Hoping I did not wait too long
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Hi Ktjay, I figured out a good analogy for what this chemo is like, here it is. Before chemo, I woke up each morning with a full tank of gas. At about 11 at night my gas light came on telling me I had enough fuel to wash my face, brush my teeth, let the dogs out, etc…. Now, after chemo, I wake up each morning with a half tank of gas. I can still make it till 11 but I have to pick and choose how far I go and shut the engine down throughout the day so I don't run out of gas. Anyway… that's it, silly but it puts it into perspective for me.
I got to babysit my 5 month old granddaughter today, oh so much fun but I am beat. I'll be in bed by 9. Yes I do have cancer in at least 2 lymph nodes that we know of, she biopsied 1 and the other one showed up thick on the CT scan. The sentinel showed extranodal extension which means it is outside of the node. That is part of the reason they wanted to do chemo first rather than possibly giving it a chance to spread while getting surgery and waiting to heal before chemo. I will be having a complete axillary dissection and rads. I have a cyst on my ovary but my MO is not concerned about it. I do not have a uterus, had it out when I was 39. I asked about removing my ovaries and the MO said I should talk to the surgeon about it but I would like to have them removed. I have pretty much decided to have a BMX, my MO talked only about lumpectomy the first time I saw her when my husband was with me. I did not question it at that time, was still in shock I think. Well that is all he heard, I'm having a hard time talking about the BMX with him, he is a man and just thinks the doctor knows best. Then when I went to MO for a visit before my chemo and DH wasn't with me she walks in the room and says " So did you decide on MX or lumpectomy" I was stunned…. anyway I did tell my DH about that, he keeps saying lets wait to see what the post chemo tests show but I already know what i want to do. I've got time, I'll figure it out, I'm talking about it a little here and there hoping my DH will start wrapping his mind around it. It's not the boob thing at all, I think he is concerned about the healing time for BMX vs lumpectomy. Also the MO says if I have only a lumpectomy I would have to have an MRI every year because of my dense breast. Well, an MRI is $4000, and I have a $5000 deductible. That's $40,000 over 10 years!!! That's weighing in on my decision as well, not to mention the idea of finding something and having to have a biopsy…arrgghh, just the thought of it.
I so glad for you that your surgeries are done. I didn't know they could do the implants right away, that's great. I am doing 6 rounds, I don't know what the benefits are of 6 over 4, you had it in 1 lymph node, right? How is your daughter and grandpuppy? Well, I'm beat, gas tank running low, I'll talk to you later.
aff, how are you doing? Your surgery is next week, right?
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I like your analogy, you are right, picking and choosing what to do in a day is definitely the new challenge. I am still trying to work, it is a little hard right after treatment, I got 2 hours in on Sunday when I was suppose to work 8, but I had been busier on Saturday than I thought and by Sunday I was totally exhausted so I only made 2 hours. I will work 6 today, but that is because I have a doctors appt and I know I will not have the energy after my appt to go back to work. My job is a very detailed oriented and patient lives are to be considered so when I am really tired it really is not safe to do my job. Plus if I have to take pain medications I do not trust I think clear enough to do it so I try to hold off on the pain meds. However, it is nice to work when I can to keep busy so I am going to keep plugging away when I can. I think it is smart to wait until you are at least done with your chemo, I am having an issue with my incisions. My port incision started with a little pin hole that has opened even further. It is surface and I keep a band aide on it but it isn't healing. Then last night I had another incision, one of my laparoscopy scars, open a little, it is red and bleeding a little so I cleaned it with hibiclens and put a band aide on it. Hopefully that will not get infected. I had asked my surgeon about the salpingo-oophorectomy (tubes and ovaries) being removed at the same time as my BMX and it was absolutely no problem. Actually the surgery was simple and did not bother me much at all, I am really glad I got it all done at once. My implants were put in the same time my mastectomy was done. I do not keep going back for expansions and I do not have to go back for another surgery to have the final ones put in. I really like that. I am not a fan of surgery. Well if you have any questions on a BMX I would be happy to answer. There are advantages and disadvantages to doing both. I would opt for the BMX myself and have the tubes and ovaries removed for safety sake. It is scary, but you will do great. You are healthy and strong so you will be able to do what needs to be done. Just got to keep moving your arms after surgery and remember it takes longer than you expect for them to feel normal and you may have to postpone running for a bit after surgery, but hopefully not too long.
