Chemo in May 2014

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  • writinghelps
    writinghelps Member Posts: 88
    edited May 2014


    Ddkath70, DH and I are looking into getting the shot shipped to the house.  The MO office gave me the impression that it can be more expensive from home. (I think they bill it at $9000! ) We live an hour away from the center I am going to too.  If it's still cheaper than driving (time + money) that's fine.  If not we'll drive.  BTW, when I went to get my first shot the finance department asked me if I wanted to participate in some program that gives a voucher that pays for anything above $25. I think normal out of pocket is about $400. And I think the program was provided by the drug mfgr of Nuelasta.  I signed up and I should still be able to get the voucher even if I get the shot shipped.

    I am on Day 7 after chemo (how do you count your days? chemo day = day 1?). Yesterday I started to spike a temp.  it didn't go above the "call the doctor" mark but it got close.  I got nervous.  Managing these SE's, trying to eat right, and rest enough feels like so much work.  And I worry so much about it. Hopefully this is newb stuff and I won't be as worried with subsequent treatment. Last night I finally just told myself "just rest", I laid down and then started a mantra for my concerns about my truncal lymphedema - "let the lymph flow, let the lymph flow".  Oddly enough my fever went down and I got some rest. I'm still swollen but not as bad and it didn't get worse. I can't wait to see the PT next week for this.

    This may sound crazy but I am not sure when I started feeling side effects.  I think I just sat behind the gun waiting for it to go off and any pain would make me jump. LOL. I think I was a little light-headed the first few days (probably from the steroids and anit-nausea - not sure I could have driven lespring but didn't want to try). My nausea never got bad.  It was the slight nausea I felt during pregnancy that a little something on my stomach would always make it go away.  None of mine have been severe (maybe a 4 or 5) but I've had a headache, toothache, earache, stomachache, backache and random pains in weird places (scalp, big toe <--wtf).  The most annoying to me as been the stomach.  I can deal with all the rest and even the stomach but if I could reduce one, it's be that one. And it changes from nausea to cramping then burping or knot in my stomach or esophagus. Just blah.

    I cut my hair short a few weeks ago. It's naturally curly. And is already getting too bushy. I went over it with the clippers today with a 1 1/4 inch clip.  I'll do it again in about a week with the 1 inch or smaller. My brother sent me some gifts cards and I went all out and paid full price for 2 hats from Free People.  LOVE that store even though it's probably a little young for me (I'm 47).  Not looking into a wig at this time.  

    My kids are tired of being home so much. We home school but are rarely "home" :-)  I've tried to explain that all our activities are "tentative" based on how I feel that day.  Thankfully we have lots of friends to chip in and DH can take off if there is a program they must be at.

    my posts get longer and longer. sorry. i'll try to work on that. 

  • Ddkath70
    Ddkath70 Member Posts: 129
    edited May 2014

    thank you for responding lespring, linda and couture911(love that name btw) - I am so encouraged by your experience with nausea. I have been driving myself batty over it. The torture! I have fibromyalgia so the aches and fatigue don't phase me one bit, it's the nausea that I have been worrying about. They gave me all the same meds I believe most of you have mentioned. The pre-meds are a customized cocktail of anti-nausea, emend, steroid, etc, as well as extra IV fluids that I asked for to help any chance of headache. Post chemo I have Decadron, Ativan, Compazine and they added Zofran to the list today but my MO said that it can create headaches and constipation so I'm saving it just in case. 

    Those that have a port, does it hurt the first time they stick you? I will 5 days post op. 

    Linda, do you go back in for the emend three days later? I was told it was given IV only - is that the case with you?

    Couture911 thanks for the tip on the Neulasta, I asked if they could please run that through my insurance and have it delivered to me for the next dose. I wish I would have worked that out before hand, but that's ok. And I have no problems finding some fat tissue to stick myself - no twig here! LOL. 

