time. I eventually had to go on a diuretic for water retention but it's still very early for you. You will get there.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited June 2014

    lago-I think you talked about your nails lifting...was this during or after chemo? My nails are very sore, even sore typing this. My thumb nail snagged on something and broke all the way down to the quick and now I'm noticing another nail doing the same thing. I'm going to cut all my nails down really short, should I? The pain is bad, stupid nails!

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