Any crossfitters or weightlifters out there?

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Basia
Basia Member Posts: 790
edited July 2014 in Working on Your Fitness

I've been a cross fitter on and off for about 4 years, its actually thru CF that I found both of my cancers.  By no means am I a competitive athlete, but I have fun with it.  I also am into olympic weightlifting, been doing that on and off for about 15 years…I love olympic lifting.  Was wondering if anyone continues to workout while in treatment.  The first time around I wasn't able to because I just didn't have the energy and the port was placed in such a horrible way I had a very limited range of motion.

Anyway, it would be nice to connect to others that are into the same things :)

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  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited May 2014

    Sounds like you had a great exercise program before dx and there's no reason you can't start to work back to it.  However, if you've had any nodes removed at all, even just a SNB, you're at an increased risk for lymphedema (LE).  That's not to say that you can't eventually get back to your old workout routine, but you're going to have to start small with ridiculously light weights and work up SLOWLY!  

    The Step Up Speak Out website about lymphedema has some excellent brochures on developing a safe exercise program after breast cancer.  

    This first link goes to handout is for patients - it gives you excellent information about LE, how to develop a safe workout program, and what to look for: 

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Handout%20doc%20for...

    This second link below if for a brochure you can dowload and give to your CrossFit trainer, your weight lifting trainer, or any other fitness trainer or instructor.  It gives them essential information about breast cancer, lymphedema, and exercise and will help them develop a save program for you: 

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Trainer%20doc%20for...

    Also, if you're still in active treatment, do whatever exercise you can, but listen to your body.  You may have gotten in the habit of pushing through pain and fatigue, but while you're in active treatment, you need to listen to your body and do less if you have to.  

    Finally, check out the Let's Post Our Daily Exercise thread.  There are women who are in all different phases of treatment - some are still in active treatment, and some are years out.  Some run, some walk, some do yoga, some do weights, etc. - everyone does something different, but we all do our best to maintain a regular exercise program and give each other support and encouragement. C'mon over for fun and support! 

  • Basia
    Basia Member Posts: 790
    edited May 2014

    Thanks for all the links ! 

    I've been in multiple weightlifting competitions since my BMX in 2010. I don't lift anywhere near as heavy as what I used to do, but I still get out there. Refuse to let BC change every aspect of my life. somethings are still in my control and working out is one of them.  But the first time around I just didn't have the head for doing anything, this time around I need to continue working out and pushing myself.  I find it therapeutic.  LE isn't a major concern for me, there was only one lymph node removed this time, last time I had several and was able to slowly build back up to lifting.  

    I need to start thinking about things like yoga.

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited June 2014

    Great - sounds like you're aware of precautions to take.  Working out is definitely something that we don't have to give up after b/c, but I always try to alert people about LE just to make sure they're aware.  Unfortunately no one on my medical team ever gave me any education or information about LE.  After my surgeries I was so determined not to let b/c change my life that I jumped right back into my exercise program, including weights, and didn't take the time to ramp up slowly. (Just regular fitness weights - nothing like your level!)   I now have arm and truncal LE and will have it the rest of my life. Maybe I would have gotten it anyway, but maybe if I'd been given proper info about LE I might have taken things more slowly and avoided getting it.  I just wish I'd been given that opportunity.  I still work out (including weights) but I've had to take it much more slowly when increasing reps and weight so as not to trigger a LE flare.  I always try to do everything I can to educate others to avoid my mistakes!  

    I do a lot of yoga, and lately have gotten into yin yoga - it's a slow joint support yoga where you hold the poses for 3-5 minutes each to really open up the joints.  I do a lot of running, so I find it's a perfect complement to that.

    Good luck and congrats on being a 2 time survivor.  Hopefully some Cross Fit people or others who have done weights at your advanced level will chime in and share their experiences.   

  • Basia
    Basia Member Posts: 790
    edited June 2014

    thanks for the info! My dr told me nothing about LE the first time around. I just happen to know enough on my own from prior injuries to not push too hard In The beginning. Most people think you can pick up where you left off but that is not the case with any injury, illness or surgery.  Doctors need to inform their patients on what and how to build up.

    I've did yin yoga many years ago as PT it was great to open up the joints and gradually get back to a good range of motion .  If you want some good info on regaining motion, I love MWOD.com. The guy who runs it is a crossfitting PT and he shows how to do muscle manipulation on your own, he is fantastic. Really bummed because I was signed up for a seminar w him this weekend but has to cancel because of all this chemo stuff getting in the way :)

  • mz_mes
    mz_mes Member Posts: 66
    edited June 2014

    I love weights but have backed down a lot since DX.  I did lift 2-3 x a week and mixed in running/swimming/biking on other days too.  I did lots of different free weights as well as some machines. I love weights for keeping trim. Never did any competitions. That's awesome!   Since DX I worked with PT and got some great exercises to ease back into my prior routine. I won't ever get back to my prior level but I'm ok with that.   I can't manage kettle balls anymore as PT said not to be swinging the weights but moving slowly and controlled is ok.   I don't do heavy hand weights anymore but can manage light hand weights (5-20 lbs) and  bars (20-30 lbs).       PT actually said not to lift up over my head any more -- so i haven't pushed that either.   Said this is to watch out for LE.