    So what I got out of my visit today was, I shouldn't be nauseous but if I am it will be mild and temporary and if not I can go back in for IV fluids and more emend, there's a very good chance that I will be constipated, need to stay hydrated, could get mouth sores stay on top of it with the biotin, eat small meals, the steroids will make me gain some weight, and I will be bald inside of three weeks - lovely! 

    My wonderful husband is out in the garage right now putting together a balloon wall for this journey. He is going to put up 84 balloons, each with an inspirational note in them and at the end of each day I get to pop it and read the note. He said he wanted me to have a way to mark off the days other than a calendar, and to look to see the progress over the course of the 12 weeks. The popped balloons will stay there so that I can see how far I've come.  He's such a sweetie - not sure what I would do without him. :)

    I can do this!!!

    Any advice on what and when to eat on the day of infusion? 

  • linda505
    linda505 Member Posts: 847
    edited May 2014

    Hi DDkath70 - I get the emend in pill form - it is packet - I take one the day of chemo when the nurses tell me and then I have two more that I take for two days.  I ate a normal meal the night before my first chemo and had a normal lunch the day of my first chemo -  I also took things to snack on while I was getting chemo - nuts and things.   

    I love the balloon thing your hubby is doing that is so sweet.  My port was about a week old and it did not hurt when they accessed it.  They did spray it with a freeze spray - I did not have any emla cream and still don't - I just have them use that freeze spray.

  • writinghelps
    writinghelps Member Posts: 88
    edited May 2014
  • noonrider
    noonrider Member Posts: 464
    edited May 2014

    Ddkath70: Umm whatever you do, do NOT read my posts about reactions to Neulasta because 1) they're not pleasant 2) they're probably not typical and 3) they will scare the shit out of you. 

    Writinghelps: weird pains. Yes. Everything. Every twinge made me jump "oh Oh, is this a new side effect? And what the hell is THAT?" My scalp was numb for several days. And yet it itched. But it was numb. I can't even explain it.

    Here's a weird one. You know that white stuff you get on your tongue? Not thrush, just the normal every day gunk stuff? Yeah, it's GONE. My tongue has nothing on it. Apparently chemo kills that stuff along with everything else. LOL My breath is probably the best its every been. GO FIGURE!

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited May 2014

    My insurance has a $29 co pay for the shipment of nuelasta I am getting on Friday morning at my home. It is a 30 day supply. I have been VERY happy with my insurance so far (knock on wood). My bill for the hospital was $1,056 and my surgeon was $450. Other bills have been from about $9.95 to $154.

    I have met my $3,000 deductible though.  

  • noonrider
    noonrider Member Posts: 464
    edited May 2014

    Day 14 today. Hoped my hair would start to fall out. (I hate my hair!) But no, instead my pubic hairs are falling out. ROFL

  • Lakegirl1
    Lakegirl1 Member Posts: 316
    edited May 2014

    Lespring...My hair started falling out today in a meeting at work.  I went to get a hat and got rear ended in the parking lot. Fortunately, the kids weren't with me, I am fine, but just the topper to a shitty day!!!  Now, I am full blown in a cold, thanks to the 6 yo.  Saw MO today, white count was 1.8, guess that explains the cold.   

    Thankfully, My job is such at I can work from home.  Wig won't be here until Friday, hat is when I can pick it up, get it trimmed etc...bright side, not going to work will keep me from having to deal with the next couple days. It will just look like I got my hair did!!!

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited May 2014

    My hair started falling out last week.  Got tired of shedding all over the house plus it hurt like crazy so I got it buzzed today. I went a beauty school, thought someone should at least learn something from my misery.  The instructor used the opportunity to show some students what to do. They were are all compassionate and they didn't charge anything.   Feels sooooo much better, plus it doesn't look as bad as I thought it would. 

    I tried on wigs at an upscale salon yesterday and fell in love with a beautiful frosted gray bob that was nicer than any hair I've ever had, but it cost $750!!!! My insurance does not cover "cranial prosthesis", so that one is out.  Tried on some more today in the $200 range.  Also making an appointment with the cancer society to see what they have.