I have not heard from aff lately, I wonder how she is doing.
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Thanks for asking. I'm doing well. It was a very busy weekend packed with lots of fun. My husband's birthday was Sat and my MIL's birthday was Monday. I hosted all weekend and paid the price for it yesterday but it was worth it. We had a great weekend with family and friends.
I struggled with my UMX vs BMX decision for months. I opted for UMX and while I am confident that it is the right choice for me, I still think about "what if" with my surgery being only 9 days away.
Each of us has to make a very personal decision. There is no right or wrong answer, only what is right for each of us. There are potential benefits and potential consequences for each choice. God forbid any of us have to live with any future consequences I know we will face it with the strength and bravery we faced this
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Hi aff, glad to hear you are doing well. Good luck with your upcoming surgery. Just curious, what tests did they order after you finished chemo? I see the surgeon on June 11 which is between my last 2 tx's and I'm wondering what to expect. I will not have a UMX because I am barely an A cup and at 56 they look more like fried eggs. I would not want to go thru a reconstruction to match what I have. For me it's either lumpectomy or BMX but I guess I'll wait and see what the surgeon says. Anyway, again, good luck on the 6th, that is when I have my next chemo, I'll be thinking of you, hope it goes well.
Ktjay, I never heard of getting the implants the same day, how was it that you didn't need expanders? That sounds great cause I hear the expanders can be very uncomfortable. I had a bit of a bout with the folliculitis again, took the doxycycline for a few days and scrubbing my head. I turned the corner yesterday, it's just about cleared up except I have a big zit on the end of my nose. I look like Rudolf, geesh… and I'm so damn tired. I've only been up since 8 and I'm already ready for a nap.
Hope you all have a great weekend.
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I had blood work and an EKG to get medical clearance for the surgery and my BS did a physical exam. Surgery is in 6 days....AAAAAGH!
I am having immediate DIEP reconstruction so to say I'm anxious is an understatement.
I recently read about another person on these boards that had immediate implants. I have know idea which thread or who it was. I've read thousands of posts over the last few weeks as I just recently found BCO. I think it's fascinating. I've read about a lot of issues with tissue expanders these last few weeks.
Have a great night planned in honor of my final weekend before surgery. I'm having dinner and drinks with a large group of ladies. There are about 12 of us going. There is a local band playing. I'm really looking forward to it...a great night with great friends.
Hope you ladies have a great weekend!
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Aff, I had immediate reconstruction with silicone implants, one and done. I was going to do the DIEP, but I did not have enough abdominal fat to get the size I wanted. It sounds like you are going to have a great weekend, as you should. Don't worry about your surgery, I am sure you are in excellent hands and they will take good care of you. Your body will heal just the way it is suppose to and you will be fine. Have a wonderful weekend and no worries.
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Ktjay, how did they do immediate recon? With alloderm?
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Ktjay, I'm curious about it too, why did you not have to go through the whole expander thing?
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aff, so they didn't do an MRI or any kind of scans?
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genny - no mri or scans, just a physical exam, blood work and ekg. I had a very good response to chemo. I was always having an mx on the left so there were no decisions to be made. As I have learned on this site, every treatment is different and every dr is different so let me know what you have done.
I had an amazing time last night. Dinner, drinks and tons of laughs with 12 of my closest friends. I feel so good today. I'm very relaxed!
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That sounds awesome aff, a good night out with friends always cures everything.
Yes Momine, they used alloderm and made a cage sewing it to my ribcage, then filled my implants with 500 cc of saline and wala I have breasts. Technically I would have no more surgeries. My plastic surgeon was awesome; however, because they removed 16 lymph nodes it made my surgery a little more difficult for him. He was not as pleased as I was. My breasts are not as even as he would have liked them so maybe waiting would have been better, I don't know. However, it can be fixed down the road if I so chose or I can let it go. When I put a bra on you really can not tell a difference so I am happy.
