Fatigue, Depression, Guilt about DCIS - Help!
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Hi Gals! Got back from our trip and have some catching up to do reading here. Sat like a slug most of the vacation, but it was restful. My neck and arm were great but after packing, moving stuff in and out of the house, sleeping in the car, etc. my arm and neck are a bit worse again. It was a good trip. We did 3 short hikes, but I was totally zonked after each one. Thought hubby was gonna have to push me up the street to get back to the cabin again. lol Noticing a little change in energy level. No where near it should be, but at least a little better than 2 mo. ago. :-)
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Hey there! Glad that you had a nice time, bet the fresh air was rejuvenating, mentally if not physically
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Yeah, Lilyluv! Welcome back. I was absent here for a while, too. The past few weeks had been quite busy for me both at the office and homefront, on top of trying to get exercise every night after work to get myself stronger and prepared for my next bout sometime July. I am actually sill busy now, so I'd be out of touch mostly.
I am glad to hear that you had a fun trip. Don't worry about your body's ups and downs. Before you know it, you will be back to your normal self... or maybe even better.
Meanwhile, here's wishing everybody the best weekend ever-- "Happy Mother's Day, you all!"
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Hey lettie and faerywings, I hope you had a good mom's day! I had cataract surgery on Monday, so I was just checking in quick to say hi! :-)
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Hey there ladies! I had a nice Mother's Day- I did nothing.
I am back on the Lyme roller coaster and my WBC is low again. My llmd is not sure if it is more meds, or rads or just my body still struggling.Probably a combo of all 3. I am still not able to go back to work yet which is super-frustrating as well.
But at least the weather has been warmer here in NJ and I have been able to get out and do some gardening before I poop out
Hope that your eye heals quickly!
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Hi, Lilyluv... Faerywings! I'm sorry to hear that you have to go through cataract surgery, Lilyluv. Have you had that problem a long time now and so the only solution is surgery? Hope you feel better soon.
Except for your Lyme events, Faerywings, I'd like to say you had a good Mother's Day-- that's the best part-- doing nothing!
Mine was similar, too-- just stayed home for the most part and hang with my daughters. My older daughter came home, so me and my girls went to church... my hubby went biking, but came home with my long-time requested DVD to watch--"Frozen"-- yay! My older one cooked chicken curry for late lunch, while the younger one helped. For dinner, we went for a quick drive at this place right near our home, called "Creamistry"... it's the first 'made-to-order liquid nitrogen' ice cream shop in Orange County, CA (very rich and creamy!).
Gardening is a good therapy, Faerywings. I wish I had such a green thumb; but I don't. Give me a flower pot and it will only last me 2 months at the most. But, because I still like plants, my friend here, turned all my flower pots to non-flowering ones. But, honestly, I am still having a bit of a hard time maintaining them-- esp. with the heat wave that hit us recently. And as my daughters know me now quite well, they gave me small 'bonsai' pot for this Mother's Day! If I kill this, I don't know anymore--LOL!
Have a good rest of your Sunday, everyone.... and a good week ahead!
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Hi I have just been diagnosed with DCIS, 6 weeks from my first mammogram I have been told even tough its non invasive it is widespread. I am booked in for a Mastectomy in 4 week. I like so many of you, I cant believe how extreme this is for something that's "not really cancer". I understand why my breast needs to go, and i can have it reconstructed in 6 months. I just feel sick and pissed off that its happened to me! I have been feeling tired for a while prior to prognosis were any of you the same? x Sara
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I had a mastectomy on May 6 after three lumpectomies in hopes of saving my breast. My pathology report came back clear, which is great and you would think I would be overjoyed. When I heard the news it was all I could do to not start crying in the doctors office. If they had found something else it would have made all of this make more sense to me. I thought then why did I even do this... then I had to remind myself of all my reasons for having a mastectomy.
Of course you are sick and pissed off Sara! I was too. This is a tremendous thing to take in and six months later I still struggle with it at times.
