treatment decsion after Oncotype score of 29?
I have gotten an oncotype dx score of 29. i had small tumor, invvasive ductal carcinoma .07. grade 2. Nothing in the nodes. 2nd surgery to clean a small margin. NOt sure I want to do chemotherapy, but the 29 score? pproaching 5-6 weeks out from surgery and need to decide - need to start radiation if not doing chemo. More information from Dxtools on genomic education show only a 9% range of it coming back as opposed to 10 % from the 29 score.
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Jennifer -what does your ONC advise? 29 is the high end of an intermediate score so I am surprised chemo is not a slam dunk truthfully. I had a score of 11 and my recurrence rate is 8% so the 9-10% is confusing too. I had Stage II Grade 1 IDC. My tumor was deemed to be non-aggressive. I had a lumpectomy and 33 RADS treatments. Since my score was low my ONC recommended radiation. We both have IDC but mind was Grade 1 and yours a 2. I would talk it over with my doctors ASAP. It's your call of course and your life. Diane
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I, too had a 7mm tumor that was Grade 2, but my Oncotype score was an 18 and I was told that chemo would only offer an additional 2-3% benefit of avoiding recurrence. Furthermore, I knew that my tumor was growing at the slowest rate (like a Grade 1) and chemo is generally not effective in those cases. I did not do the chemo.
Your score may have come out higher than mine because it is dividing more rapidly, and therefore chemo would work better on it. Your surgical pathology report might have that info. or maybe you could check it with your doctor. In your case, with a score of 25, I think I might have done the chemo.
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Jennifer,
I am waiting for my Oncotype DX score. It will should be back this week. I was told that the best approach to the intermediate area is to split the difference and if you are in the high half to do chemo. This will be the approach I will use if my number falls in the intermediate area. The other suggestion I have seen is to ask the MO "What would you do if I were your sister?".
I will also have radiation if I don't need the chemo for a positive lymph node that was found to have cancer after my MX and SNB. I opted not to have surgery to remove more lymph nodes.
We all struggle with these decisions as we move through our breast cancer. You are not alone with how hard some of these choices are. Nothing seems to be cut and dry with this.
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Recommend a second opinion at a National Cancer Institute-designated center http://www.cancer.gov/researchandfunding/extramural/cancercenters. This is a hard decision and you need the best minds giving you the information you need to choose your treatment. Be sure to read the Oncotype reports carefully and take a look at the large variations in the intermediate group. Until the Tailor RX trial is published, for those of us in the dreaded intermediate category really won't know. Other factors (type of cancer, family history, etc.) can influence the decision too. My MO recommended chemo, the MO at the Cancer Center did not. Bottom line, we have to have the information to make the best decision we can at the time. Know you are surrounded by good wishes as you make this hard decision.
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I had a Grade 3 tumor Stage 1 but an Oncotype score of 14. The grade does not necessarily reflect a high Oncotype score. I think that is one reason the test is so important. If they were going by Grade, they would send everyone to chemo with a grade 3 whether or not it would benefit them. I am so thankful for the Oncotype because now I am heading straight to radiation with no chemo.
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I had two small grade 1 tumors, both less than 1 cm. But I had a high proliferation index Ki-67 of 30%, so they are dividing more rapidly. With a micromet in one lymph node and Oncotype scores of 23 & 26, chemo was recommended. If there are any of these rapidly dividing cells floating around my body, that chemo better be tracking them down and nailing those suckers!
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I am following. ..met w/surgeon yesterday for post op lumpectomy and sentinel node biopsy. I have been diagnosed as Stage II IDC Grade 2-3 with nodes clear. I will be having Brachytherapy but yesterday the surgeon said he wants me to meet with medical oncologist to discuss chemo since tumor was 2.1 cm. Does being 1 cm over recommendations really warrant chemo? We're waiting on Oncotype DX test.
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Rosebud,
Since you are getting the Oncotype done, I'd not worry about the size yet. The Onco will give a lot of helpful information. I was 1.5 cm and told I was on the cusp for chemo. My Oncotype score of 30 made it necessary.
So sorry, all these decisions are difficult.
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I had 2 small tumors ILc and IDC grade 2, Oncodx was 34. High risk I was in excellent health just had cancer. I chose no chemo, I wasn't willing to hurt my body now doing AIs hopefully no permanent damage. I seem to be in the minority most people would do the chemo.3 years out everything ok.
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Mine was 9mm, no nodes, ICD grade one. Oncotype score 28. I wanted to be as aggressive as possible. Had a bilat mx and chemo. No reconstruction. That was over 4 years ago. No residual problems from either that I am aware of. Am on an AI. Don't know for how long.
Good luck with this difficult decision.
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Today is my first post to any response on the internet. I'm 56 years old and having tough times with all the decisions...my biopsy came back on July 7th and I had surgery on August 7th. A 2.17 cm tumor was removed along with 3 nodes. My grade was 2 in aggressiveness and rated stage II . I had clean margins and clean nodes when the path results came back. I thought I was a go with radiation in 5 wks but now my breast surgeon is getting an onocotype DX to check for recurrence percentages.
