Cancer Diagnosis after Mastectomy - Treatment?
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I was posting on the LCIS boards before because that was my initial diagnosis. I went from having a tiny little LCIS node, to a larger finding on an MRI. Because the area was so large (9 cm) and the surgeon was concerned that there could be invasive cells hiding there (two biopsies showed Pleomorphic LCIS), she recommended surgery. I did a lot of research and the majority of doctors I spoke to agreed that surgery was the best option. I'm 42, by the way, and while there is no breast cancer in my family (except for my grandmother), there is a lot of cancer (brother had lymphoma, mother had melanoma, father had a lung sarcoma).
Two weeks ago, I had bilateral mastectomy. The pathology report came back with ILC. Straight-up cancer.
Crazy.
Anyway, the question I have is that now the surgeon is talking about treatment. If I removed both breasts, why would there be a need for further treatment? We don't have the full pathology report yet. All we know is that it was multifocal with the largest area of 5mm. We also know that the nodes were clear (I had a sentinel node biopsy during the surgery).
What sort of treatment should I expect? Also, if the nodes are clear, why is treatment necessary? Has anyone else ever had something like this?
Thanks-
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Lobular cancer is normally hormone positive so they will probably want you on hormone pills at least and maybe also radiotherapy in case any stray cells were left behind.......probably more likely as the cancer was multi focal, .but you won´t really know their strategy until you have a copy of your full pathology report.........remember you can choose to accept or reject any treatment you don´t feel happy about and you have the right to a second opinion, but do get your pathology report first. You have some time to decide on things, don´t rush yourself and wait until you feel the treatment plan is right for you, even if you don´t like it!
Good luck and welcome to the club no one wants to join
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If they discover lymphovascular invasion, then further treatment is indicated. If your cancer is hormone receptor positive, then hormone treatment is indicated. If they don't get good clear margins, perhaps radiation therapy. If it it high grade or triple negative, chemotherapy might be indicated. If HER-2 positive then Herceptin might be indicated (which I believe means you have to have chemo ..... ). As Lily said, until you have your full path reports, you won't know...... So hang onto your hat!
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Unfortunately, while your sentinel nodes being clear is a good indication, it is not a guarantee cancer cells have not spread, either via the vascular system or the lymphatic system (just not detected in the nodes removed). Once you have an invasive cancer, that is a risk and even those with 0 positive nodes can have a distant recurrence. Mastectomy does not affect risk of distant recurrence. This is why they employ chemo or hormonal treatments like Tamoxifen. ILC is more often ER+ than not, so hormonal treatments are common. Chemo is also recommended in other cases as previous posters pointed out. Depending on where the the ILC was, they may still wish to consider radiation even though you have had a mastectomy, such as if it was close to the chest wall or they did not get clean margins.
Once your pathology is in, they will be able to discuss with you the recommended treatments, and you can make decisions from there. Make sure to ask for your recurrence risk and how each treatment may affect that to help you make decisions.
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Hi
Sorry you had this surprise-- make sure to ask them for the oncotype test-- will give you some good information about making treatment decisions.... mostly about chemo.
I had ILC- no nodes, easy lumpectomy. My oncotype was in the gray area so I decided to have chemo. Never regretted it. Not saying you will need it or that you have to have it. There are some suggestions that chemo is not always indicated for ILC. This is why the oncotype is so important. you have to be comfortable with your data.....
best of luck let us know how we can help
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Hi, I had P(pleomorphic)ILC with extensive LCIS left in margins after lumpectomy. No LVI, all nodes negative. The tumor was 2.5 cm and I was told that this is the reason they suggested chemo and radiation. I am also currently on Tamoxifen. My surgeon questioned the chemo but the onc said it was the size of the tumor.
So many different opinions, eh?
Michelle
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I'm beginning to feel like diagnosis and treatment is more like an art than a science, Nanka! (By the way, love the dancing frog.)
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Emma, That's a good way to put it....Art is abstract.....I have learned through all of this to listen to your gut...
Things will be a little clearer once you get the pathology. Make sure to update us when you get it.
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I called today and the full pathology report just came in, but the nurse at my surgeon's office said, "The doctor will have to speak with you." Of course, the doctors were in surgery all day so I have to wait.
Nothing is more worrisome than hearing, "The doctor has to speak to you." I mean, every pathology report up until this point was delivered over the phone. The only time I had to hear it from the doctor was after the surgery when I had to go in and let the surgeon tell me that they found cancer and thank God you caught it and the sentinel node biopsy was clear.
So what could possibly be so bad here that they need the "doctor" to tell me the results?
Maybe I'm being paranoid.
But still. I have a bad feeling about this.
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I hope all is good news. I had ILC, bilateral mastectomy nothing in my sentinel node. Er+, hr+ so aromatas therapy was suggested. No radiation, and oncotype was in the grey area so no chemo either. I had a second opinion because I want to make sure I do everything possible. They also gave me the same plan. Hope they don't make you wait too long for the results the waiting game is the worst!! Good luck
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Sometimes the sentinel node appears clean when they do a quick cross section during surgery, then with time to look more thoroughly at the entire sample in the lab, cancer cells are found (micromets in my case). My doctor insisted on complete axillary dissection but nothing else was found. I chose chemo anyway, partly because I also had a separate IDC tumor.