I was tired for about a year before being diagnosed with breast cancer, which was in November 2013. In June of that year I had gone to my doctor and explained that something seemed wrong, it wasn't normal to be so tired all the time. They ran blood tests and said everything was fine. I read from many other women that they were tired as well for months prior to diagnosis. Makes you wonder?
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Hi Sara, I totally get the sick and pissed off feeling. I was more aggravated with "One More Thing" to deal with than I think I was fearful or worried. But my DCIS was very localized and I was able to just have a lumpectomy, so that is a different experience.
I can't say whether my fatigue was due to the cancer or not. I had been feeling very crummy for a long time before, but I also have Lyme disease so its very hard to separate out what's what. But I would imagine that the fatigue could be from an immune system response to the cancer?
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I popped in this thread to share this-- again, its so weird to have "good cancer" yannow? I am walking in the Survivor Lap for Relay for Life today. I have such mixed feelings, I am not a survivor. I did what I had to do. I was blessed that this was caught early. But my friend has been asking me to be part of her team for years, but my main focus has been on Lyme Awareness. This year, between her thoughts and those of my social worker at the Cancer Center, I decided to go for it. I feel weird about walking with people who have been through so much more than me. Weird, right?
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Hey All and welcome to new folks joining this thread! It's been a couple weeks since I checked back in. Cataract surgery is just about healed, so finally there's an end in sight to surgeries. Vision is great! But I had a real bad allergic reaction and ended up in the ER a few days ago. Pollen is terrible right now and I didn't take an antihistamine that day. With my energy levels these days, I just have to seize the opportunity and get those walking shoes on fast and just get down there on the treadmill before I change my mind. lol I have exercise induced anaphylaxis and apparently that was the day not to miss taking the antihistamine. I itched like a madwoman and my throat swelled and I couldn't swallow. Three hours in the ER with IV's and an Rx for prednisone and I was back home. Long nite.
So they did an ekg and chest xray also while I was in ER. Now it looks like they see something in my lung on the side where I had surgery/rads. The report was uploaded to my online file and said irregular area in right lung, unable to rule out metastasis. CT scan of lung advised. Now I know my DCIS was sitting on my chest wall and she couldn't get much of a clean margin there, but I thought Dcis by it's nature couldn't jump over into your lung if it was contained. At least that's what the surgeon told me. So of course that report was uploaded Friday late when everything is closed. After the ER visit they told me to follow up with my doc, but he was on vacation last week. Maybe that's why they kept insisting on it. No one told me at the time that they saw anything on the xray. I'm not too worried though because I keep reading that scar tissue is common after rads. I'm not going to worry too much about it. Figure there's going to be lots of lumps and bumps and false positives from scar tissue from now on that they'll find that will turn out to be just that. Still tired, but not as bad. Every couple of weeks I seem to get a little bit more done around here, but still not up to speed. Getting more things accomplished finally, but very slowly.
faerywings I can so identify with what you're saying! Still hard to feel part of the official cancer club with DCIS. It was odd in the hospital. Now if you had rads or node removal, you're supposed to tell hospital staff not to draw blood out of the arm you had surgery on because of the potential for lymphedema. So when youre in the hospital you get a pink wristband on that arm. But I'm glad you're doing that walk/run. I went to beat cancer boot camp once already and felt part of the group. Actually I was one of the slowest in the group! Some of those women are in really great shape!
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Lily, why is it that stuff happens on the weekend or when the doc is away ? You have had a wild few weeks it seems. To reassure you a bit, I had 3 lumpies till they got my clear margins, then the rads and countless poking around. On one of my mamos, I went to a dif location for it (same center but they have 9 locations). Any way they saw stuff and said my boobie was irregular in shape~~They wanted biops in 5 locations and I was ready to hit the ceiling. Course when my BS who is great say the report, she sighed, said we will biop one and that is all. The rest was scar tissue. All came out fine but it convinced me to keep going to the same location as others do know what is scar and what is a problem.
