Dogs and chemo: Calling all dog-lovers!

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  • Radical2Squared
    Radical2Squared Member Posts: 460
    edited May 2014

    I was SUPER concerned about the pet/chemo situation! I start chemo next month and my first question my I asked my oncologist was, "What about my dogs?"

    He laughed at me and told me there were only 3 things I was banned from during chemo... Sun bathing, dental work, and professional manicures. He was not worried at all about bacteria getting into cuts and scrapes. I explained that my 90 lb lab babies tend to but a beating on my 120lb self occasionally. He told me not to worry at all and that they would be my best comfort ever!

  • yensmiles
    yensmiles Member Posts: 260
    edited May 2014

    Nettie, I think you've got a superb immune-system! That is really comforting, cos everytime I read people finding comfort in their dogs and doing everything they did with their dogs, I feel that can happen with me too!

    Radical2Squared, I love your oncologist!!! What a sense of humour! And I don't even do the 3 things he ask you not to do on regular days, so I think i'll be quite safe! :) Would love to know how you and your dogs get on during chemo!! 90lbs.. that's really heavy..  if there's 9 more of you lined up, and a running lab, i can imagine it's a bit like bowling.. the lab being the ball! :) Somehow, i feel that having dogs will keep us healthier..  besides them being comforting, the thought of exercising and keeping them healthy will probably keep us healthy! :)

  • Radical2Squared
    Radical2Squared Member Posts: 460
    edited May 2014

    Yensmiles, I hope the doggies do well with chemo. I'll have to let you know. There were days after surgery where the only reason I got up was to let them out and feed them. It was a good thing b/c I was supposed to be getting a little exercise!

  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2014

    Good to read about the dogs, and also see that most docs aren't worried about us interacting with the dogs during chemo.

    We have two young Cocker Spaniels (one rescue), and they are a great comfort during all of this.  Here's a pic of them cavorting in their first ever snow storm this past winter:

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  • yensmiles
    yensmiles Member Posts: 260
    edited May 2014

    awww..that's so cute SharonDe! How's your chemo regime going? 

    Radical2squared, that's 2 pinchers in your profile pix right? haha, i guess it's not facebook and doesn't blowup when i click on it, so i'm guessing! :) I too, my very first efforts after surgery were to feed my dogs - quite a chore, when any slight move was a pain, and having to open their airtight food container! I don't have much of a garden here in Malaysia.. so we have to walk the dogs.. and i started walking the small ones a week after surgery, and now that i can drive, i occasionally drive my favourite: Toby to a nearby Park where he gets to go off-leash and hence i can "walk" him too, otherwise in our regular field behind the house, he pulls and will sniff out cat poop + eat them!!! Too many semi-stray cats around the neighbourhood.. and none in a nearby park slightly away from the houses!

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  • Nettie1964
    Nettie1964 Member Posts: 759
    edited May 2014


    And as a note, my MO never said anything about manicures or pedicures, so I had both all during treatment and never had any troubles!  Even once, when one of my toenails was coming off, they "fixed" it for me so I could continue to wear my flip flops!  I'm assuming they understood my situation because I had NO hair, because it seems they took extra precautions! 

  • yensmiles
    yensmiles Member Posts: 260
    edited May 2014

    Nettie, LOL! you went out without hair?! I'm envious.. i've bought a wig to prevent questions and stares (though most likely shall be holed up for 6 months till hair grows back or i get used to wig).. honestly, i don't see women without hair here in malaysian society.. the only time i see bandana over bald heads are in the oncology section of the hospital. and you really have super-strong immune system!!! what do you eat/do???

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited May 2014

    I am not one who goes for mani/pedis or has fake nails but I was emphatically told not to have either or IF I felt I HAD TO HAVE them to take my own tools and make them use mine only on me.  I have gone for a mani/pedi a few times in my life long before any health issues and those few times I always took my own set and an extra set I knew had been steralized for any friend who also went with me.  Unfortunately though there are laws and occasional inspection - unfortunately not all places are diligent about following even minor sanitation practices.

