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Hi, I responded to one of the posts on this sight.  I'm 26 and my mom is 61.  She has stage 4 terminal metastatic breast cancer.  She was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2005 and had a double mastectomy.  She was cancer free until December of last year when she started having severe back pain and they did an MRI to find cancer in her back that was pushing against her spine and had cracked a vertebre, she had leisions on her brain, spots on her lungs and liver.  They tested the liver to make sure it was metastasized breast cancer and it was.  So she underwent a month of radiation.  This got rid of the place in her brain, killed the one in her back, and shrank the ones on her lungs and esophagus.  Unfortunately, the one on her liver got bigger.  The dr decided that the hormore blockers weren't working so he took her off those.  He wanted to do Herceptin but she declined it because of all the bad side effects.  She says that doing chemo would be like waving the white flag.  She thinks that alternative medicines are a better choice than the modern suggestions.  I try to support her in this but it scares me bc this is such serious cancer. I guess I just don't know what to think.  Is she going to die for sure with the exception of a miracle?  She's lost 10lbs in the last 2 weeks and has no desire for food.  She eats bc she needs the calories, but some days it's only 400-500 calories.  I feel so helpless and terrified.  I panic sometimes at the thought of losing her.  I'm getting married in October and then we plan to start a family in the year after that.  My mom was supposed to be here with me when I have my kids.  I'm just freaking out and having trouble understanding what's going on.  Is this type of cancer going to kill her soon?

Anything you can share to help me would be so appreciated.

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  • BrokenHeart
    BrokenHeart Member Posts: 241
    edited June 2010

    I cannot comment on what the future holds for your Mom as I'm no doctor, just another daughter scared about her Mother.

    I usually ask the big questions on the Stage IV forum, and I feel that would be the best place for you to ask about your Mom.  Many women in that forum have cancer in all the places your Mom does, and they are fighting it and getting quality of life. 

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8

    I am sincerely sorry for what you and your mother are going through, but she is fortunate to have a caring daughter.

    Zeana

  • dsengplute
    dsengplute Member Posts: 19
    edited July 2010

    I am so sorry to hear the magnitude of your fear in your post.  I am here in support of my BFF (49) that was diagnosed Stage IV in February and have lived through three different cancers with my Mom so I do know a little something about how you're feeling.  One of the hardest things to do as a loved one of someone with this disease is to live today with them in joy and love and service.  We can't change what's happening. We can't predict the outcome.  We can only accept and do our best to live in the moment with them.  Really live.  Laugh, celebrate, remember, share, cry, plan, hug, talk, be quiet together.  I am trying to learn how to meditate, to breathe and find a sense of calm for myself, for them.  Try not to feel the loss of your Mom now.  I know it's hard to keep your thoughts from bombarding you with what you will miss out on with her but don't let them and your fear make you miss out on what's special about today together.  

    Donna 

  • Tryingtostaypositive
    Tryingtostaypositive Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2010

    Thank you both very much.  I do need to remember that today I have her.  It's tough not to get taken over by the projection and fear, but I'm trying to do my best to live in today with her.  This cancer stuff sucks.

    Donna, I love your peace and how you're trying to learn to meditate and breathe that is the best thing we can do for them, and for ourselves.

     Thanks for your support and direction.

  • sincitydealer
    sincitydealer Member Posts: 2,712
    edited July 2010

    I agree with Zeana.  Read the stage lV discussion board.  The stage lV women can help you with a lot of your questions, so I would start reading.  My Mother has stage lV, and the women on that forum are so wonderful and caring.

    Your Mom needs chemo.  It's amazing what some of the treatments will do.  My Mother has mets to her liver and bones and just a couple of treatments shrunk them way back.  The side effects can be pretty hard, but the chemo can be just as hard on the tumors.  I hope you can guide your Mom in that direction.  She should at least try it, and if she can't take it she can stop anytime.  If she's Her+ the Herceptin could really help her.  Remind your Mom you want her around for your wedding and to see her grandchildren.  With some of the treatments out there now there's a strong possibility she could be.  I realize there's no guarantees, but you won't know unless you try.

    Good luck to you and your Mom.

    Peggy

  • NCdaughter
    NCdaughter Member Posts: 31
    edited July 2010

    All of the replies have already had good advice - to check out the Stage IV boards and to encourage your mom to fight. There are lots of women on the Stage IV boards that have overcome seemingly insurmountable obstacles and living really full lives. My mom also has Stage IV BC and I understand a lot of your fear and worries. My daughter is 15 months old now and I found out I was pregnant with her the same day we found out mom's cancer had returned. She has been a source of joy to my whole family, but especially my mom. I constantly remind myself that in life bad and good things happen at the same time and you can feel sad about the disappointments and losses while also finding time to celebrate joyful occassions. I want my mom to be there when her granddaughter graduates from high school so I understand your fears about the future. One note about treatment options, my mom has found Herceptin to be relatively free from side effects.  Of course, everyone responds differently, but it does not seem to be nearly as toxic as traditional chemotherapy and it may be a great option for your mom.

