Diagnosed on Wednesday and very very scared!

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  • Funclassygal
    Funclassygal Member Posts: 105
    edited June 2014

    I read about all those drugs they give you for Chemo - steriods, nausea pills, etc.  What are the steriods for and do you have to take them?  Thanks, VeraAnn

  • MomMom
    MomMom Member Posts: 523
    edited June 2014

    Funclassygal, You can do this, we all can.  Everyone's experiences vary widely.  As someon else posted, I felt blah on AC and had a few SEs after it was finished, but I managed to drag myself to the gym every day on AC and was never nauseated.  The most troubling SE was loosing my taste buds and having to think hard about what might taste good to eat.  I lost 6 pounds and didn't need to, but I've gained a few back on Taxol.  Taxol is much more tolerable for most.  There are things you can do proactively to try and prevent loss of nails and neuropathy (icing, Biotin) while on Taxol.  I'm sure that all of us were scared beginning chemo.  Who wouldn't be with all the negative connotations we've been exposed to in movies, book, etc.  It is extremely difficult for some; some are lucky like me.  We may have limited control over how our bodies react, but we DO have control over our attitude toward it.  I personally had two friends who went through ACT - one 12 years previous & one 17 years previous (both cancer free now!), who did not have a terrible experience with chemo.  I held on tight to their experiences and told them both they were my angels. 

    Hang in there & good luck!!

  • Marie715
    Marie715 Member Posts: 46
    edited June 2014


    FunclassygaIl, I'm glad you posted.  It gives me the chance to post to you and others starting this journey that I found chemo to be very doable and did not suffer bad side effects.  I remember reading posts from women who had terrible side effects with round 2 (or maybe it was round 3).  I was so scared.  But then for me, that round was no different than the other rounds.  I had wasted my time worring about it.  I know that it is easy to say in hindsight.  My advice is to carry all of the "no problems with chemo" posts with you in your mind and expect  the same for you.

    You asked what the steriods are for.  I believe they are anti-nausea.  Yes, you must take all of the pills that are prescribed and you should take them at the same time each day.  For me, most of the time on chemo I felt like I had morning sickness.  I wasn't really sick but I also didn't feel really well. 

    Best of luck to you.  You can't imagine how much you will learn as you go through this journey and how many wonderful people you will meet.  

  • vbishop
    vbishop Member Posts: 616
    edited June 2014

    Funclassygal -

    Sorry you had to join our every-increasing club.  It seems more and more women are diagnosed everyday...but that's a topic for another day.

    You have received great advice and information from several ladies here, so I won't repeat anything.  However, the best advice I received came from my friend Debbie.  She told me "don't borrow trouble; go with what you know".  I cannot tell you how many pity parties were stopped from this one bit of advice.  Don't read too much on the internet or even here on the boards and apply it to you...because nine times out of ten it doesn't apply to you at all.  Every case is different:  cancer type, cancer grade, tumor size, family history, etc.  So much goes into a cancer diagnosis and its treatment.  For now...go with what you know.

    Example:  After surgery, I felt a lump at my lymph node biopsy site and started freaking out.  Deep breath...go with what you know:  lymph node biopsy was negative, cancer is slow growing, odds of recurrence are very low.  No pity party, but had it checked out (you will learn as a cancer patient, you have lots of things checked out that pre cancer you wouldn't think twice about).  It was just a pocket of fluid encapsulated by scar tissue.  I am not going to lie and say I didn't have a couple of anxious moments, but I didn't let my mind go to dark places that could be debilitating.

    Hang in there - the first few weeks are the hardest with all the dr. appts, test, decisions, etc.  But once a treatment plan is in place, things get easier.

    Hugs!

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited June 2014

    Funclassygal - no chemo was really pushed hard for me, both oncologists I consulted as well as the breast surgeon pushed chemo very hard for me but the benefit was only 8 to 13% whilst the significantly higher risk of serious life changing side effects for me, combined with my intuition and the fact I cannot tolerate most drugs used to alleviate side effects of chemo (like anti nausea medications) meant I decided not to do chemo. I took weeks to make my decision as I had surgery first but I know without any doubt I made the right decision for me. 

    What no one tells you is that chemo cannot kill cancer stem cells and it is these that create all metastases.............what chemo does is kill all cells in your body, healthy and cancer ones but not the stem cells.   That is why there are hormone treatments and Herceptin over long periods of time, that changed survivabiloity. There are also proven natural compounds that help (like sulfurophanes from broccoli, turmeric, arteminisin,  etc) prevent stem cells from getting their own blood supply as well as boosting your own immune function.  

    We have more power over cancer than we believe - go to Youtube and look at the very powerful  video of our own immune cells killing cervical cancer cells, we do this to all types of cancer cells if we have the resources to do so, and often a mixture of conventional and naturopathic treatment  provide us with the strongest resources. 