  • Radical2Squared
    Radical2Squared Member Posts: 460
    edited May 2014

    Yensmiles,

    Good guess on the type of dog in my profile pic! Many get it wrong b/c I didn't crop the ears. Your pups would be jealous of my older dog. He just hops the baby gate that leads to the upstairs bathroom and eats the cat poop right out of the litter box!

  • Warrior_Woman
    Warrior_Woman Member Posts: 1,274
    edited May 2014

    2 months post final chemo and it never occurred to me to take any special precautions.  My dogs have been a lifeline for me.  They even brought a therapy dog to visit me during one of my infusions.  I did not have any problems as a result but perhaps I was just lucky.  

  • yensmiles
    yensmiles Member Posts: 260
    edited May 2014

    That's wonderful Warrior Woman! :) awww...so sweet to have a therapy dog visit! 

    RadicalSquared.. eeewww... your dog is a crafty genius.. but ewww.. LOL!!! I think my dog would've done the same! Only 1 out of the 5 would refrain herself when she sees cat poop (and knows that i'm eyeing her, if i'm not she'd eat it too!). Hence all except her gets leashed when we go out for our regular walks.

    Kicks, yeah, compliance is always an issue somewhere when it comes to hygiene standards! Glad in Nettie's case they took extra precaution! :)

  • rosemamma88
    rosemamma88 Member Posts: 22
    edited May 2014

    We were recently approved at my local golden retriever rescue. Although there are over 40 families on a waiting list and the

    foster family picks the family so it could be a long time.

  • rosemamma88
    rosemamma88 Member Posts: 22
    edited May 2014

    Yensmiles, I like your viewpoint and idea about getting my dog and this new dog together to see how they do.  My current dog is really my biggest concern with getting a new one.  Sometimes they need to work it out, so hopefully they do easily enough.  It's a crazy time to get a dog but a good time too.  14 year old son will be home for summer break and is looking forward to bonding with her. I like the idea of having some light and joy around here and not all the focus on my cancer.  Hopefully I'm not underestimating how sick I'll feel. 

  • Radical2Squared
    Radical2Squared Member Posts: 460
    edited May 2014

    Warrior mentioned therapy dog's. I started seeing a therapist after my surgery because I felt pretty depressed. She has a German Shepard dog that hangs out in the office named Raven. Raven is a therapy dog. I spend more time talking to and petting the dog when I go for therapy. At first I thought I was just paying a 20 dollar copy to go visit a dog....but I think my therapist is smarter than I gave her credit for!

    She asks the dog questions about me like, "Raven, what do we think of Jen?" Even though the dog has already met me. I don't cry in front of people if I can avoid it. I noticed at my last session that when I started to feel like I might cry, the dog got up and came over to me before I could change the subject.

    I think the dog is throwing hints to my therapist about how I really feel about certain things!

  • yensmiles
    yensmiles Member Posts: 260
    edited May 2014

    haha Radical2Squared, looks like your therapist has a very good partner! :)

  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2014

    yensmiles - Toby is a beautiful dog.

    My chemo is going fine - half way through 4 cycles of TC.  The dogs continue to provide comfort, and motivation to get a little exercise.

  • Golfingirl
    Golfingirl Member Posts: 40
    edited May 2014

    I couldn't imagine going thru all this without my dog, Jack. He's the sweetest, most gentle 100 lb German Shepherd. He just hangs out with my at my side when I'm home sick and always comes over to me and nudges me when I'm crying. He's gotten a lot more cuddly since this all started or perhaps I'm noticing because I need the cuddles more than him. 

    My counts are good. I do take precautions though. I don't clean up his poop. I wash my hands after playing or cuddling. He doesn't sleep in our bedroom, never has though. 

    I'm a strong believer in keeping life as normal as possible. The oncologist also embraces that philosophy. I asked her before I started my first treatment if I could ride my motorcycle, eat sushi, and have an occasional alcoholic beverage. She said 'why wouldn't you?'   The whole point to going through all of this is to get back to life as normal. As you choose your life to be. Whatever gets you there as whole as you were to start is what I'm doing. My dog, Jack, makes me feel whole.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited May 2014

    You guys are the best! I'm a big time fig lover and one who gets really ticked when people pay a lot if $ for a dog and there are so many in need of a good home in the shelters. I know when I go there I want to take all of them home and if I had the $ I def would! Not so much a cat lover but feel for them too. People who abuse animals have a special place in hell. 