    My heart goes out to you and your mom.  I will be hoping for the best for you both.   

  • Tryingtostaypositive
    Tryingtostaypositive Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2010

    Thank you so much NCdaughter, It's so wonderful to meet women who understand what I'm going through. 

    Herceptin was an option they offered my mom, but I think she is deciding to use Taxol?  I'm not sure of the spelling.  Has anyone had any experiences with that?  I'm also going to post this on the stage IV board which has been really helpful as well.

     Thank you all for being there.

  • SandiesSoldier
    SandiesSoldier Member Posts: 20
    edited August 2010

    Hello! My mom was originally diagnosed back in 2000. After 6 months of chemo and 2 months of radiation, she was in remission. It came back in 2005 in her bones and 2 and a half years later, it spread to her liver. I have spent quite a bit of time on the stage four forum and have learned quite a bit but this is only the second time I can say to someone on this site, "I know how you feel!" I cannot imagine a world without my mom in it. I feel terrified, helpless and desperate for a miracle. 

    My mom was on taxol for a period of time. It did work for a while but eventually stopped working. She had recently started participating in a clinical trial but her platelet levels dropped and the drug company dropped her from the trial stating it was too risky. Obviously the right thing to do but she took it really hard. She is currently on a hormone treatment but extremely depressed. She has lost 40 pounds over the past 2 months and spends a majority of her time in bed. We struggle with trying to figure out if she is staying in bed because she is sick from the cancer, the treatment or the depression. I'm sure sometimes it is all 3 but my mom has always been someone to take to her bed when she is depressed. We don't know when to try to push her a little and when to back off but she is getting weaker because she doesn't eat and moves very little.  A few days ago my dad called and said that she might not want anymore chemotherapy. My world came crashing down around me. What will I do if she actually decides not to fight anymore?! She has been through so much and seeing her suffer is devastating but losing her is unbearable!

    Today she told me that she will fight until she has no quality of life. She is seeing a psychiatrist to work on her depression. She has been for a while. There is a concern as to whether or not this psychiatrist is the right one for her but at least she continues to go.

    I hope your mom does decide to use taxol and will fight the good fight. We have no choice but to really just take things one day at a time. Let's pray for our miracles and not forget that they do happen!

    Thank you for posting! 

  • DAUGHTER25
    DAUGHTER25 Member Posts: 2
    edited August 2010

    My mom was diagnosed 2 weeks ago with Invasive Ductal Carcinoma, that was a phone call I know I can never forget.  MRI initially showed stuff in lymph nodes, pancreas, liver, etc.  The surgeon called last Friday, said that the cancer had NOT spread beyond the breasts and lymph nodes and that she felt very positive.  

    Today my parents met with the oncologist and learned that it HAS actually most likely metastasized and is in her shoulder?  Today was one of the first days my parents really fell apart, mostly because we got some false good news and got our hopes up.  Surgery was originally planned for a week from now, but now they say it could be better to start chemo first.  

    I am 25, and planning a wedding for October 1st of next year.  It feels like my world has been literally flipped upside down.  I am an only child, have an amazing Dad and supportive fiance and still feel like sh** and totally alone.  I know it is important to reach out to people in my life, but they just have no idea how it feels. 

    Should we all get in to counseling?  I know people say the beginning is the worst part, but good lord I cannot imagine watching my mom suffer through chemo and the rest of this journey.  I know how selfish and immature this is but I just can't help but feel like: why MY mom, this is the kind of thing that happens to someone else.  I just don't know how to deal.

    Thanks for listening : ( 

  • BeOKmom
    BeOKmom Member Posts: 4
    edited September 2011

    It seems we are all feeling the same way, same fears, same love for our moms. I'm 27, getting married next spring. My mom was just Dx with mets to her lungs today, I believe she is stage IV, grade 2, her+. I'm having a hard time coping too, as a single child I worry so much for my mom and my dad alike in this tough time. I am scared she won't see me get married or have kids, she truly is my best friend. I was wondering about counseling too as I feel as though I am about a second away from full blown anxiety attacks on a regular basis. Any thoughts on counseling?

  • Margi1959
    Margi1959 Member Posts: 178
    edited September 2011

    Add me to the list of those with MBC Moms. 

    Mine is now in hospice but I've been blessed to have been able to spend these last nine months with her as primary caregiver.  It's a terrifying ride, to say the list. 

    My mum was first diagnosed in 1995, lumpectomy then, no further treatment.  Then again in 2003, right mastectomy.  Then, last September, she said she hurt her back moving furniture - she was 77 at the time and we all gave her shit for moving furniture.  Through a comedy of errors in our medical community, they treated her for pulled muscles, gave her physio, accupunture, ADVIL...it wasn't until we were at a chiropractor in January that he didn't like the sound of her cough, so HE finally sent her for xrays. 