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Ktjay, got it and thanks for 'splainin'.
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Aff, are you having nipple sparing surgery? I heard a cute story, a girl I at my treatments had a single mx without nipple sparing and she said she never really thought about it until the one day her one breast had a nipple showing threw her clothes and of course the other one did not. She said it looked so funny and just was not something she ever even thought about. If that may be something that would bother you, you may want to have a pastee on hand so you have 2 nipples
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ktjay - I had no idea what alloderm was so I did a bit of research on it last night. So interesting and fascinating. I am having a skin sparing mx but not nipple sparing. Funny you brink it up, I just started thinking about this nipple situation last week. I can have the nipple reconstructed or I can have a 3D tattoo. Either way one will not always match the other so I plan to ask around. I have a few months before I need to make a decision on that.
4 days to go...this is the biggest surgery I have ever had in my life. PS says it will be about 6-8 hours.
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Yes, mine was 8 hours, but it felt like 5 minutes. They gave me a nerve block in my back (I did not remember it or feel it) so when I woke up I really had very little discomfort. I had my tubes and ovaries removed, which is not as drastic as having your abdominal muscles cut, but still I had a sore tummy. However, it was very minor and as long as I used the pain medication it was all very tolerable. I never had a big surgery like that either so I can relate to the apprehension. You are going to do great and be so thankful when it is all over. Yes, nipples are not something to even waste thinking about yet. I just asked my plastic surgeon my options because I am getting to that point. I am having the 3D tattoos done. I like not having nipples I can wear anything now and will not have to worry about wearing a bra. My neighbor, who had a bmx, jokes all the time how when we are in our 70s we will be the only women in the neighborhood whose boobs are still perky
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Hey Genny,
I was wondering how you are doing? I get my fourth treatment today. My third was pretty rough, I was wondering how your fourth was going? I am anemic so it is not helping with feeling fatigued and I think chemo brain is setting in. My brain is usually sharp as a tack, but lately I can't seem to remember if I have taken my pills for the day or not and I made an error at work the other day that I never would have made before. That part is a little scary. I get really frustrated with the fatigue aspect of all of this, but trying to go with the flow. Hope you are making out better.
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Hi Ktjay, I am doing ok. I had my 5th chemo last Friday, I'm tired all the time but I guess I'm getting used to it I have figured out that come 4:00 I am the same tired whether I have worked or not so I might as well work. I have few other SE this round, just fatigue. I have my last on June 27. I went to the surgeon yesterday and I am having a BMX. She does not think a lumpectomy is an option at all which is what the MO originally told me. I am having the reconstruction but she does not think I will be able to keep my nipples..darn. I probably will just forget about that part. My surgery will be either the last week in July or 1st week in August, she wants me to meet 2 plastic surgeons that she has recommended and have me pick which one I prefer. I have an appt with 1 next Wed. That's pretty much it for me.
Sorry to hear about your anemia, I did not get chemo brain, anymore that what menopause has already been doing for me. You are right the fatigue is the hardest part. I told my customers I feel like I've had 2 hours of sleep a night all the time. I'm glad your surgery is behind you, you should be feeling pretty good by end of August. How are your boobs healing up? Hope you have a good weekend and SE stay away.
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I am glad you are having minimal SE. Yea the fatigue bites, but learning to manage it is the key. It sounds like you have made a good decision. I hope you find a plastic surgeon you like. I love my plastic surgeon, he is such a nice, compassionate man and funny. I just asked him about nipples because I wanted to know my options and he gave me the same response as the last time I asked him. There is a man in Baltimore, Maryland named Vinnie Myers who does a 3-D tattoo nipple that looks real. You should pull up his website and check them out. My plastic surgeon said he was just at a conference and most of the plastic surgeons there are recommending the tattoo because it looks so real and is noninvasive. Vinnie is becoming internationally known, women fly in from all over. I am glad they are removing your nipples, ILC can hide in them because they have milk ducts. Personally, I love not having them because I can wear a shirt without a bra and never have to worry. My boobs are healing, they are still tight at times and do not look very pretty yet. My tissue is thinning, I have some ripples and some of my scars have broken open because they are so thin. However, when I wear a bra they look nice. My one is still smaller because they had to remove 16 lymph nodes and he had a hard time making them equal. You can feel my implant because I have lost so much tissue because of the chemo. After I am done with chemo I will see how much comes back, I may have to have them touched up. Then after that I will be getting my tattoos done. Please keep me updated on how you are doing. Let me know when your surgery is. You will not have these problems because you went through your chemo already. However, are you doing radiation? If so they say you should not get implants before going through radiation, radiation can mess them up.