    Diane 

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited May 2014

    haha sorry for the typo...fig lover? Dog lover of course! 

  • yensmiles
    yensmiles Member Posts: 260
    edited May 2014

    Thank you SharonDe, yes, our dogs are such blessings! 

    Golfingirl, that's inspiring.. makes me think what can i do to continue as normal even when therapy commences.. i keep thinking i've to be holed in for the next 6-12 months - truly, in my society, it is not common or "normal" to see chemo patients in public living life as normal. hmmm.. maybe i should start the trend.. 

    Diane, i feel what you say, when i visit a shelter, i want to take them home too!!! some years back i volunteered as a dog trainer at the local spca here, and thank God the two dogs i trained got adopted.. after that i decided to stop volunteering cos i don't think i've the heart to see what happens to the unadoptable ones.. plus whenever handlers are absent from their training session, 'their dogs' on recognising those of us volunteers showing up for the session, would be barking and whining to be let out for the session too.. one of the few human contact session they have. 

  • ChemicalWorld
    ChemicalWorld Member Posts: 172
    edited May 2014

    I'll be honest.  I live alone and caring for my then 14 YO dog while I was in the middle of treatment was HARD, and not really something I'd recommend to anyone going through treatment alone.  Much in the same way as getting a new animal at Christmas or Easter, I don't really think it's a great idea to get a companion animal if you are the sole caregiver.  This wasn't my case, as I'd already had mine for years, but I didn't have help with her, and you have to think about those days when you can barely take care of yourself, let alone an animal, and especially a needy one.  We got through it but it was difficult.  She was regularly incontinent, so I was often stuffing a pee-soaked bed into the washing machine or cleaning something up off the floor while I was having a really bad day after chemo.  I had days when I was in a lot of pain and could barely walk from Taxotere and cried because of these things. 

    My dog was also old, but not old enough to not need a little exercise.  It was winter, and I couldn't do much with her and she has long been the type that if she's a bit bored or senses sickness/anxiety, she'll act up.  She was still pretty spry back then. I often felt overwhelmed, TBH.  I always think "yikes" when I see anyone recommend a new animal into that kind of situation.  You never know the temperment of the dog you're getting, not fully, for starters.  You could have the big cuddly security blanket type dog who likes to sleep by your side when you're sick, or you could end up with a nervous nelly who needs a lot of attention and care.

    That said, I prepared beforehand by taking her to the vet for a thorough going-over to have her as healthy as possible.  The vet updated her shots and also recommended that I de-worm her as a precaution.  I also got her groomed close before I headed into my first chemo, to lessen cleanup.  I kept a huge bottle of hand sanitizer on the coffee table so that when she came over for an ear rub or whatnot, I would then do the hand sanitizer, which is what the vet said. 

    After my active treatment ended, my dog had to go on estrogen pills, which my vet was concerned about me handling, with my ER+ status, so she advised me to use gloves or limit contact/wash hands thoroughly etc.  She even called the pharmacy to make sure it was all ok.

  • Nettie1964
    Nettie1964 Member Posts: 759
    edited May 2014

    Yensmiles, I could NOT stand to wear my wig, only wore it for an hour or two at a time for
    special occasions or church!  Otherwise, I just wore a cap and it was quite clear under that cap that I was bald!  I just decided to be comfortable and not worry about what others thought!  And when I would get a mani/pedi, I go to the same place everytime, and I just think they knew because they really wouldn’t even put someone in the chair right next to me!  They were really great!  The only time I had someone sit next to me, was if I brought them with me, and in fact one time, my sister in law took longer picking out her color and when she came to sit next to me they were quick to tell her “no no, you sit in next chair”  lol! So I had to tell them she was with me!

    As for my immune system, not so much, I think it was strong because of the mega doses of steroids they gave me with each infusion!  I had just decided that I was going to do everything as normal as my tired self would let me!  I never even wore a mask in public, I’m too claustrophobic! I was very lucky!!