Hope you are able to be comfortable with the treatment plan suggested. Get another opinion if you need additional perspective.
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The Dreaded Path Report: Here's how they can get it wrong!! This has been my experience in since February
First Biopsy/Mammogram/Ultrasound - Path Report - 2.5cm IDC , also suspicious shadowing... Nodes Seem Clear
2nd Biopsy/Ultrasound of Suspicious Shadowing 4cm away from first tumour - Path Report - 1 cm ILC .... Nodes Seem Clear
MX Left Breast and SNB which was CLEAR AT TIME OF SURGERY- Path Report - Tumor 1 - IDC turns to 4cm ILC, ER/PR+ HER2+ ... Tumour 2: ILC 1.6cm ER/PR+ HER- .... Sentinal Node - 1.5cm with extracapsular extension 3mm outside node... which immediately send me back to surgery two weeks later for a ALND....
Second Testing of Tumor for HER2 turns from positive to negative using the SISH test...
ALND - Path Report - 1/4 - 2mm , 1mm extracapsular extension...
As you can see, they do get it wrong, hoping this won't be your case... But I cant shake the feeling that if I knew from the start the I would have made different choices ...
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KJR1964 - That's insane! What was your doctor's response? Did they have any explanation for the different results? I mean, what did they say?? Also, did they ever recommend an MRI?
I'm so sorry that happened. I can't imagine, though I am currently on a train that seems to keep getting worse and worse. You know, the "Oh it's nothing!" to "Um, well this could be a problem" to "We got it early" to now, "Please come in we need to talk to you." It's like the gift that just keeps on giving.
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EmmaW -It is true that they don't know the whole picture until after the post surgery path report. But in my case, the news was far better than expected. I had more tumors that previous reports suggested, which doesn't surprise me with ILC. But the doctors originally thought I would be a stage IIa or IIb, possibly a III. My final stage turned out to be Ia. That wasn't even on our radar, so I was very pleased. My treatment plan included BMX and now hormone therapy w/follow up with the oncologist every six months to do blood work. That's it, except for self exams to check for local recurrence along the incision.
Good luck...don't board the train until before it gets to the platform.
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"...don't board the train until before it gets to the platform."
THAT is a great line and is now going to be my mantra! Thank you for that bit of clarity. Our minds play these crazy games with us. Or at least my mind does. That's a good point to remember. I find out everything tomorrow.
Waiting is the worst. Here's a blogpost about that: http://writingelves.com/2014/06/09/waiting-games/
Thanks, vbishop. I think I just needed to hear that.
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The biopsy report is not the final path report. Biopsy is done to determine if a finding is malignant or benign and if treatment is needed. The surgical path report is what they use to determine your treatment plan, once a malignancy is found. It's not always the same. My biopsy was grade 3 tumor, surgical was grade 2. I am not an expert, but I don't think it's that uncommon for them to differ. Good luck! Maybe your MO or BS can explain it better!
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Emma -
Glad you like my analogy. The best advice I received, and I still use it to this day, is to go with what you know (--don't board the train until it gets to the platform). So...what do you know? You have ILC, which is typically slow to grow and move elsewhere; initial tumor was small (5 mm), lymph nodes are negative, you already had the BMX. Overall, what you know is pretty good, considering what it could be.
Don't start worrying about something that may or may not apply to you (go with what you know). This stopped many unnecessary pity parties in their tracks during the early stages. In fact, it stopped a pity party cold a couple of weeks ago when I was concerned about a dimple in my breast that turned out to be nothing.
You can board the train AFTER you talk to your oncologist

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Johanne76Joined: May 2014Posts: 4
4 hours ago Johanne76 wrote:
Hi Ladies:
I initially posted this on the stage IV with the question blog. It was suggested to me that I post this in the ILC category.
I was just dxd with ILC, age 68 ER+ HR - HEU-2. Grade 1. 13mm and another 9mm ( waiting on results from the MRI biopsy done last week). I have been having indigestion after my meals with a bit if burping. I was wondering if anyone could tell me the symptoms they were having when they were dxd with stomach mets. My path report from my first biopsy shows no lymphatic invasion.
It's all so frightening and I really hate to bother you with this issue. I have tried searching the internet for clues but the info I found sounded like abdominal pain with regerutation. I mentioned it to my doctor but they discount this perhaps because I was just diagnosed. Any input would be helpful. My surgery is scheduled for June 24th but could change if there is another tumor detected by the MRI. Then it could possibly be a mastectomy.
Thank you.
Johanne
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Hi, Johanne,
The stomach symptom your describing could be caused by any reason (doesn't mean it's cancer), if you don't do test/scan you won't be able to find a clue. even the doctors need the scan/test report.
Assuming before any surgery they should give you a full body pet scan to see whether there are any mets to other parts of the body. it's also important to your treatment plan.
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