I hope you have minimal SE from your 5th round, gosh only 1 more round to go and you will have made it...That is awesome. The surgery is not bad at all, I was uncomfortable, but I took very little pain pills and just really worked at moving my arms and reaching for things as much as I could. I have full motion of my arms and when I am through chemo plan on doing push ups and lift weights to build up my chest and arms again. I have tried to do it already, but it made my boobs swell and feel really tight. My plastic surgeon said it will not hurt them so I just have to get use to the feeling. However, after work 8 hours, doing dinner and any running I have I am too exhausted to do a push up. I am trying to walk as much as I can, but I cannot walk for a long distance, maybe a mile at the most.
Hope you have a great weekend. Take care.
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Ktjay, yes I am having rads, they will leave the expanders in until done. I was thinking I'd like to start working on building up my upper body strength before my surgery but you're right, with the chemo it's hard finding the energy to do just what you need to do. I did look up Vinnie Myers, he does do amazing work. Do you know does insurance cover it? What does it cost? I have a $5000 deductible which will start over in January so I'm not sure that I'll be doing anything about the nipples. I'll probably just go without. Glad to hear you describe your surgery as being not all that bad, it's very encouraging. When are you done with chemo?
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I emailed him, he is so compassionate and nice. It costs $600.00 for both. Insurance may pay for it you would have to check with your insurance company. I know I am going to try to submit mine. I am waiting though until I am sure I am done with breast surgery so my nipples do not end up pointing to the ceiling or something, LOL. I contacted him when I was first diagnosed to see how long his wait list was. Back them it was 5-6 months and he sent me a very nice note back himself. You can email him and ask him any questions. I also know someone who went to him for another type of tattoo, when she tried to go back he is no longer doing other tattoos just the nipples. She said he was very, very nice. I can't wait to meet him. He got into this because his sister was diagnosed with breast cancer. He said the day he was going to stop doing the nipple tattoos because they were taking up all of his time and they are not as interesting to do as other tattoos he got a call from his sister and she had just been diagnosed with breast cancer so he knew he had to make this his focus. How weird right.
I am thinking about having a vine or something aside of the nipple to cover my scar, but not sure yet on that. I am not sure when I am done with chemo. He said something after my second tmt that maybe I would only need 4; however, when I saw him last week he said we would talk after my 4th treatment to see where I am at. Although, he wrote a prescription for steroids to cover 6 treatments. I am going to call him next week after my SEs kick in and just see where we stand because I do not see him again until right before my 6th tmt, I see someone else according to my schedule they print out for me. My last treatment if I do all 6 is July 24th, the day before my birthday. If my body holds up I will probably try to go to 6 not just for me, but because all you other strong women are doing it and I do not want to sell myself short; however, if it is taking too much of a toll on my body I will stop at 4. Wish I had stats on how much difference those last 2 treatments make.
You will do fine, I did not even mind the drains, I thought I would. That part freaked me out the most when I thought about it, but I only had 2, one on each side. I was able to do most of the drain care myself because of where they were positioned. My husband helped me too from time to time. He had stronger hands so he could milk them a little better. I was nervous when they had to be pulled, but I did not feel a thing and I had heard horror stories. Just be calm, don't fight what your body is doing and follow your instructions. If you have a good plastic surgeon that you are confident with that makes all the difference. Mine is very gentle. He likes to laugh and I feel very comfortable around him. That is very important, if you do not have that with the ones you meet you should keep looking. A friend of mine is so unhappy with her PS. She has no bedside manners. She does not get told anything about the procedure or process. Make sure you have a good rapport with whomever you pick.
