Calling all triple negative breast cancer patients in the UK
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Yes mainly bone pain, sometimes severe. Then there were the two friends who just needed Tylenol.
I also had Benadryl with EC but nothing with Taxol. No problem. Slightly tired at infusions 10-12 but driving myself, no prob. My husband loved going along because my chemo was fun fun fun but I could do the driving to get home! I'm so lucky that I had such a great experience in chemo...who would think rip roaring fun at chemo in Germany?!
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Hello Susan and Mary
I was glad to see you communicating with each other over your chemotherapy experiences. That is what the thread is all about.
Reading your posts, Mary, I have got a bit confused about which taxane you are actually having. In your details you say you had paclitaxel (Taxol) but then you mentioned docetaxel (Taxotere) in your post. Which one are you having or have you had both? Both taxane drugs come from different pine trees and the Taxol comes from the native American one and the Taxotere from the European one.
I had Taxotere for the second half of my chemotherapy, four sessions and my oncologist told me that Taxotere was less harmful on the heart. I had no problems with it, except for a slight metallic taste in my mouth. I took no kind of pain killers during any of my treatment and became aware of slight numbness in my feet during radiotherapy. This was later diagnosed as neuropathy. The oncologist and a podiatrist told me there is no cure. It does not bother me most of the time.
Let us know the date of your next chemotherapy treatment and I am keeping my fingers crossed that all will go well for you.
The sun is shining today here in Exmouth and it is quite warm.
Fond thoughts.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello everyone,
I am just popping to say hello and to wish you all a happy and relaxing weekend.
The weather is lovely here in Exmouth with enough sun to enable people to top up there vitamin D.
Please keep the thread going.
Thinking of you all.
Sylvia.
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Hi, Sylvia......sorry for the confusion. I will be getting the Taxotere, and that's what I had the first chemo treatment before they switched me to the AC.
I talked to a nurse for some time yesterday about the benefits of weekly Taxotere versus the 3 dose-3 week apart method. She said side effects are the same, it just builds more slowly in the weekly. Thus the weekly is somewhat easier for a lot of people. She also suggested doing one of the full-dose Taxotere and waiting 3 weeks, if it is too harsh then go to the weekly. I might do that, it would save a lot of driving if I could do it that way.
I had another lab drawn yesterday to see if my very low blood counts of last week had resolved. They have bounced back very well, I was surprised at the numbers. That will give me more confidence going into my next chemo next Wednesday, the 21.
I am glad you have the sunshine in Exmouth, I have heard that Vitamin D is very good for fighting cancer, so bring it on!
Have a great weekend, talk to you soon, Mary
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Hello Mary,
It was nice to hear from you. Thank you for clearing up my confusion.
I think it is quite unusual to start chemotherapy with docetaxel (Taxotere) but perhaps things have changed. Reading many posts over the years it seems common to start with either doxorubicin (Adriamycin) or epirubicin (Ellence) with cyclophosphamide (Cytoxan). It all gets confusing because the letters they uses are sometimes those of the generic drug and sometimes the brand name.
I know that Taxotere and Taxol are the newer drugs and the others are considered the older drugs.
I do hope you will be fine on May 21st when you have your next chemotherapy. I shall be thinking of you.
From my experience on this thread women have definitely said they found the weekly regime easier. I remember Mumtobe starting chemotherapy, if I remember correctly, and then having a pause to have a baby and then going on the weekly regime. She did get through all this, had a lovely baby called Emma. She no longer posts but I do hope she is out there enjoying life.
You too will get to the end of this.
Please let me know how you get on.
I was glad to know that your blood counts had bounced back and I can understand how this makes you feel more confident for your next session. I think it is good to go with a positive attitude telling yourself that you will be alright and blocking out all the possible side effects that can happen and especially blocking out what has happened to others. We are all individual and unique and we should not compare ourselves to others.
When I went through treatment I was not part of any group, local or on line, and so I could not compare myself to anyone else, so I went in with a clean slate as it were. I was not really told about side effects and just read the bits of information given on leaflets at the hospital. It was all pretty basic. What I think is important is to steer clear of crowded places and anyone from whom you might pick up something, as your immune system is very low and makes you very vulnerable.
I do hope your husband is picking up a bit.
Best wishes to both of you.
Fond thoughts.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello adagio
Just sending best wishes to you on Victoria Day on Monday. I always enjoyed that day. It was the mad rush to plant out gardens for the summer. I had a large garden in Ottawa and really loved picking out the summer shrubs and all the flowers. In London, Ontario, it was much smaller, but I made it into a real showpiece. Today I have been planting summer flowers in the grounds of our apartment complex.
Thinking of you and sending best wishes.
Sylvia xxxx
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Sylvia......I think I have been confusing again! My first treatment was with the triple-drug; Adriamycin, Cytoxan and Taxotere. After I landed in the hospital with the febrile neutropenia they gave me Ariamycin and Cytoxan without the Taxotere for the next 2 treatments. I will have one more of those, then I will start on the Taxotere alone.
I am surprised that the pregnant woman, Mumtobe, would be given chemotherapy. I am glad all turned out well for her with a lovely baby.
