Radiation post reconstruction - anyone doing it??
I am one week in and feeling the pain! had mastectomy with lymphnode removal - expander than implant surgery February 10th. My whole left side (chest & upper arm) feels like it's in a vise grip getting tighter & tighter with each treatment.
I was excited about getting the expander out sooner & jumped at the chance when I was told more women are choosing to have the surgery before radiation. Only now am I reading & hearing about scar tissue forming around the implant & it getting rock hard. And with the tightness & pain I feel like the expander is still there!!
help! has anyone been through this recently?? I am seriously considering quitting Rads....
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Hello Notbuyingit - sorry for the long response....
I am in the same situation except my implant is permanent (saline). I had a very aggressive fill appointments due to having to start radiation. So I have double tightness.
I too read about the scar tissue but I am taking my chances. If it happens , it happens.
The very worst is I will have to have a second implant and this time I will choose silicone.
I read too much prior to surgery and scared myself silly on some issues. Knowledge is good but sometimes knowing too much is not so good.
I had two stereotactic biopsies, one core biopsy. Prior to mastectomy I had the nuclear test (painful but bearable). Then onto surgery, 14 nodes removed, then necrosis surgery after original (two weeks later). Then I developed lymphedema in hand and arm. Six physical therapy sessions later I am managing therapy on my own.
Just completed 4 out of 28 radiation sessions today.
I am 67 (almost 68) and I will finish my radiation. Would like to quit due to the scariness but will complete it. Hang in there it will get better. Loved my vicodin in the beginning but only take occasional ibuprofen now.
Like me you may have developed cording (which no one tells you about). Do your stretching exercises when you can and check out articles on the cording.
It will get better!! ((hugs))
Forgot to mention I had onoctype test score of 10 therefore declined chemotherapy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724805/
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I am doing radiation after reconstruction. My exchange surgery was on Feb 20, first radiation session on March 24. I considered doing rads first and exchange after, but decided against it. Today was my 4th session, 24 more to go. So far so good but my RO told me today that side effects usually start by the end of second week.
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you are not far behind me!! had my 10th today - it was my decision also to have reconstruction first - couldn't bear to have that expander in for 6+ more months!! they did tell me scar tissues can happen with or without the rads. I am hoping for the best ! good luck to you!
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thanks for the response! I think most of my pain & tightness is coming form my underarm where the lyphms were removed - i had 15 total out - 8 cancerous - thus the rads for me
I did have the chemo - 6 cycles & have Herceptin for a year every 3 weeks til Sept. Worrisome because both that & the Rads are tough on the heart.
I am 57 (going on 100 since this started!) still working...feeling much better all around except for some nueropathy in my feet. I think that's why i fought the rads - not wanting to go down the rabbit hole again - but one more month...i will fight to keep myself going!!
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Hi Notbuyingit, we are in fact very close on more than one parameters, including age - I am 55, nodes involvement and timing. I worked through six months of chemo and continue working through rad treatment. I do have a tiny bit of neuropathy and edema in my left foot from taxol but it has been only ten weeks since my last chemo session.
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hello! 2 weeks of rads done - armpit feels like the expander is back in
are you feeling anything like that? the nueropathy is the hardest thing to deal with working since most of the time I am on my feet - they say it will go away but no sign of that so far....frustrating that there is nothing to be done about it.
I was Her2 positive so I am still on the Hercetin til September - apparently that's rare with lobular. how was your chemo? I had treatments on Weds - was down by the weekend & took Mon & Tuesdays off the last 3.... hated the steriods & really hated the taste in your mouth that made everything taste like cardboard!
hang in there!!
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My neuropathy is almost gone, I just have a swollen left ankle - by the end of day. I found that regular simple exercise and anything that improves blood circulation eases neuropathy feeling. I also use a sports massager on my feet and arms regularly. I will find and post here the link to a very good podcast re neuropathy.
I do feel tightness in the radiated area gradually increasing, but I am a week behind you and it is not bothering me much yet. I try to do mild stretching exercises every evening in the hope of preserving my range of motion through rads treatment. My surgeon whom I saw for post-mastectomy follow-up warned me that I would need to work on range of motion after rads the same way I did after mastectomy. So I assume the feeling you are describing is to be expected.
