STRESS with Breast Cancer too! How much can we take?

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Hi Everyone!

This site is so helpful on the unlimited issues we go through with Breast cancer!  I have seen many threads about treatment of stress.  Just wondering if any one has thoughts, data, statistics about stress contributing to a recurrence of breast cancer or for others here...an initial diagnosis. Is major stress a contributing factor??


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  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited May 2014

    If stress contributed to a recurrence, we would all have recurrences!

    More seriously, stress likely does affect our health in so many ways, but is so hard to qualify in studies.  We are getting better at recognizing the science of stress through stress hormones that can be measured.  Some day we will be able to qualify our levels of stress and degree of disease as a consequence.

  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited May 2014

    I have had one of the most stressful few years of my life prior to my diagnosis...not sure if it contributed, but thinking that it could be at least one factor. My health had always been exceptional. Not even a cold for almost 20 years. I had the immune system of someone's dreams. Since my diagnosis, that has changed. Not sure if the aromasin contributed or not but sure feel unlike myself these days.

  • Sunshineinky
    Sunshineinky Member Posts: 461
    edited May 2014

    I had an extremely stressful job.  I was lucky to retire from it in Nov 2013.  that was my first opportunity.  Low and behold, BC popped up in March 2014.  Do I think the stress contributed...absolutely.  

  • jramick
    jramick Member Posts: 88
    edited May 2014

    Hi Everyone!

    I guess I should have put this post under a more frequently viewed topic but I am still learning. I know that stress can compromise our immune systems in general but don't know if there have been studies.  I think there might be.

    Yes Sunshine! My mother in law too had a stressful job and retired after things got really tough for her.  Within a year, she was diagnosed.  Somewhat the same with me that I was having stress with major life issues prior to my diagnosis.  

    I guess to scientifically research it might be difficulty to quantify level of stress in individuals but could at least be categorized. Then it would depend on subjects reactions to stress and any activities that would relieve it.

    Thanks for the posts! I'm hoping for more. 

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited June 2014

    I'm not aware of any studies regarding a link between bc and stress.  But I have a hard time accepting that it would be a major factor.  That's because I know many women who've had extreme amounts of stress in their lives and do not have bc.  Life itself is going to produce stress.  You will have difficulties.  There will be emotional pain and struggles. I have a sister two years older than me who smokes and struggles more financially.  She raised four children (I only have one child) and one of those kids was addicted to heroin and it was extremely hard on her. She also has a less supportive husband emotionally.  But she's not the one who got the diagnosis of bc.  

    I mean, if you polled women in your life and asked if they're experiencing stress, which ones are going to say no?  We deal with marriage/divorce, child rearing, our own parents, financial issues, death of loved ones, work, relationships, ect., and it's not all going to go smoothly for any of us.  Yet some women will not be diagnosed with bc even tho they cope with a tremendous amount of stress.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited June 2014

    I think stress is a contributor to BC. I was under extreme stress b4 my Dx. Still am to a degree but doing better. I love it when doctors say avoid stress; seriously, how? Of course there are women who by the BC criteria should have gotten it but they didn't. We just got the unlucky draw. 

    Diane 

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited June 2014

    having BC the treatments and emotional rebuilding afterwards is a stress! I had a lot of stress in the years before duagnosis  

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited June 2014

    This page has some comments.

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/understand_bc...

    Stress and anxiety. There is no clear proof that stress and anxiety can increase breast cancer risk. However, anything you can do to reduce your stress and to enhance your comfort, joy, and satisfaction can have a major effect on your quality of life. So-called “mindful measures” (such as meditation, yoga, visualization exercises, and prayer) may be valuable additions to your daily or weekly routine. Some research suggests that these practices can strengthen the immune system.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    Like the divine mrs.m, I have a bit of doubt regarding stress as a major causal factor in bc. The vast majority of us have stress by virtue of living. Families, finances, work, you name it, we all have stress. Sometimes it's worse than others, but no one goes through life unscathed. If stress were a major cause of bc, or any other cancer, we would see far more of it and far more recurrences. I can see learning not to stress over little things (traffic, lines in shops etc.) but beyond that, if something major occurs in your life, it would be hard not to become stressed. BTW, I was diagnosed during an extremely happy, stress free period in my life as was the period for several years before my dx. If we could pin it on major stress, then prevention might be futile since you can't prevent many stressful things in life from happening.