    Round 2 tomorrow :(  

    Fingers crossed for the best, but what terrible timing. There is a stomach bug going around the school I work in,  sent a bunch home today because of vomiting.  Just what I need.

  • Lakegirl1
    Lakegirl1 Member Posts: 316
    edited May 2014

    Hair question...if you decide not to buzz, how long to fall out?

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited May 2014

    Tomorrow is my first treatment. They told me to have someone with me in case. They plan to give me some sort of cocktail with Benedryl and that makes me sleepy. Do that do that every time? I'm pretty nervous right now. Fear of the unknown! 

    I will buzz my hair - I can't stand the thought of clumps falling out.

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited May 2014

    Probably different for everyone, I was told there are a lucky few on taxatore that do not lose it all, but for me between day 15 anf 17 it became very apparent it was all going to fall out. My hair looked dead, dry and.brittle. I couldn't comb or style it, it hurt at the root. If I just lightly run my fingers through it came out. Tons came out in the shower too, so I was surprised to see how much I still have. The women at the wig fitting explained the while the hair is all dead and pulling it out is easy, it irritates the scalp and makes it sore. Leaving it long adds weight, also making it hurt. Getting it buzzed and letting your body push the dead hair out of the shaft was recommended. It feels so much better. Its still shedding like crazy, I'm guessing by next week it will be gone.

  • BooBearMay2014
    BooBearMay2014 Member Posts: 9
    edited May 2014

    Today is one week after my first chemo, I am little nauseated today but trying be positive to keep the day go faster. I started reading all the post today and I find it very therapeutic. Thank you guys for posting it makes this journey go a little bit easier. Like what my son said, I am strong and I can beat this. I am a Warrior Princess.

  • BooBearMay2014
    BooBearMay2014 Member Posts: 9
    edited May 2014

    I am little but nauseated yesterday and today I am jut wondering if anybody experienced after a week of first chemo.

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited May 2014

    My bad tummy days were days 6-9, I think a week later is not uncommon. What are you taking for nausea?

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited May 2014

    Btw, here's a pic of my buzz cut. Loving it, easy to take care of. So jealous of men now, lol.

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  • BooBearMay2014
    BooBearMay2014 Member Posts: 9
    edited May 2014

    debiann,  I'm taking Ondasetron (Zofran EQ) 8 mg and as needed Promethazine (Phenergan EQ) 25 mg.  The Phenergan I've taken 1/2 tablet since a full 25 mg knocks me out and I sleep so much.  I had just a few days of Zofran and then had an additional prescription from MO written.  If I take it every 5-6 hours, my nausea is under control.  At the chemo treatment I took the Emend 80mg and for 2 days.  I haven't thrown up, but the nausea is extremely tiring. 

  • noonrider
    noonrider Member Posts: 464
    edited May 2014

    Debiann, I LOVE my buzz cut too!!! Wash and wear was never this good before. Told my husband, "I may like it too much!" and if my hair doesn't come in better than it was before, I might just stick with this! I did get my ears pierced right before I did it. Had them done years ago but let them close. Now I like them because they make me look slightly more feminine with my shaved head. LOL Today is day 15 for me. Hair on my head firmly in place, while eye lashes and pubes are falling out. 

  • noonrider
    noonrider Member Posts: 464
    edited May 2014

    I'm also glad to see I'm not the only one wearing my port bracelet. I don't see anyone at my center wearing one. 

  • Cammychris
    Cammychris Member Posts: 99
    edited May 2014

    Hi guys!  I am not sure if I am posting in right spot but have a question.  I meet with oncologist tomorrow and am wondering if there is anyway I may not have to have chemo or is it a good probability I will have to have it?  I know we are not Doctors but am wondering others opinions on it.  Here is the info I know, again not asking for medical advice just a opinion on what everyone thinks.  I am 34 years old I have DCIS in right breast nearly 60% of breast was grade 3 dcis,  I also had 9mm of IDC in the same breast, which was grade 2.  No lymph node involvement and had a double mastectomy and I am also BRCA 2 +.  I do not have a onco type yet I am just trying to see if it is a big chance of chemo. Thanks for any advice.

