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Homehelp Member Posts: 84

Hello Everyone,

Helping my wife get through chemo . She is due to have 4 cycles of TC

She had her first treatment Tuesday, and did fine except for the bone pain 24 hours after the Nuelesta and very tired.

So a few questions

1.Are the subsequent chemo cycles worse?

2.Are the the subsequent Nuelesta shots worse?

3.why do some people get adriamycin or not ?

4.why 4 cycles or 6 or 8 ? 

5.how long does the fatigue last ?   

Thanks in advance 

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  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited June 2014

    We are each so unique so there is no "One Size Fits All".

    1)  For me, they remained about the same throughout.

    2)  Neulasta was not bad at all.  2 hrs after injection, almost to the minute, I would go to sleep for 2 hrs.  That was all.  I only did Neulasta on A/C, not on Taxol also.  

    3)  You would have to ask her Dr why the decision on TX plan.  I did 4 DD A/C (Adriamycin and Cytoxan) neoadjuvant. Then 12 weekly Taxol adjuvant.

    4)  Again her Dr is the one who can give you input on why her TX is what it is.  I did 4 DD A/C (2 weeks apart)  neoadjuvant and then 12 weekly Taxol.

    5)  Neoadjuvant A/C did not slow me down at all.  The biggest issues were that I lost all sense of taste amd smell and appitite.  Hubby had to call me several times a day to remind me to eat 'something'  I never had any nausea - just never thought about eating - still an issue after years.  With the 12 weekly adjuvant Taxol, I was completely and utterly exhausted and existed either on the couch or in bed.  I started rads a week after last Taxol and every day I felt better.

    We are each so unique - there is no way to know exatly how anyone will react.  All BCs are not the same type or 'place' when DXd.  We each go into TX with some going in with no health issues and some with many issues.  Makes a difference with the TX plan and how our individual body handles it.

  • Holeinone
    Holeinone Member Posts: 2,478
    edited June 2014

    home help, 

    I assume the decision on how many chemo infusions to get are based on a woman's dx. Adriamycin is not given to some ladies that have heart issues. I had to get a Muga test  before I started  A/C. 

    Everyone does react different, I thought Adriamycin was legal torture. Some ladies breeze through it. Taxol was much easier for me. I had 4 dose dense ( 14 days apart ) A/C & then 4 dose dense Taxol. 

    If your wife did not have cancer in her lymph nodes, it would explain why she is only getting 4 tx. 

  • momof2doxies
    momof2doxies Member Posts: 342
    edited June 2014

    Hi there,

    So kind for you to take on this for your wife. The bone pain is probably from the taxotere rather than neulasta. I asked my MO for some pain relievers and he prescribed hydrocodone with APAP 10/500. It was common for me to "hit the wall" the day after the neulasta shot because the steroids that were given the day before treatment and the day of treatment began to wear off. After the first round I slept for 16 hrs. Everyone is different, some people have success taking Claritin the day of chemo and for a few days following to help with bone pain. Each treatment seemed to throw another curve ball that i was not expecting. During my first treatment I lost the sense of taste for salt and sugar, severe bone pain that was alleviated with pain pills, and very crazy dreams. During the 2 and 3 treatment I had the usual nausea but also a jaw pain that made it painful to eat…that was alleviated with 800mg motrin. Take the anti-nausea meds as directed and be careful not to eat restaurant or fast foods the first week. I usually felt okay after the second week of a chemo treatment. However, my hemoglobin gradually dropped throughout the treatment so fatigue is a problem. The taxotere was the culprit for most of my side effects. I was not given adriamycin because my MO told me that the most recent studies show no significant difference in long term  results. He said he has seen plenty of long range heart and bone marrow side effects from adriamycin. Therefore, I put my trust in his knowledge and went the 4 rounds of TC. I am a triple negative BC and chemo is the only treatment for that form of cancer. I am still on arimidex for the other tumor that was ER+ in 2012. This is probably TMI, so if you feel the need to ask me any questions, just sent me a PM.

    Hope your wife feels better soon. It will get better. It is just what we all have to go through to try and beat back the beast. OMG I just realized we are both from GA!!! I lived in Atlanta and Lilburn…but Athens is home now.

    Best,

    Jenifer

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2014

    Homehelp- It is so wonderful that you are doing whatever you can to help your wife.  The support, love and care that you give will go a very long way in helping get through her time in chemoland.  I am assuming that the TC regimen you are referring to is Cytoxan/Taxotere.  I had 6 rounds of Cytoxan/Taxotere and not 4.  I knew going in that I would be having 6 rather than 4.  That treatment plan was recommended and determined by a hospital tumor board comprised of my onco, my breast surgeon, pathologists, other oncos and medical staff after they had reviewed my medical history, pathology of the tumor, etc.  

    To answer your questions....

    1.  My chemo cycles seemed the same.  I did notice that I did become more fatigued and tired after the 3 rd round of chemo.  My side effects were very predicatable and consistent after the first one.  I also noticed that I had shortness of breath and a racing pulse which was attributed to the chemo and a declining red blood cell count.

    2.  I received the Neulasta shot after Round 3 because I had developed a high spiking fever/chills 10 days after my 2nd round of chemo.  I took regular 24 hour Claritin ( NOT Claritin D) for 7-8 days starting the morning that I received my afternoon shot of Neulasta.  There is an ongoing clinical trial investigating the use of Claritin to help prevent the bone pain associated with the Neulasta shot.  Muscle aches/pain and joint pain is a side effect of this chemo regimen so it is possible to have aches and pains post infusion.

    3.  As to who receives Adriamycin and who doesn't, you should talk to your wife's oncologist and ask what were the determining factors in your wife receiving the chemo regimen that she is receiving and no Adriamycin.

    4.  As for the number of rounds of chemo, again, a chat with your wife's oncologist to explain the number of rounds she is being given would be helpful.  I knew I would be having 6 rounds because of my medical case/pathology.

    5.  As for the fatigue, each person is different.  Eating well through cancer treatment is important as well as resting and exercising.  The fatigue can be caused the the declining red blood cell count and possible anemia.  My red blood cell count declined during my 6 rounds but not to the point to require a blood transfusion or to take any kind of iron supplements.  Instead, my onco told me to eat more iron enriched foods since I'm not one for taking supplements or vitamins.    During my time in chemoland, I had two cook books that helped because they had recipes but also helpful tips to handle certain side effects.  These two books are "Eating Well Through Cancer" by Holly Clegg and Gerald Miletello , MD and "The Cancer-Fighting Kitchen" by Rebecca Katz.  FYI:  I kept a daily food diary and daily drug diary so I could keep track of what I ate and when I ate and also to help remind me to eat and take my anti-nausea drugs regularly.  Make sure that your wife drinks plenty of fluids the day before the chemo round ( to help the veins be ready and plump for the the infusion) and to help flush the chemo through.  

    Wishing both of you the best. 

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