I really do not want to go through chemo...... How bad will it be if I only do the radiation and hormone pills for 5 years???? Anyone out there with the same feelings and they would like to share, please respond.
Thanks..
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GoLilly - it's a very difficult decision until you get the oncatype score - and even then, if you get in the dreaded middle range (18 to 30), it's not easy. I hope that your oncatype score makes it an easy decision either way. Chemo is not to be taken lightly. It can be very hard on your body. Let us know when your oncatype score comes in.
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I am following. ..met w/surgeon yesterday for post op lumpectomy and sentinel node biopsy. I have been diagnosed as Stage II IDC Grade 2-3 with nodes clear. I will be having Brachytherapy but yesterday the surgeon said he wants me to meet with medical oncologist to discuss chemo since tumor was 2.1 cm. Does being 1 cm over recommendations really warrant chemo? We're waiting on Oncotype DX test.
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My story:
A
year ago found what I was told was a simple cyst. Had my routine mamm
and untrasound. They found nothing. 3 months ago there was localized
pain and minor change to dimension of cyst. Went in to see PCP in June
referred for mamm and ultra sound this time they saw something on the
screen.I am 47 (body type, personality and health of a 27 year old)
pre-menopausal. One of those 7% of why did this happen maybe its the
7-13% body fat with dense breasts my whole life? Cant be too thin or
overweight need to be just right - LOLI was dx 7/11/14 with stage 1 infiltrating ductal carcinoma. modified
Nottingham grade 2. 1.5cm r breast tumor. No findings anywhere else.
ER/PR+ Her 2neu negative. Lumpectomy with sentinel node dissection (3
nodes) No findings in the lymph nodes. Braca1/2 reflex bart test clear.
Oncotype score 26(intermediate with 40% chance of inaccuracy).
Waiting on mamma print. Just started localized direct target radiation
to R breast and .07cm margin near chest wall. It has been suggested i
do chemo then tamoxifen.My questions are around quality of life:
What would you do if you were me?
I have been told by onc I have a 95% survivorship with R breast after lump and rad and 60%
survivorship for rest of body. If I add chemo it goes up 3-6% and if I
add tamoxifen it goes up 17-20%. Putting me in the 86-89% range. BUT
what about "QOL" Quality Of Life issues???With chemo and tam the SE's as you know and have read here are
horrendous. I have never been able to tolerate hormonal deviations. At
17 when my menstruation began they put me on ortho pills to regulate
menses they made me worse overall but periods were more regular. Weight
gain, headaches, nauseous, very depressed and angry.I take nutritional supplements now and they regulate my periods well
but they are not helpful/contraindicated or recommended for chemo or
tam. I now have osteoarthritis and I have not started any hormones or
chemo yet.My neurophysiological system is very sensitive.
My 17 year old daughter says don't do it. My sister and brother in
law don't do it think of quality of life. My husband says lets wait for
mamma print get a second opinion AND lets see what other women like
yourself have to say about their quality of life. My friends say do it.
My family all physicians and in the cancer field say look at the
numbers. I am not a number though. I am an individual who
philosophically is against toxins in the bodymind.Many thanks, warm regards,
Jyoti
Thoughts, Questions, Comments, Feelings -
Well I never accepted my oncodx of 34 there was no way I was willing to do chemo but 3 years on AI drugs are killing me. I would love to dump them but doctor wants two more years.
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Rads/chemo/anti-hormonals are NOT the enemy.....cancer is, and cancer cells are terrorist cells that will kill you FOR SURE if given the chance. This is one time to absolutely look at the numbers; if they don't add up, then don't do any particular treatment. If they do, then the treatments are the Navy Seals working FOR you to help save your life. I did chemo, rads & 5 years of an anti-hormonal because the numbers said they would give me the best chance of a long cancer-free life. Chemo was not fun (although I worked all the way through it and did everything else I needed to do & most of the things I wanted to do too), rads were not bad (actually felt my energy increasing), and I did not have problems with my anti-hormonal. I am, in fact, in better shape now than I was going in. Don't let the fear of side effects, which may or may not happen, stop you from doing what you need to do now to possibly save your life!!!
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May I ask Jennifer, what was your treatment decision back in 2014? I am an oncotype of 28 and am opting out of chemo, but naturally the decision was a tough one
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newbcny, do you mind me asking about the stage etc. of your dx? I'm still waiting for my oncotype test, and even though the BS said she doesn't expect it to come back high, there's no guarantee. My tumor was under 2 cm with no node involvement. I REALLY don't want to do chemo, but do worry about recurrence. I won't get my onco results until July 18 so am kind of crazy. How long did your test take to come back? I was told there is only one lab in the entire nation that do these tests so it takes 3+ weeks.
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