Hope you are feeling good today. What SE are you having? How is your folliculitis? I have been using the salicylic acid every time I shower followed by moisturizer for the dryness and it has really help so far to keep mine under control.
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just reading through this thread - just have to share with ktjay - I just happened to go to a different hospital for my mammo last year - one that had digital (i guess most do now) - no symptoms whatsoever - and they found ILC - 3 large areas in my left breast - said it probably had been there 5-6 years! all the docs that felt me up said that they wouldn't have known it was there if they hadn't been told.
hopefully it was found in time - have done all the treatments -as barbaric as i believe them to be - and will continue on this path
keep strong and know that you are never alone in this
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Oh that's not bad, $600 is reasonable. I'll decide that down the road. I'm 7 days out from my 5th chemo. I get more fatigued with each but I've grown so used to it that I'm more able to push thru it. No folliculitis so far but that usually starts around day 9. It wasn't bad at all last time maybe 10 follicles. I woke up this morning and my eyes are bothering me more, they are kinda of burning and watering and my eyelids twich like crazy. They've been doing that all along but getting worse now. I get headaches but my MO says advil is fine, that usually gets rid of them, and drinking lots of water. That's about it, a little stiffnes but I don't know for sure that's chemo or age. I'm going to start a 20 minute workout today to see if I can build my core and arm strength before the surgery. I'd like to do it everyday, we'll see how it goes. I used to work as an LPN so I've had experience with drains, and my mom had them after her bypass and I took care of her. Of course it's a bit different when it's on yourself. Well good luck with chemo, got contractors here to do some work on our condo.
Have a good day!
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Hi ladies - just wanted to stop in to let you know that my surgery was successful. I have been home from the hospital since Tue and had my drains removed yesterday. It was a glorious moment. Recovery is going well. Received my final pathology last. All 5 nodes were negative! Yesterday was a great day all around!!!
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Yea aff!!!! Negative nodes!! That's great! And drains out fast. Do you have to have radiation? Did you already have reconstruction?
So happy for you...Congrats!
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Nothingbuyingit, I've had 10 mammograms, last 1 before dx last September. Never showed a thing. Even my diagnostic one after I found the dimpling didn't show anything definitive. Then they did the CT scan and it showed only a 7mm area of suspicion. The MRI showed 2.5-3 cm. And 2 enlarged lymph nodes, 1 with extranodal extension. BS says she won't know what she's dealing with for sure until she gets in there. Mine is grade 1 so she says it's been there for years to have gotten into the lymph nodes, and the path report say in-situ also there. Ilc is sneaky stuff.
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Aff, congratulations, no nodes... Awesome... The hard part is over, it sounds like you are doing great. Your drains came out quick. Glad you are doing well.
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Genny,
Let me know how that workout goes. I can't wait to start mine. I keep planning my return to the exercise world. I do try to do a lot of stretching, that seems to help with my tightness in my boobs and arms. I also try to walk a little when I can. I like yoga and I can finally do the downward dog position so I do a little yoga. Five minutes here, five minutes there when I can. I think being in some kind of good condition really helped with the surgery. You are going to do great.
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genny - I had chemo before surgery, 4 AC followed by 12 weekly Taxol. I had immediate DIEP reconstruction. I will start rads in about 4 weeks. I was surprised about the drains. I did not have much output in the hospital and minimal output when I got home. I had problems with my eyes during AC but no issues during Taxol.
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Notbuyingit and Genny, we have such a similar course. My doctors did not say how long my cancer was in there. From what I am learning I guess it was there for awhile, especially since my node was a macrometastases. I was lucky I guess that it was just in 1 node. I try not to think how long it was there, I am thinking it was there long enough to be found and taken out. I am also thankful it was just one kind. I try not to think about 5 years down the road or 10 years from now. I just imagine I have done what I can to get rid of what I have and win this round. As long as we keep up with our testing and being watched hopefully we can catch it if it comes back. I just can't believe sometimes how hard this type of cancer is to find. It is nice to share the experience and know I am not alone. Thank you.
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Hi Genny,
How was your sixth and final treatment? yeah for you. How are you doing? I get my fifth treatment on Thursday and am already nervous, but just keep telling myself it will be over soon. Hope you are doing okay.
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