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited June 2014

    Lily - I am glad that your decisions are working for you.  Not all types of BC are the same, nor are we.  Not all can have surgery before neoadjuvant chemo. Or have weeks to decide to do something.

    Again, I will say that what you did is working for you  BUT it isn*t what will work for all.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited June 2014

    I dont think I said it would work for everyone anywhere on this board!!!  

    But I do strongly believe that oncologists should explain about cancer stem cells as so many people have chemo believing it will kill all cancer and this is not true

  • placid44
    placid44 Member Posts: 497
    edited June 2014

    Chemo can cure some women, when combined with surgery and sometimes radiation. Women with fast dividing cells, like mine, often respond very well to chemo. Not always, but certainly there are many women for whom distant metastasis does not occur.

  • Redheaded1
    Redheaded1 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited June 2014

    I thought the whole point of the discussion boards was to allow us to share our experiences and encourage one another---And not put disclaimers on the bottom of our posts.

     

  • Funclassygal
    Funclassygal Member Posts: 105
    edited June 2014

    Thank you for this!  VeraAnn

  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited June 2014

    Funclassygal - you will make the right decision for you and your specific situation. There is a wealth on information on these boards.  It has been a lifeline for me.   I agree with Lily55 in that cancer stem cells aren't explained enough.  I asked after the fact but it didn't change my mind about receiving neoadjuvant chemo.  


  • Funclassygal
    Funclassygal Member Posts: 105
    edited June 2014

    Hi Lily, this is also how I have always felt about this - so I do agree with you.  Thank you for sharing your opinion with me.  I know some ladies will agree and disagree but we all know ourselves the best and I feel that since I am the same way as you with drugs - this is going to be a bit problem for me.  Thanks, VeraAnn

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited June 2014

    Readheaded - We are here to support and give our experiences.  However, stating "It takes 2 - 3 weeks after you finish for everything to heal/fade, etc." is not fact for all.  It may have taken you 2 - 3 weeks to heal but that is not what all experience.  You did not say that was your experience but rather it takes 2 -  3 weeks to heal. If it took YOU that long to heal then you should have said tnat - I stated how long it took me to heal.  Did not state "takes more than 3 months to heal".

    We are each who we are and there is no way that anyone else can tell someone else what they will experience.  Giving our experiences is what we can do - telling someone our experiences IS what we should do but not say what will happen.  Our experiences are that - our experiences which no one else may ever experience.

    Some do not burn, some do burn and heal quickly ('2 - 3 weeks') and some of  us take a lot longer to heal.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited June 2014

    placid is correct that chemo is effective and can be a lifesaver for the fast growing cells, but it is not a cure. In Spain they never use the words cure or in remission. Ever! 

    Cancer is a very disempowering disease but get to understand it and you can see it also has its weaknesses! Cancer treatment is also very disempowering, I think it helps us to embrace whatever approach we take and to work WITH our bodies and thoughts and feelings

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited June 2014

    Just as every one of us has a slightly different form of this beast of a cancer, we each have a different response and outcome to treatment.  For example, I had 35 radiation treatments - every day for 7 weeks - and never once had any breakdown in my skin.  Not even a small burn.  My radiation oncologist said she'd only ever seen that a handful of times before - but it IS possible to get through rads without horrible SEs (granted, my nipple did turn dark brown/almost black about a month later and then peel for a couple of months - but that was the extent of anything visible.  My breast does now feel lumpy, as radiation will tighten/shrink muscle and areas, but in general Lucy looks and feels fairly "normal").

    Some of us choose conventional treatments, some alternatives, and some a combination of both.  Not enough can be said about the benefits of exercise and diet - fat stores estrogen so we want to be as fat-free as possible (when possible).  Steroids are given during chemo to help combat SEs, reduce inflammation, and prevent reactions to the meds - but they can also cause weight gain.  I had AC/T and participated in a clinical trial that randomized me into dose-dense treatment - once every two weeks, even with Taxol, instead of the oft-given every three weeks.  AC made me feel like I had a case of the flu (and goodness, my taste buds and sense of smell were awful!), and I was very tired.  No nausea whatsoever, but I did have meds in case I needed them.  Taxol was tougher on me; my bones and joints hurt alot, and two years PFC i still have mild neuropathy in my feet and hands.  

    I tried Tamoxifen (twice) and Aromasin (once) and gave up on them because I had such horrible SEs.  That was a personal choice not necessarily supported by my oncologist, but I am very aware of the risks.  

    I thought I would get through treatment and go "back to normal" as it was before dx - but that hasn't really happened.  My body is a little stiffer and slower, and some parts hurt a little more - but in general, I actually feel *better* than before.  I work out more frequently to keep my weight down; I run and do yoga (did both during every phase of my treatment, in fact) and am feeling better every day.  Treatment is a process; it takes a while to get through it, but it's do-able and manageable, albeit not a lot of fun.