  • Cammychris
    Cammychris Member Posts: 99
    edited May 2014

    I also should have added that I am ER+ PR- Her2-

  • noonrider
    noonrider Member Posts: 464
    edited May 2014

    Hmmmm I would wonder what your Oncotype test says. My nodes were not yet involved, but I can't take tamoxifen. My risk of recurrence without Tamoxifen was 25%, but the benefit of chemo was an 18, which is a gray area group of "unknown benefit". I opted for chemo. I just don't want chances again. Ever. For me, if I have a recurrence 2 years down the road I would always wish I'd done chemo this time around. 

    Whatever you decide to do will be the right decision for YOU. You can only make a decision based on the information you have available to you. Do what you think is right. 

  • Cammychris
    Cammychris Member Posts: 99
    edited May 2014

    First off thank you for responding:)  I have a another question the Oncotype is that taking from the tissue after my surgery (dmx) or is this a separate test?  I just am letting my mind wander once again, it is always at night after my children are asleep.  Thank you again.

  • Txgatata
    Txgatata Member Posts: 60
    edited May 2014

    Finishing up day 2 after round 2. Tired and have nasty reflux but managed to do tasks and walk yesterday and today. I'm not an exerciser and I don't eat the best but the walks at least every other day after dinner have helped with acid, fatigue and attitude. Hair started falling out day 14 so had a shaveabration with all my sons friends. I had cut it shorter and shorter until finally shaving which stopped the sore scalp. Other symptoms from first go round were a nasty case of thrush that made everything taste like dirt until i figured out that my tongue was fuzzy. Got an anti fungal for that and it got knocked out. Interestingly, Neulasta and chemo can make you blood sugar go up which can cause fungal infections so watch how much sugar you eat. I took off the week of treatment but worked the other two. Just make sure to rest if you need it especially if you have a long commute home. I also bought a fan that blows on me at night so I don't wake up with hot flashes. Still have to wake up to pee but I guess we can't have everything! My bad days last time were overnight on 3 and 4 with a little nausea and bone pain so hoping zofran and Vicodin before bed will help that.  Here's to more SE free days for us all!

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  • noonrider
    noonrider Member Posts: 464
    edited May 2014

    Jmanningtx, yes the oncotype is done using tissue that was already taken during your surgery or biopsies. Your oncologist can check to see if your insurance covers the test, as it is insanely expensive and there is only one lab in the country that does it. 

  • linda505
    linda505 Member Posts: 847
    edited May 2014

    Hi Cammychris - you will learn today from the MO whether the ontype test was already ordered when you had the BMX.  Hopefully it was and he/she may already have the results which will start you on the road to this decision.  If it wasn't he/she may still order it if your insurance will cover it.  SInce I was triple + my insurance would not cover it as the HER2+ factor said chemo for me - still would have like to know my oncotype score though.    Once your MO has that number he/she will talk to you about the benefits or not of chemo in your individual case.  Ask him/her those questions if that discussion doesn't happen automatically.  Also - there could be other factors in your individual case beyond the onco score that will help the MO make a recommendation for you.  Good luck with your appt today and let us know how it goes.

  • lesliecusana
    lesliecusana Member Posts: 97
    edited May 2014

    hello all just checking! Did dose #4 of T&H yesterday! Blood counts good!  Feeling good so far! Although hair is finally starting to come out! Debating on go ahead with shaving it! It's already short cut and no bald spots yet! Hum?? Also only s/e that has been regular is diarrhea! Not much change in appetite or taste :)))

  • JKLB
    JKLB Member Posts: 20
    edited May 2014

    Hello All!