    Join us on the thread called:

    Let's Post Our Daily Exercise

    There are lots of women who are lifting and doing other things as well.

  • Basia
    Basia Member Posts: 790
    edited June 2014

    thanks MZ Mex, I wouldn't write off kettle bells at this time.  Your surgery is relatively fresh, so you should wait a while, but I don't see why your PT would say they are out.  What kind of exercises were you doing with KB? KB swings are a great all over workout and the benefit they give within a few minutes daily is amazing.  I plan on doing Kbs daily while in treatment, its one of the few things that the port won't bother too much. 

    Have you gone for massage therapy to break up the scar tissue? I was seeing a chiropractor that specializes in Active Release and GuaSha.  He helped loosen up all the scar tissue freeing everything up to regain 95% of my range of motion.  I am not a medical professional, but I know my body better than anyone else does, and if it doesn't feel "wrong" I do it.  All the professionals are afraid of LE so they tell you to not do this or that, listen to your body.  

    I had a mini lumpectomy, yes that is the official term my surgeon used about 2 weeks ago and I am already back at the gym. I just know not to attempt pull-ups or hanging from the bars yet.  Hanging pulls on the stitches. I figure I should do as much as I can now while I have energy.  

    I will check out the daily exercise thread :)

  • mz_mes
    mz_mes Member Posts: 66
    edited June 2014

    Isn't it crazy how awful the medical advice can be towards exercise and weight training specifically?   My PCP told me not to do anything after surgery especially not weights and to plan to take up walking.   He is a big athlete himself and survived major emergency heart surgery and is now back to his old routine but with my SNB he was scared about LE and said the nerve pain may last 6 mos to a year.   I couldn't believe what he was telling me.  It sounded so stupid.   I immediately asked for PT and as soon as BS said ok jumped back into my workouts but with modifications per the PT.      I really couldn't believe what I was hearing ---- studies show weight training after BS and SNB is beneficial.  Nerve pain was pretty bad for few weeks but PT helped a lot.  I'll bet the nerve pain would have lasted 6 mos to a year if all I was doing was walking.   Haven't done any massage therapy aside from what PT did and that was great.    Obviously we have to use common sense so we don't injure ourselves when we are healing.  After 6 weeks of PT,  I made sure to call my PCP and tell him how great I'm feeling and how helpful the PT was in resuming my weight training so his other patients don't get the same stupid advice to do nothing except walk.  If I wasn't an athlete before DX ok then walking would be a good idea.  But I was in good shape, accustomed to weight training 2-3x a week, running, biking, swimming on other days.  My BS, RO and Onco all said weights were fine but I had to take baby steps after SNB.   They both said to do PT, start moves with no weights and add in weight in tiny increments and listen to my body.   RO was very supportive of lots of varied exercise and urged me to continue with weights and not to worry about LE so much as I was fit.  RO said don't worry about what PCP said  about not doing weights as women who do weights fair better with Rads and AIs and have less pain overall -- in his experience.  Since I haven't had chemo got no advice on it.  Totally agree that we know our bodies best.   I miss doing KBs -- was doing swings and side lifts.  Arms don't feel strong enough to resume this just yet.  I've taken up exercise bands, yoga and pilates too and do this in the evening (do weights and cardio during the day) and find I sleep beautifully afterwards.  Nerve pain is gone,   range of motion is almost 100% but still going really easy  with over head weights.    Medical advice is just that advice and I figure some of it applies to me but I know best what I need.   

    Good for you for resuming your routine so quickly.   A mini lumpectomy - sounds like you are well into your recovery!   Sounds like you are on the right track with your training.  Hoping it does provide you with inner reserve of strength to preserve thru what is to come.

  • Basia
    Basia Member Posts: 790
    edited June 2014

    MZ, you sound like you have yourself together, that is awesome. Can't tell you how many woman I know fell into the, "but I walk" trap, and think that is enough exercise to get them on the road to recovery quickly.  I saw my PCP yesterday for a EKG, he laughed at me when he saw me in my gym clothes and asked what I did in the gym.  When I told him, he laughed and shook his head, he knows I won't listen to him about taking it too easy. LOL.  My oncologist was so happy when I started weightlifting again, he told everyone in his office about me, kind of to get them moving more, he even went to an intro class at a cross fit gym just so he could see what I do. When I saw him after that he told me to continue with whatever I feel comfortable doing. He said he couldn't keep up, lol. 