    Good luck to you as you start this journey.  My hope for you is empowerment, education, and making decisions that are best for YOU.  Take care and let us know how you're doing.

    Nancy

  • Funclassygal
    Funclassygal Member Posts: 105
    edited June 2014

    Thank you Nancy, I appreciate your knowledge and sharing your experience with me.  VeraAnn

  • Funclassygal
    Funclassygal Member Posts: 105
    edited June 2014

    Going to see a surgeon today.  If anyone would have told me I would be doing this today - I would never believe it.  Overwhelmed, scared, but trying to hold it together.  At what point does the shock wear off?

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited June 2014

    hi VeraAnn- hugs to you and hope your appointment goes well.

    I'm not sure the shock has every really worn off for me - "what, I have/had breast cancer?"  Still somewhat shocking.  But I've come to acknowledge it.  And now, when little things like pain or lumps pop up I an again reminded of my history and the shock of what was - and what might be - comes flooding back.  Eventually, we all find our equilibrium with our disease - it's different for each of us.  Wishing you peace in this chaotic time!

  • Funclassygal
    Funclassygal Member Posts: 105
    edited June 2014

    Hi Nancy, I think that is great that you worked out during your treatments.  I sure hope the same happens to me.  In reference to those 2 pills what were your side effects if you don't mind sharing.  It went very well yesterday.  I went to see a surgeon that was highly referred to me and he was great.  He is the only one I would use.  So, this is one thing that is done.  Tuesday I go see the oncologist.  To say I had a headache like never before is putting it lightly.  I still have it today - guess it is all the stress and fear.  Hoping to do as well as all of you ladies have done.  Thank you all for the support!  VeraAnn

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited June 2014

    I was recently diagnosed as well and the news was terrifying to say the least.  I am fortunate to live across the river from MSK.  My appointment was made the day I was dx'd.  It's hard to believe, but once you have a plan in place, you will feel better.  The doctor at my pre-screening prescribed me Xanax.  Since I'm not one to take pills, I took 1/2 in the a.m and 1/2 at night.  My last 1/2 pill was the morning of my lumpectomy. I haven't needed it since.  I am a little nervous about the start of my treatment on Monday, but I will get through it.  This site has plenty of us ladies that will be here for you as you move along this journey.  What worked for me is reading and researching as much as I can from reputable resources e.g. cancer.org, cancer.gov etc.  Bring a pad with you to your doctor and take notes.  I made a binder to put my reports in, as one of the supporters suggested and it works for me.  If you go to MSK, you can download your lab and radiology results etc., confirm appointments etc. on mymskcc.com.  You should check out the other forums on this site as well to be more specific to your situation.

    Best of luck to you.

    Mary 

  • Funclassygal
    Funclassygal Member Posts: 105
    edited June 2014

    Hi Mary, Good Luck to you - I believe you start treatment tomorrow?  Let us know how you are doing.  Thanks, VeraAnn

  • Funclassygal
    Funclassygal Member Posts: 105
    edited June 2014

    Well the surgeon is great - very highly recommended here in New York so I am going to go with him.  Now Tuesday is the oncologist - my very worst fear!  One good thing is that I am Her2 negative. Scary thing is that this cancer would never have been seen on a mamo and I was never offered an ultrasound until now.  I have been with NYU Langone since I started going for mamo's and I am very surprised at them now that I read the reports that I never was given before.  There was certainly something going on in the left breast for a while and they should have given me further testing.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited June 2014


    I remember going to the MO's office for the first time and that was when it really hit me that I have cancer!! I'm slow to process though, I'm usually just one to go thru the steps and the the feelings hit me later. It helped me to write down questions and take them with me when seeing all these docs. It is overwhelming and hard to remember everything that is being said. I don't know if I'd say things get easier....I think we just adapt to what is happening and our coping skills kick in at some point.

    Glad you found a surgeon you are comfortable with ((hugs))

  • Funclassygal
    Funclassygal Member Posts: 105
    edited June 2014

    Having a bad day -- the tears won't quit!  MRI tomorrow - petscan on Tuesday - afraid of these tests as well.  I have gone from A to Z - A being so healthy and living life to the fullest.  I feel like a pin cushion now.  I know this is a bad day and this to shall pass and I am sure many of you ladies have experienced these emotions.  Meeting with the Oncologist's nurse next Wed for the start date.  So scared of Chemo.  Thanks for listening ladies!  VeraAnn

  • Redheaded1
    Redheaded1 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited June 2014