    And I never even gave a second thought to being around my animals!  We even have friends with horses and I was around them also!



  • yensmiles
    yensmiles Member Posts: 260
    edited May 2014

    Thanks ChemicalWorld for sharing your experience.. i feel for you, as I've been caring for my dogs (almost solely) all this while, unexpectedly my sister stepped in and took over most of the duties since my surgery and now we share the workload. On days when i'm really tired/sick and have a sick dog.. it does make me want to cry, so i can't imagine how much worse it is with chemo. and thanks for mentioning the hand sanitiser, i thought about it earlier, and my "pre-chemo" brain forgot till I saw it in your post!

    Nettie, you're so blessed at your regular mani/pedi place! And someone at the shop where i was buying my wig told me that wigs are hot too! Unless it's the real human hair type.. and that's just too gross for me to wear.. so lol! i'll wear the very fake hair if i need to for occasional work (am hoping i'd be strong enough for that) and maybe outings with friends though i'm planning to stay in for almost the entire duration of 6 months to a year! mmm.. i feel like bear now.. hibernating through winter soon.. 

  • kuhnkl
    kuhnkl Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2014

    All, I do not have cancer but have had a number of breast issues and biopsies and am being watched (hence lurking on the site). I wanted to chime in with a related story, however the situation is reversed. Last July my 12 year old ridgeback/shepherd mix rescue was diagnosed with lung cancer. He underwent the surgery and chemo (carboplatin) and is now 13 and 10 months out of treatment. He is doing fantastic. I know he was comforted by my being there just as we are with them. Dogs are amazing healers and great parts of the family.

  • yensmiles
    yensmiles Member Posts: 260
    edited May 2014

    awww..that's so wonderful kuhnkl, am glad that he is doing fine after surgery and chemo! :) one of mine, Toby, is suspected cushing's (which means there's a tumour in either his brain or adrenal glands), and there's no proper/reliable diagnostics here and also no experts in that kind of surgery.. so for now, we give him the best diet and supplement possible. He's the one who led me to my breast tumour (removed), as I was wondering whether his health condition could be an unconscious mirroring of mine and it made me check my health and boobs and instantly discovered the lump! Thank God for him! 

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited May 2014

    I love the dog threads. That is my girl Spookie in my avatar. Pic was taken on her 3rd birthday, just back from groomer. When my MO told me my hair WOULD fall out, I laughed and said I'd get hers trimmed and make a wig from it so we'd match. 

    She was an only dog, but small enough for me to pick up. All that hair requires care, there were times I just couldn't do it. So off to the groomer. Who happened to be fostering a min. Poodle  When I picked her up, I saw him, 3 days later he had a furever home. So there I was with 2 energetic dogs, in the middle of chemo! But they gave me a reason to get up and move a bit. They both would snuggle with me, they knew when I really felt crummy

    The only time I was told to avoid them was after I had radioactive tests. 

    Hi Netti

  • yensmiles
    yensmiles Member Posts: 260
    edited May 2014

    Hahah! hi Netti! When I saw "Spookiesmom" I immediately guessed, Spookie must be the beloved pooch! :) Awww..so nice that the m.poodle found a furever home with you and Spookie. Spookie looks so spotlessly clean!! <3

    and what's the reason for avoiding them after radioactive tests? what is this radioactive test? Is it one of those PET scans or CT scans???

  • Radical2Squared
    Radical2Squared Member Posts: 460
    edited May 2014

    Kuhnkl,

    I hope it never happens but if you do need care, I hope it's a furry friend that returns the favor!

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited May 2014

    It was the PET/CT scan, and the MUGA. They said to stay away from babies, small children, and pets. And airport security. I was given cards in case I had a problem. I guess the stuff they use is pretty potent. 

  • yensmiles
    yensmiles Member Posts: 260
    edited June 2014

    Wow, thanks for the infor Spookie's mom!! :) i'll be getting echo for the heart instead. And thus far, have been asked for PET/CT scans by two oncologist, and not asked by another two, so haha, i'm skipping it! anything i can get away not doing, i'm not doing!! :)

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