    I guess we have to control the little things that are in our control during this time.  Bad enough I can't do anything about my hair or nails, or the water weight that will come with all this crap, but I'll be damned if I turn into a couch potato because of this.  :)

  • mz_mes
    mz_mes Member Posts: 66
    edited June 2014

    Love your attitude Basia.  You inspired me to add the Kettle Balls back into my circuit training!   Just did 2 reps of 30 two-handed swings with 4kgs for now.  Felt great!    Don't know if I'll regain my prior strength but going to try by consistently working and adding weight in very small increments.   I was afraid to try KBs after the PT said no more but I"m glad you suggested I try again that because I missed doing KB swings!

  • Basia
    Basia Member Posts: 790
    edited June 2014

    I'm so glad you tried the KBS! Start slow and see how it goes.  You will be back to your "normal" self before you know it.  KBS really have nothing to do with your arms, so I don't understand why the PT would have been against it, it is all in the hips.  The quicker your hips open, they higher the KB swings up on its own.  It is the same load on your arms as if you were putting away dinner plates into an above cabinet, did he tell you to stop doing that too? LOL .gotta love some of these PT's. 

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited June 2014

    You guys are amazing! I was going to suggest to do KBS with 1 Kilo free weights just for starters to get the range of motion without so much weight. The studies do show progressive weight training to be beneficial in preventing LE. It's when your muscles have to do something they're not conditioned for that problems arise. But obviously your muscles are in better condition than mine were. I did ask my onc while I was on chemo if I could lift weights and he said I could do anything. It was just a theoretical question on my part as I had never lifted weights in my life but I thought his answer was interesting. I researched on my own and found some protocols for weight training after breast cancer surgery.

    Since I'm on here I might as well do some upper body work which gets neglected after Zumba and other dance routines (as well as hiking and biking)....So to be truly cross-fit I just did 2 sets of 30 two-handed swings with 2.5 kgs in each hand, 30 bicep curls, 30 round the world swings with 5 kgs and 30 halos with 5 kgs. I guess some of these don't involve the hips so I can see where one might have to be cautious.

    Best of luck to you both!

  • Basia
    Basia Member Posts: 790
    edited June 2014

    Hi ladies, went back to cross fit this morning! Actually made it there last week one day, but I took it really easy last week (had treatment on monday went on wed). Today I worked hard.  I am soooo sore! I told my coach I will be working at 50% during treatment, so that if he sees me going too hard at something he can come over and tell me to stop.  So today's workout was "Karen" which is 150 wall balls with a 14 pound med ball.  I used the 10 pound ball and only did 75.  Feels great to be sore from this instead of chemo :)

  • SAMYsMom
    SAMYsMom Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2014

    Basia - You are awesome! "Karen" stinks - can't believe you did 75 @10lbs - way to kick butt! I am a 12-yr survivor who has had an exchange surgery, a hysterectomy, and random other surgeries in the past 2 years while still doing CF (taking breaks as necessary). My favorite thing about CF is the community. During Barbells for Boobs in October, I met Kim, who was going through treatment and still participated. The resilience of some women never ceases to amaze me. Again, way to go!!

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  • Basia
    Basia Member Posts: 790
    edited June 2014

    The community in CF is amazing! I love it.  When I was going thru this the first time around, I met Zionna during barbells for boobs, what a great person! 

  • Sharlo
    Sharlo Member Posts: 8
    edited July 2014

    hello ladies you all are so inspirational!  I need help on where to start!  

    My implants are just three months old (I blew a hole in my TE from speed walking!!! So had to have my implant surgery moved up a month...then I had frozen shoulder (now thawing went to PT for two months) it's still not great- I'm at about 85% with my left shoulder.   I still don't have much feeling in the back if my left arm (triceps) area either-  you can see a difference between my two arms.  Left really flabby right not too bad.  I'm dying to hit the weights but Im so afraid I'm going to blow a hole in my FOOBS!  I realize I will need to start out slowly but would any if you have some suggestions?   I've looked for books out there for post recon exercises/ weight lifting and there isn't much. 

    Do you guys do chest and back muscle work outs too? I can make my FOOBS dance one at a time by flexing- is that normal?  It feels so weird doing different things- (like circular motion things) do you all get over that feeling?  I'm so worried I'm gonna mess up my implants like I did with my TEs (they are pretty big.  I'm a 32 DD bra size -ps I was going for my original size.  I didn't go up, stayed the same.  Just took a lot of fills!!!). Thanks for your input.  I'm getting bored of walking 5 miles a day.  And I'm getting flabbier by the day and I hate it!

  • Basia
    Basia Member Posts: 790
    edited July 2014

    I started weightlifting after I was done w chemo which would have been about 6 months after BMX. I started slowly, just using the PVC pipe and building up to higher weights. There is no rush in going up w weights. I would suggest gaining a full range of motion with little weights before getting hurt. A good website for me was, mwod.com.  Love how he explains everything. I also did active release w a chiropractor to loosen up all the scar tissue. 

    Back and chest muscles still gave me a bit of an issue even after 4 years, but they were getting better and stronger, until of course this damn recurrence. I am focusing on met on workouts and lower body right now, allowing my chest time to heal from the last surgery.

    Hope that was helpful, ask any questions you have, I will try to answer

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