    Funclassy---before you were told anything was wrong, didn't you feel great? You sound a lot like me, and the  fears and tears do get ahold of you, but listen, the tears are good ways to cleanse yourself of stress. Just let them out and know that tomorrow is another day.    The fears, now that we both  need to conquer. What helped me was to think about the things that I had feared and crossed off my list as being behind me.  None of what I feared was as bad as I thought it would be.  My hope is that you will feel the same way as each milestone is reached.   I did not have an MRI or a Pet scan--although I have had the MRI, three times for another medical issue and I had them give me a little Xanax or Ativan to relax me.  It is noisy and my best advice is to close your eyes before they slide you in and don't open them up until they pull you out.  They can talk to you while they do it.  They even told me I could bring a CD and they would play it for me to listen to in the machine, however, when they started it is sounded loud and I had them turn it down, then when the noise started, it was too low.   I didn't ask them to turn it up.  A friend went with me wearing nothing metal, and they let him stand there and hold onto my ankle while I was getting mine.  Strangely enough, it helped.

    I am sending you my guardian angel to keep yours company tomorrow.  Sometimes, she gives you a warm tingle when she arrives and leaves.  She'll stay until she's no longer needed, and she can find her way home to me just fine.  On one of the other threads I follow, everyone says they will be in your pockets, having a party----I'm a little to clausterphobic to be there.  LOL.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited June 2014

    redhead - I love your posts. Tomorrow is another day Scarlett..it's amazing that that phrase is so appropriate now. I am also claustrophobic big time. Prayers yes- pockets no. I've had 1 MRI and it was brutal. They talked to me at first and then stopped. I went off when I got out. They knew. Should have taken Xanax or something. 

    tangandchris - me 2. Went through the process in a fog. Didn't fall apart until I got the Oncotype test results which were good thankfully. 

    VeraAnn - didn't have chemo but a lot of these ladies have. I'm sure isn't fun but those ladies can give you some tips. Good luck!

    Diane 

  • Funclassygal
    Funclassygal Member Posts: 105
    edited June 2014

    Redhead and Diane, thank you for your experiences.  I probably should take a little something or I will make a complete fool of myself.  Too much anxiety with all of this!  So afraid of what these tests will show as well.

  • Monis
    Monis Member Posts: 472
    edited June 2014

    Funclassy - Your post about having a bad day reminded me of this:

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    Grumpy Cat always makes me smile.  Hope you're hanging in there.  

  • bettysgirl
    bettysgirl Member Posts: 938
    edited June 2014

    funclassygal-I know this is an amazingly stressful time. I found that the initial time between dx and treatment/surgery began to be the most stressful time of the whole thing. Waiting on results, anticipating outcomes, reading too much...I did have MRI and PET prior to surgery so i know what you are talking about when you say you feel like a pin cushion. Hang in there. You will find your strength. You have to allow yourself to walk through the emotions, have a grumpy cat kind of day and them move on to the next hurdle. I am glad to see that you are here. You will get great advice here from oldies and newbies alike.  I found chemo to be quite doable and never got sick and worked throughout the process. That doesn't mean there were not tough days, but you seem to be able to move forward and go on to the next hurdle. I had read all about the side effects of chemo and was also terrified. I guess i had made is seem so horrible that is wasn't as bad a i anticipated. rads were not too bad for me either. I had no fatigue, went everyday at 4 and did not have a breakdown of skin until the last two weeks. I found a great chemo group here on BCO and we have been close ever since. I do not come here as often as i used to but i pop in from time to time. Know that you are on our hearts and minds and in our prayers. You will sail through this and have a story to share. I wish you all the best in the road that is ahead for you.

    Love and hugs

  • ktfelder
    ktfelder Member Posts: 45
    edited June 2014

    Funclassy--I had no family history and the diagnosis took me completely by surprise. In fact, I have a family history of benign lumps, so I was sure this one was benign too - until they called and told me otherwise. I then felt like my world had crashed in on me. Each step was terrifying -- the MRI, the additional suspicious areas, the additional biopsies, the surgery, the spread to lymph nodes, the fear of chemotherapy (which I ended up not needing). There were lots of tears (and Xanax the night before anything new and scary).

    I just finished my 8th radiation treatment, which will be followed by hormone therapy. I cannot tell you how much better it feels once you know what your treatment path will be! I have settled into the routine of daily radiation. (I just told my husband this evening how strange it is to have a daily routine that includes going to a cancer center, changing into a robe, laying on a table and being zapped with radiation--but it is my new normal.) Several women on this site told me that things would be better when I knew what all the next steps were, and they were so right! After my second day of radiation, I felt so much better. Because I know my course of treatment and there are no big surprises in my near future.

    Also, my doctor's office told me to go to this site if I was going to do internet research, and to avoid other websites. That too, was great advice.

    And, there is the possibility that you won't need chemotherapy. Be sure to ask the oncologist about oncotype testing and whether it is an option for you. In some cases, it can indicate that chemo is unnecessary. 

    Good luck and hang in there. We have all been where you are, and know that it is pure hell.

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