Stay cool and thinking positive for you.
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Proudtospin I think it's something called Murphy's law. :-) They wanted to do 5 biopsies?? I can't even stand the thought of one more of those vaccuum core biopsies.
The CT was done and came back OK. Seems to be some leftovers from radiation. But I still feel a little uneasy about it. Xray said 14mm and the CT said the ill defined density is 2.9cm x 3.6 cm. There's also fluid around my heart (what??), and some rib stuff going on. I've got a cough but it's probably due to that. The surgeon is going to mention it to the rads onc. Aways, an adventure, hey?
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Lily, glad all came back good for you. Yeah, I think at times the docs are just a bit too eager to find a reaccurance!
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Hi, all!
Lily, glad to hear you're doing good despite of the many challenges you've had these past days. I know it's tough, Sara and Faerywings, too especially, but even with just DCIS in our records, people must understand we go through a lot as well-- possibly more psychologically. As the docs are in awe of what DCIS might and might not be, and more so US!
I hope all will be well with you Sara when you have your mastectomy. Not to scare you or anything, but mine went not so well only because the breast tissue taken out from me tested for positive margins, and therefore on my next surgery, when supposedly it will only be reconstruction, my BS would have to go back in and scrape off more to ensure clear margins before reconstruction can proceed. And if there will be too much to scrape off, my RS says he may not be comfortable continuing with the reconstruction. In other words, wait again... in the meantime that my boobies now are ughhhhh so feeling tight already. I had my last saline shots on my L /R boobies 2 weeks ago, and boy, I feel like my bras will be snapping out any minute certain times of the day and night. I don't know what triggers the tightening, but it's definitely more frequent now than before. Probably because my chest has reached its max in expanding and yeah--- just feeling so ready for the swap.
I am just waiting on my surgery schedule for now, but labs for my oncology visit in 2 weeks has already been booked. Wish me luck!--
Anyhoo... I think you're right about the docs, Proudtospin. After all that's been said, I really feel we shouldn't worry too much about anything that we can't do anything about. As they say--
"Live Life to the Fullest: Eat well... Live well... Stay active.... Be happy!!!"
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Proudtospin - I am heading in for my first mammo since treatment on July 27th. My BS warned me that they would probably "see something" because of scar tissue and not to panic. I would go crazy too if they told me I needed 5 biopsies !!! I am glad they were wrong in your case. Like Lilyluv, I really can't stand the thought of another core biopsy. I guess we do what we have to do, though.
How was the first mammo after radiation? I am still tender and not looking forward to it. I think it also is going to be mentally stressful to walk back into the place that found my DCIS last year.
Lilyluv - I'm sure that was a scary experience with your lungs and water around your heart. I hope everything calms down for you.
Lettie - Yes, we do go through a lot psychologically - even though others go through way worse. I don't feel like a survivor either. But I surely am happy to be on the other side of treatment. I guess I feel like I had to endure a lot, but because it was DCIS, my life was not yet in danger and I did not "survive". I hope someday they will figure out which DCIS cases need treatment and which don't so that some women can be spared the worry.
This is a great thread and you are a nice group of gals.
Dawn
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Well mamo is done, no results yet as they will mail them to me. Since I am 6 years out, I am not considered special anymore!
Still get nervous though.
I agree Dawn, wish they could figure out which DCIS is dangerous so we all do not need to be butchered and burned!
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been feeling more and more like I don't deserve to be called "survivor" I did what I had to.... no chemo - no rads - no tamoxifen. I know I need to spread the word for more early detection, maybe that was why..... I know my dcis was aggressive, I opted to wait 2 months for DMX, tumor 1 was found on 12/12/13 and was >1cm. by the time I landed in the OR tumor 2 developed and was 1cm. Pathology report stated DCIS noninvasive but aggressive. I was really lucky!!! 32 trying to have a baby and BAM! The big BC develops.... no words can describe my feelings appropriately.