I am Her2 negative, so my chemo was different. I had four AC treatments followed by 12 taxols. I did infusions on Thursdays, took Fridays off while on AC and worked from home on Fridays while on taxol. I started Anastrozole three weeks ago.
Good luck to you next week!
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agreed on the exercise for both problems - i have pretty good range of motion so i don't want to lose it
the nueropathy is mostly in my toes so I am constantly wiggling them
the massager sounds like a good idea - had one deep tissue actual massage - told my kids that's what I wanted for birthday - it was heaven! I also am trying the acupuncture next week - we are taking our spring vacation to Florida in May so that is my short term motivation.
I would appreciate the link for more info
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Hi Notbuyingit, below is the link. Listen to the audio, it's a pretty good overview and I think everyone can find useful tips to try.
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thanks, Muska - I am doing 6 wks (2 down!) every week day am - what about u? do u have to travel far? they have patients scheduled every 15 minutes... i find it very scary - young girls administering it...hoping everyone is on top of their game ha!! drop your top & let's get to it! what we have been through!!
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Hi Notbuyingit, I am doing 28 sessions - initially, was told about 30, which was later reduced to 28 during planning. I am a week behind you and have done the first five only so far. The hospital is close to both work and home and I can get there at any time if needed. I do rads at the end of day and on my way home. Appointments are 12 (!) minutes and the technicians are mostly girls younger than my own kids.
I work in high tech quality assurance and am somewhat disappointed with a lack of transparency into the planning and the process itself. It was striking especially after chemo where they do not do start your infusion until you check the drug's paperwork and agree. Here you do not get any info upfront unless you ask and you have very few opportunities to ask. No info is accessible online, not even appointments schedule. I do not understand why they cannot publish treatment plan's summary, i.e. dosage, number of sessions, etc before the treatment starts and explain key technical details - at least to those who want to listen. Something similar to radiology reports. I tried raising this question to my RO but we obviously look at this from different angles. I was told they have multiple controls in place, etc and there is no reason to worry. Of course I could have insisted and would have likely gotten the information but I wonder why this information is not given upfront.
I will certainly summarize my impressions of the process and write a review at the end of my treatment - the hospital asks for feedback and I will provide it. Don't get me wrong - so far everything has been going well and I have no reason to complain about the treatment. I am just not happy about patients not having enough transparency into treatment plans and other processes and procedures. I do understand I may be biased because of my professional experience and there might be viable explanations that I am simply not aware of.
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Cancer center is reasonable close - about 1/2 hr from home - 15-20 minutes from work. I had planned to do them after work but the latest they could give me was 3:15! i was amazed that they didn't offer after work slots but was told that most people prefer early morning & they have to go with the majority & can only run an 8 hr day. So off I go @ 7:15am & find ways to waste time in town (Kohls opens @ 8 ha!) till my work shift starts.
I agree that I definitely don't feel as confident in quality control etc as I did with chemo treatments. I didn't know until i asked that they actually were shooting in 4 different directions each time - not just one. And that my back may be affected as well. They do take film once a week to supposedly make sure their aim is true...have only met with my RO once since starting - he was out of the office last week - but i find the techs are much more willing to answer questions ( if you can get them in in the ten minutes your there )
definitely plan on being aggressive about getting the next phase of lotion - what they gave me so far seems to just be a regular dry skin lotion, but i pile it on
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muska - saw doc today (every Tuesday) he says I should be putting the lotion on 3-4 times a day - had been previously told by nurse @ bedtime & after treatment was enough. Underarm is really getting red - other than that not bad - either the tightness is getting better or i'm just getting used to it
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Hi Notbuyingit, how are you doing after three weeks? My radiated breast got pink and painful yesterday for the first time. I can't say I am looking forward to next week. :-)
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me either!!! chest is tight again - some redness all over - actually getting freckles - great. Putting lotion on like crazy - got some AquaPhor that someone had suggested - not waiting til they decide i need a step up
felt like i should get a balloon or something...good luck next week!
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muska!! how is it going? i have been doing some frustration posting! you are the only one i know who is post-reconstruction so i'm wondering how it's going...poor little new boobies
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Hi Notbuyingit, it's going fine so far but I am a week behind you so I just crossed the midpoint and still have 13 more to go. Got a little rosy by last week end but managed to recover over the weekend, will see what this week brings. So far no peeling or pain.