    That's when we found the lung metastasis, then on to CT scan to discover all the bone mets.  I think I saw subtle changes in her as long as the summer of 2009 as she was walking different.  So, since January, we've finally got a name for the Beast and it's been a huge learning curve.  She went into a wheelchair in March.  Around Mother's Day, it metastasized to her liver.  We tried tamoxifen and chlodrinate but stopped them both in August.  That's when we saw mets to the brain. 

    I had to hospitalize her on Sept. 11 (of all days) and then a bed opened up in hospice last Wednesday for her.  Today, her breathing patterns changed to be very slow and shallow but she is still hanging in there.  I know the question I've been wanting answered all through this is "when?" - but, you know what?  There is no expiration date stamped on the bottom of our feet - it's not up to us. 

    In my case, we've been given a long glorious goodbye.  I'm an only child and she has been a single mum all my life.  I am losing my best friend, but I think I'm coming to grips with it now and I'm praying for a peaceful passage for her.  We've finally got her completely pain free. 

    The only advice I can offer is to treasure every moment you have with her.  Do jigsaw puzzles together.  Start a bird feeder.  Play crib.  Buy flowers for her.  Cook for her.  Love her.  Get her some Ensure - it comes in a lot of flavours now and it's very nutritious and easy to digest.  Let her lead in this dance and listen between the lines to what she's not telling you, be her advocate with her medical team.  Pray.  Spend as much time as you can with her.  Don't lose yourself in this journey.  Tell her you love her EVERY DAY.

     Know this - and this has helped me a LOT this year:  we are all where we are meant to be at any one given point in time.  There are some things you do just have to "let go and let God" and I know how much that sucks, trust me.  It doesn't matter how old you are (I'm turning 52 in a few days but I doubt my Mum will be here for that) - you're never ready to lose your mom.  But you do have to accept and deal with the hand life has dealt.  Dealing with it CAN be very difficult but you can do it.  All of us here are here for each other - please do reach out when you need to.  This group, more than anyone, intimiately understands what daughters are going through.  We can't cure this disease but we can always offer a safe harbour to our fellow warriors.

     Be strong for your mom - show her what a good job she's done with you.  <3

  • SarahRae2485
    SarahRae2485 Member Posts: 1
    edited June 2014

    I didn't know there were so many other women like me who are feeling this way.  We found out last month, 2 weeks before my wedding that my mother has MBC.  It is in her bones in her leg, spine, arm and ribs and skull and on her liver and lungs.  This has been the most overwhelming month to say the least, and it feels like just the beginning.  My mom had breast cancer when in 1995 and after being almost 20 years in remission, I didn't think this could happen. My mind and my heart are so confused, sad, scared, and yet hopeful.  Does anyone else feel hopeful but almost feel scared to feel that hope?  I try not to read too many things about life expectancy with this, because I see such a wide spectrum.  I've seen as little as a year to 10.  Right now, I am just trying to be there for her with anything she needs, and am thankful that I am able to do that.  But thoughts and fears (as others have stated), make me wonder how long do I really have with her?  I am 29 , the only child , and it scares me to think my mom won't be there for when I have a child of my own.  

  • susan3
    susan3 Member Posts: 3,728
    edited June 2014

    I am a mom. My first diagnosis my daughter was 10.  I put her in counseling, I knew she had to talk to someone, and I put myself in different counseling, we fared well.

    3 yrs ago it came back stage iv recurrence distant metastatic . No surgery options. Been on 5 different chemos, all diff side effects....but still living quality of life and very happy. 

    Told my hubby and my daughter, that none of us know how to do this......so everything is ok. Listen when we have emotional outbreaks, not to many comments please, don't try to join into any pity party cause no one is ever invited..lol.   and hug and love a lot. We r doing pretty well considering, and I think it is because we are so honest with each other and have no strings attached.

    My daughter got married last July and I did get to see it...

    She has married a med student...so I probably won't see any grand kids .

    I remember when my cousin got married a few years ago, his mom had died before the event. He was very emotional and sad. Gave a toast to his mom and cried. He wanted her to SEE this in the worst way.

    Since I am going through a terminal illness, I had different insight for him....I told him, and you gals too.....don't ever think for one minute, that us moms don't know and can't see what the future may look like for you. Remember we raised you and know you so well. I told him his mom did see this day. He is a great kid, she knew in her heart he would pick a lovely girl to spend his life with. She knew this in her soul. Just as I know in my soul that my daughter will be a good mom. I can even laugh about it now, cause I also know the tough times she is going to have with them...and will prob be banging the phone down cause she won't be able to call me....but rest assured, when she calms down, she will know exactly what I would say. 

    Life is tuff.....but if you embrace it, and feel it, you can find beauty even in the fire.  It bring us to our knees and humbles us. We see the important things in live...and it changes us. 

    Hugs and prayers to all of you :)

  • cheshire84
    cheshire84 Member Posts: 20
    edited June 2014

    I am 29 too and getting married and my mom was just diagnosed with breast cancer-stage 2. I am so terrified- I never believed this could happen to us-especially since she gets regular screenings. My mom is basically a huge part my life and I am so stressed. It feels good to know I'm not alone though, as sucky as it seems to write that.

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