    I am on day 12 of Round 1.  I have done extremely well.  Really no SE from chemo and two days of significant back pain ( I have back issues anyway) from Neulasta.  I want to share my regime in hopes it helps others.  On the recommendation of this group I took ginger capsules (after checking with MO) three days prior to chemo and three days after (2 capsules twice a day).  I began super hydrating two days prior to chemo (drinking tons of liquids (gingerale, gatoraid) and at least 10 - 12 glasses of water) and continued that through the entire week.  This water recipe was on Steve Harvey the day I got home from chemo and it has helped me feel good: 6 cups of water, 1 cucumber -sliced, 1 package of mint leaves, 1 lemon squeezed in the water and another sliced up in the water.  Highly recommend this.  You do have to get up to pee through the night, but it is worth it!   I feel strongly that the hydration helped me tremendously.

    My labs were great yesterday.  My MO said that while the chemo SE are not necessarily consistent with each treatment, that the Neulasta SE seem to be more so.  My days of pain were 6 - 8.  This time around we are going to start pain meds and muscle relaxers on day 5 to try to stay ahead of it and hope I am not completely down for two days.

    My biggest issue has been constipation.  I had to take pain meds with my port surgery which was 4 days prior to my first chemo.  I was constipated from that, then the steriods did not help it any.  I will be on a regimen of Colace and Miralax next time around starting two days prior.

    The support available to us is mindblowing!  If you have not already, please seek out Breast Cancer Resource Center, Cancer Coilition in addition to ACS.

    I just found out that the Livestrong Foundation has a 12 week exercise program in partnership with YMCA.  It is specifically for cancer patients and survivors...and their family.  It is FREE to patients and family.  We currently have a membership and will not have to pay for that membership during the program.  Pretty Cool!

    The hair thing is a little scary, but I am thankful for all your posts!  It helps!  I cut my hair shorter last weekend - myself.  I could not bring myself to pay for a haircut that would only last a week.  I picked up my "cranial prosthesis" yesterday.  It still cracks me up...it is not a wig to the insurance company.  I'm lucky...mine will pay.  I got a cute, short, highlighted wig for $240 (C&S Fashions - Dream USA) and then I got a piece that just has net at the top with hair below to wear with hats for $40.  I expect most of time I will just wear a scarf, which I have yet to purchase.

    Sending lots of positive thoughts and prayers to all!

  • JKLB
    JKLB Member Posts: 20
    edited May 2014

    Also... I love the pictures!  You all look beautiful!  I will post mine when my husband shaves my head.

  • couture911
    couture911 Member Posts: 7
    edited May 2014

    Glad to hear that everyone has been able to manage their SE so well.

    I had my port placement on Wednesday. They left a tube in there since chemo was going ot be the next day. I was in much more pain than expected that evening. Had to take Norco go get to sleep and then once every 4 hours through the night. But my last dose was at 7:30 am Thursday and I did fine from there. 

    Thusrday was chemo. Took Prilosec in the morning along w 24 hour claritin (I see this recommneded for Nuelasta, but I'm not sure how much and what days to take it). They gave me the emend tri-pack (three pills in a little folder) and I took one right away. 

    They hooked me up to IV fluids, pushed the Adriamycin, and the nurse went over more information while she did that. Then the Cytoxan when in an IV drip and once that was over she had me sit until all the IV fluids were used up. Must have been a lot of IV fluids because I was going to the bathroom nearly once an hour when I got home. I needed the ladies room right before I left the cancer center and my pee was red, like they said. But at home it has only been faintly tinged orange. Probably because I was so pumped with fluid. 

    Took 1/2 a norco plus one Compazine before bed. Slept ok, excecpt for 3 bathroom breaks overnight. 

    Took 24 hr claritin, another Emend and another Prilosec this monring.

    Just self administed the Nuelasta shot. They did not ship it to me, but the hospital pharmacy let me take it home yesterday so I can give it to myself. My copay was $35, but I see they have a program to bring it down to $25. The pharmacist gave me a packet from Neulasta that included a free digital thermometer and the discount program information. 

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