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MereMere - After what you have been through, I would say you are a survivor!
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I never think about being a Survivor per se. I too, had aggressive DCIS and lost a breast. I am forever changed, not in a bad way, but changed all the same, in many ways.
It is all a matter of degree or perception. Do I feel for others with a worse, or different Dx to me? Of course I do, without question.
Do I feel I have been let off the hook with this Dx? Not really, I think when we have been through the testing, the call back, the biopsy, the interminable waiting, the Dx, the waiting again, the life changing surgery and the abject fear that we feel, while waiting at the top of that roller coaster rise, which is the final pathology result, we all share that part of the ride, together. It is only then, when we get this DCIS result, that our paths change.
Do I feel that I dodged a bullet, absolutely! Not having more treatment was a gift.
Had this insidious thing not been picked up this time and missed again like the time before, because my previous Mammo was done on an analogue machine, I would likely not be posting on this thread today, but on an IDC thread.
I am grateful every day that I had a Digital Mammo, this time, and if I had to have any kind of BC Dx, that this was my Dx........ Just my opinion.
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I've been feeling this way myself since my BMX with DIEP on June 10. I had my final pathology, with high grade (3) DCIS in one breast, and they found LCIS in the other breast. Which, along with other things confirmed for me that for me,BMX with DIEP was the right decision. I didn't want to live my feeling like I was waiting for the ball to drop before my check in 3 or 6 months.
I have a lot of feelings of gratefulness, luck, etc, that it was found because it was a total fluke (pathology after breast reduction in March of this year). Then the what-if's come into play. I'm not sure how they caculate risk totally, but with the LCIS, my other factors, the oncologist said I had a 68 % chance of it develpping in the other breast if I had left it (I was initially only diagnosed with DCIS in the one breast). The LCIS was found on MRI, but was confimed at pathology. I had clear margins, negative lymph nodes, etc. So, I'm considered cured, although will be monitored yearly to check on the few remaining breast cells left next to the skin (as they can't get them all).
The last 75 days since I have found out have been such a whilewind, that I don't think I've processed a whole lot of it.
Not that she can say for sure, but my oncologist felt my diagnosis would have been much different if not for the reduction finding it. I'm only 41, and regular screening doesn't start until late 40s in Ontario. I have dense and cystic breasts, that were mammo and u/s in my mid to late 20s, so I don't always take self exam seriously, as I often found bumps. I also had an elevated prolactin issue since my early 20s, so nipple discharge was normal for me. THen through in b/fing and pregnant for almost 10 years, that just seemed normal. So, things that would cause some to have alarm, didn't really registrar with me. Etc, etc, etc.
I feel blessed to have found it when I did. It still feels very surreal. Yet, since diagnosis, speaking with many women directly, or people who know someone, and reading the more advanced forums on here, it's hard not to feel a bit guilty that I found out at this point, and others didn't. It's a sucky disease, and seems to becoming more prevalent. On the other hand, I didn't need further treatment, but I faced an 11 hour surgery, 5 day hospital stay, long recovery at home from the DIEP/BMX. THose are certainly not "minor things". I get bothered by having lost my nipples, as the DCIS was so involved, yet when I think of someone with a more advanced stage, worrying about nipples seems petty. I will have that surgery later in the year.
I'm totally all over the board emotionally on this, if you can't tell.
It helps to talk about it. Thanks for letting me vent here as well.
Also, even though I was told it was a 12 week recovery or so, I feel more normal at times. It's only been 4 weeks, so I feel good, but the good doesn't last, and then I need to rest. I feel like I should be doing more. I'm a single mom, with 5 kids with a not very helpful ex, so I've had to have a lot of help. I feel guilty for all the help. Especially now, as I look like at time, fairly normal. But then I need to go rest. Not sure if it's the surgical recovery, the lingerin effects of 12 hours of surgery, depression, etc. The mental effort involved to do the simpliest of tasks is exhausting still.
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