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awesome! you are doing good! i am doing some peeling under my arm - but like when you get a sunburn - it turns that brown almost dirty-looking & then peels - they say it is normal & bumped me up to an emulsion cream for that area. Good news is it looks like it's lightening my lymph removal scar
9 more for me! trying to hang in there! good luck!
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Hi Notbuyingit, how are you doing? Ready for the finish line?
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hanging in there!! so far, so is my skin
lotioning up every chance i get - new "breast" feels tight still - kind of swollen feeling - the Doc says it will calm down after i'm done - sure hope so.
one more week & it will be full on RECOVERY time!! can't wait
you are not far behind me!! hope you are taking it well
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Hello just thought I would share my story. I too wanted the TE out and went to implants before Rads. BIG MISTAKE for me. I got pretty burned in my Rads treatments. In fact the last week I threatened to quit!! After I healed up I noticed my implant shrinking. I went to PS and he decided to do a Lat Flap surgery. It was HELL on me and I am 8 weeks post op and still in pain. My implant is getting hard again and PS says not much he can do at this point. I feel I rushed this entire process, even the Lat Flap surgery. I don't think there is anything else I can do at this point but live with the hard implant and hope the pain in my arm and back gets better. Good luck to you all with your reconstruction I pray you all have success.................
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not good, tangles!! so far mine is looking good - have some burning & peeling underneath that is painful & tight but the doc said yesterday he thought it came through better than he expected (whatever that means) I threatened to quit twice!! he said he was glad to see me smile & i said it was only because i only have 3 left!! hope & pray my "boobie" hangs in there!! no pun intended lol
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Hi Notbuyingit, I am done with radiation! Most sensitive spots turned out to be above the clavicle and in the armpit. Now just hoping there will be no significant contracture of the tissue...
I will see my PS for a follow up in about three months and will update this thread then.
How are you doing?
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yea!!! skin is healing nicely - one tough spot at the back of my arm pit...still tight tho - specially in the suture area where breast meets under my arm - the lymph scar is there as well & the drain scars, so i'm assuming that's why - i have an area of hard scarring i can feel there. I too am hoping there is none of the collasping that i have read of. So far tho the skin still looks good and is still soft. Are you doing the nipple reconstruct? I will meet also with my surgeon in June.
we have made it through the "winter" , bring on new life!! heal well & keep me posted!!
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I had nipple sparing mastectomy, so I don't need to do anything about the nipples.
Have a great vacation in Florida!
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Muska~ how goes it? just perused the Rads board - lots of people bravely posting pictures!
i am amazed at how quickly my skin healed! had a great vacation - actually swam in both house pool & ocean & felt that it was a great benefit to loosening up under my arm - wish i had a pool here to go to...
so far no bad reactions in the new "breast" - still tight under the arm but i have feeling that is from the node incisions not the rads
will just keep up the stretches & hope for the best.
sooo glad we made it through - now just another distant nightmare
Onc wanted to start me on the hormonal daily(can't think of the name) but i'm stalling til after my daughter's wedding Jul 5
hope you're doing well
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Did anyone have radiation with a TE? Any issues?
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i could not wait to have my TE out!! so i opted to have the swap out before radiation (left side only)
after hearing multiple horror stories about what the Rads would do to my new "breast" - it came through it just fine
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Hi Clarrn, radiation is often done while TEs are still in. Your PS knows best what is likely to work better in your situation. If you do rads while TEs are in you will have to wait longer for the exchange surgery and the healing after exchange will be longer/riskier. If you do exchange surgery before rads cosmetic results might not be as good. I did a lot of research and consulted with more than one specialists before deciding to have TEs exchanged for permanent implants before rads. A lot depends on your medical history e.g. whether you had any infections since TEs were put in - radiation may trigger the return of infections.
Like notbuyingit I completed rads with permanent implant in a month ago and so far everything looks pretty good, however changes in the radiated breast do not appear immediately so the situation may still change. But I am not expecting a perfect cosmetic outcome in the first place, I am happy with a good outcome.
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I had my exchange first then Rads. My results were not good so did a LAD flap surgery in Feb. Results still not great but better.PS could not get rid of ALL the radiated skin so end result is it still is somewhat encapsulated. Very frustrated. Headed in to my next surgery July 2nd for some revisions to see if we can just make things look a little better. At some point though I guess I need to just accept that it will not look perfect and my hopes of not having to ever wear a bra again are probably also not going to happen:-(
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