    Caryn

  • Janett2014
    Janett2014 Member Posts: 3,833
    edited June 2014

    I agree with you Caryn. I have not been experiencing any undue stress for the past few years, and I was diagnosed in January of this year. Of course there were ups and downs and some stressful moments, but overall I would classify my life as fairly low stress.

    I have a question for you that has nothing to do with this subject. I'm just curious about something in your stats. If you had a BMX in Sep. of 11, then why radiation 2 months later? I was told that after my BMX there would be no reason to do radiation because there would be nothing to radiate. I hope you aren't offended by my question, and I know that every doctor has his or her own philosophy about all this. I have learned so much on this site and want to learn more. Thank you in advance (but if you tell me to mind my own business, that's OK too!).

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    Janett2014,

    No problem asking me any question about my bc! My radiation was not to my breast, but to a 2cm met to my upper femur, however, rads after a bmx are not unheard of. I was on track for that until my bone met was found, so no rads to chest, no chemo but happy and NED almost 3 years later. Go figure!

    Caryn

  • Janett2014
    Janett2014 Member Posts: 3,833
    edited June 2014

    A few minutes after I typed the question, I noticed the part about your femur and wondered if that could be the reason for the radiation. Thanks for explaining. It's awesome that you're happy and NED 3 years later!

  • warrrior3
    warrrior3 Member Posts: 51
    edited June 2014

    I do believe believe stress was a contributing factor in my BC Dx. I found my mom, who lived with us, when she died in her bed watching TV 4 months before my Dx.  My BS told me my BC had been growing for up to 8 years before it was seen on Mammogram. In 2005 my dad became very ill and passed in 2006 when total family dysfunction took place. In my opinion living by the largest landfill in Staten Island as a child and teen also contributed. My sister who currently stage IV on hospice care and I have had this discussion numerous times. Her initial stage II Dx. Was in 2006 as dad was dying. Her first chemo treatment was supposed to be the day we buried him. Each of her progressions occurred after extremely stressful events.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    warrior3,

    I am so sorry for all of your difficulties. Stress is, clearly, not a good thing but us part and parcel of life. If stress is a contributing factor in the development of bc, how do we avoid it yet still be part of the real world?

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited June 2014


    I have also thought that stress played a part in my dx. Leading up to my dx in 10/13 I had gone thru tremendous stress in the 4-5 years prior to that. I have no idea how long the cancer had been growing in my body though, I didn't even know that was something that could be known! I'd like to ask my MO about that.

    I wonder if how one deals with the stress is more of a contribution to health issues rather than the stress itself. Everyone has stress, but if someone can manage or cope "better" may have a better chance of not having it cause health problems. Just a thought....

     

     

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    The stress factor is something I have given lots of thought to. As I previously posted I think it's important to cope with stress in a reasonable manner for the small stuff. Traffic always comes to mind since I know some very laid back people who berserk when driving. But major things, death, family crisis, divorce would be pretty tough for anyone to cope with sans stress. So, I am still having trouble figuring out how anyone could cut this "contributing factor" out of their lives or cope better during a major life event.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited June 2014

    So my question is, why breast cancer?  Why would the stress result in cancer of the breast when there are so many other types of cancer? When you know someone diagnosed with kidney cancer, pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, leukemia, lung cancer, bladder cancer, thyroid cancer or any other type of cancer, do you say to yourself, "that person was probably under a lot of stress prior to their diagnosis."  Do people with other cancers say to themselves, 'I think this developed because of the major stresses I've had to deal with in the past few years.'? Or is this theory considered more by women who are diagnosed with breast cancer?  

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited June 2014

    cancer is more likely where there is chronic inflammation, and chronic inflammation is more likely where there is stress. Stress chemicals affect endocrine systems and these affect hormone balance........which increases chance of breast cancer.  many cancers seem to occur a few years after exceptional or prolonged high levels of stress, not normal daily stress, but that also affects cortisol levels ......

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    So, if that's the case, what can we do to avoid that? Live like hermits?

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited June 2014

    So glad I ran into this thread...sometimes the thought of stress leading me to this point in my life makes me crazy!  I'm so torn as to whether it's worth spending time thinking about (but then I obsess...there has to be an explanation!). Five years before dx, I saw a massage therapist (my sister's guru), who told me my energy field was too widespread...that I needed to pull it closer as it wasn't healthy to give my energy away. In other words, I am (was) a people person who excels in doing for others. I was a school secretary & of course, helping others is the job I loved.  I got my dx (in the same area I'd found a "cyst" lump in 10 mos earlier) and retired. I had treatment & did great...even babysat 1 year old grandson. Two yrs later when 2nd grandson was 1 yr old-another diagnosis.  Mast expander moved-surgery-fell & broke elbow & ankle-surgery-carpal tunnel from broken elbow needed fix before diep flap-2 surgeries.  Then, guess what, a new grandbaby & 3rd diagnosis. Onc said cells were prob in liver but strong immune system kept control...weakened immune system from surgeries, they went bezerk.  I felt great the first 2 dx, 3rd time had felt like crap.  Now, when I feel good, I'm scared...what does that do to my immune system?  I agree that everyone's under stress...one sister & brother are in horrid shape-poor diets, no exercise, etc.  Other sister & I exercise & practice healthy life habits-cancer!  She had salivary gland-not a smoker, no drinking, no tv or microwave for heaven's sake!  Anyhoo...I had 3 aunts w/bc...2 died, one w/mets, out of 70 cousins-only me-weird.  That's when I think it's a fluke.  Should I have listened to the guru????

  • jramick
    jramick Member Posts: 88
    edited June 2014

    Hi Everyone!

    I am enjoying the discussions out here which is why I posted. I very much agree with Lily 's post.....but do also relate to exbrn's and got a kick out of your "live like hermits" post.   I know that even life's major ups and downs are just going to happen. What's interesting to me is how our physical bodies respond to them and the experiences other women have had upon being diagnosed.  Thank you for sharing everyone.

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited June 2014

    Erased a long, drawn out pity party I was throwing for myself :).  Just typing it made me take a deep breath & cleared my head.   Sorry to whoever had to wade through it :). Cheers to living each day!!!

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited June 2014

    I don't have it handy, but David Servan-Schriber's book, Anti-Cancer, A New Way Of Life, has an excellent chapter explaining the relationship between the type of "stress over which we have no control" (vs. the normal stress we all go through) and our health.

    In my situation, I firmly believe that stress played a major role in my re-dx, although there probably were metastatic cells brewing before our house flooded while we were on vacation last summer, and we came home to a $100k mess that necessitated putting everything we own in storage while our home underwent a major renovation.  I can't even begin to articulate the stress of seeing our home totally torn apart by a team of incompetent idiots who didn't recognize the value of precious collectibles (I'm an antiques dealer), especially rare books and artwork, and did as much or more damage than the water had.... then dealing with an insurance company that dragged things out for months while we lived in two hotels and then a rental home ... contractor issues and delays... and still dealing today with unpacking and storage issues.  I know it's just "stuff," and not a life -- but it was several months of being totally overwhelmed, frustrated, and out of control, and I absolutely question if I would have had a recurrence, the same way I question if I would have had my initial dx if I hadn't been on HRT for many years, although I also believe, in my case, genetics are a huge factor and can't be minimized as perhaps the primary reason HRT and a severe stress episode have so affected me.      

    My BS at UCLA once told me that bc isn't caused by one thing, but is the result of an accumulation of things.  I tend to believe that, although what that combination of things is (like genetics or stress or hormones or chemical exposure) is probably different for each of us. 

    Just the way I see it ...     Deanna

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited June 2014

    I'm following a healthy diet thanks to that book, Deanna...lost 36#s ...sometimes wonder if my extra weight after 2nd dx played a role...although onc was never concerned and I was healthy. My drs believe I have a genetic factor, that it's just not identified yet (brca -).  The genetics counselor said to bank my blood for future generations, that they keep it, basically, forever.  When new genes are identified, you just alert them to test for it...and offspring decide how to use the knowledge. Gotta do it one of these years!

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited July 2014

    Came across this link today on FB.  I haven't made time to watch the video yet (it's about an hour long), but thought I would share it here for anyone still pondering the relationship between stress and health:  http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archiv...               Deanna

  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited July 2014

    Deanna, thanks for the link. It is a very interesting site.

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