I see you have a green thumb and enjoy planting flowers and beautifying the landscape. I do as well, I was sad to see a couple of my rosebushes did not survive our especially harsh winter. They were not overly strong going into it though, and I don't have a particularly green thumb when it comes to rosebushes! I usually plant a large vegetable garden, I did not this year because I didn't think I would be able to keep up with the maintenance on it. So the garden is having a rest but I have noticed it has been taken over by what we call lambs-quarters. It is a weed but a very delicious one; I plan on picking some and cooking it soon. My asparagus bed is somewhat care-free, it comes back on its' own every year. My brother did spread some good compost over it which always makes it very happy! I will probably not plant many flowers this spring, I have been trying to maintain what is already there. Spring is such a wonderful time of year though, I always enjoy seeing how things came through the winter. 2 plants that always amaze me with their toughness and ease of care are the hostas and the hellebore.
My husband had a little pick-me-up this week. The kidney doc told him his lab numbers have improved a little bit. Any improvement delays going on the dialysis, that has become his goal, to continue the delay!
Talk to you soon, Mary
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Hello Mary
Thank you for your post.
I do hope everything will go well on Wednesday May 21st and that you can put that part of your treatment behind you. I do hope that all will go well when you start the Taxotere on its own. When you finish on Wednesday you will be half way through so just keep looking ahead.
Yes, I do like gardening and I find it very therapeutic. Think of getting yourself through your treatment this year and look forward to doing some gardening for next year. I was interested that you mentioned a weed called lambs-quarters that is delicious to eat. It sounds something that is sold in the supermarkets here and is sold as lambs lettuce and eaten raw. It appeared on the shelves a few years ago and comes from France. I buy it quite often and use it instead of ordinary lettuce. It is a bit like watercress with small rounded green leaves on little stalks but I find it easier to eat than watercress.
I was also interested that you mentioned hostas. They are very hardy indeed and I used to have quite a few of them in my garden in Ottawa. They always survived the bitterly cold winters there and were quite a showy plant with their lovely big leaves and showy mauve flowers. I am not so familiar with hellebore but looked them up in my gardening book and shall look out for them at the nursery. Gardening where I live is not quite the same as having my own garden, because I live in an apartment complex with quite extensive grounds. I do a lot in these grounds in maintaining the beds and people are always saying how lovely everything looks.
I was glad to know that your husband has picked up a little. That must help you a lot with all that you are going through yourself.
Take care and think beyond Wednesday when that chemotherapy will be behind you.
Tomorrow it will be 8 years and 11 months since I was diagnosed.
Sending you fond thoughts.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello Susaninicking (Susan)
I am just popping in to say I was wondering how you got on with your mammogram on May 19th. I usually get told straight after the mammogram when I go for mine.
Thinking of you.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello Carolben
We have not heard from you in a while and I just wanted to say that I hope the Xeloda is still keeping you stable and that you are in good spirits.
Sending fond thoughts.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello sam52
I miss hearing from you and just wanted to say that I hope all is well.
Half term begins here in Devon at the end of this week. If it is the same in London, I hope you have a good rest.
Love.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello,my user name is runningrivers..i am 56 i was 54 when diagnosed .i also am a triple negative,111c i had three tumors ranging from 6..5cm _4.4 cm 3.5 and 35 lyp nodes remover, three large in side 1.2,-1.2 ,-2.3 all three positive growth like ..i worked at the Oil Refinary exposed to that environment ... i had the gene testing with relief it dose not run in my family...no dough in my mind i was exposed through the oil plant...witch enhanced the cancer...i did go with the aggressive Chemotherapy and Radiation ..i am dealing with congestive heart frailer and liver problems i have black in my lungs doing more test...i don't smoke.health conscious .. 2 1/2 years cancer free today I am a survivor ,I live in .California USA up in the Kern mountain ..when i was not working ," like you i also would like to meet other people around the world i am looking to find the root of ,not just a cure and better treatment i am happy to read meet you have a blessed jounery
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Hello InspiredbyDolce (Debra)
I have not seen you posting anywhere lately and just hope that all is well with you.
Thinking of you.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello Gill,
I hope you had a good holiday in Turkey and that all is well.
To Norma, Michael, linali (Lindsay) and Peterandliz,
I hope all is well with all of you.
Fond thoughts.
Sylvia xxxx
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A quick note to say that I PASSED my first post-treatment mammogram
I have two areas of huge hematomas that look way scarier in the pictures than the tumors that tried to kill me, so I have another mammo in 3 months just for safety. I had a huge exam that took forever and I have a terrific doctor in radiology who really works and tries hard...you can watch it as she stares at the pictures and does her computer radiology thing. She thinks all is in order.
Saw my chemo nurses today. The funniest one ran out and hugged my husband and ignored me! A funny moment.
PHEW, PHEW, PHEW, I'm off on vacation with a girlfriend, huge fun coming up!
Ladies, keep up the good fight!
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Sylvia - thanks for your warm thoughts. I did have a lovely Victoria Day weekend and am happy to say that my garden looks fabulous, especially the vegetables - lots of kale, chard, parsley, arugula, lettuce all ready for picking and eating - yum!! I have my hanging baskets out. And my flowers are all in their containers - all very colourful indeed! My weekend was somewhat marred by the passing away of my sister in England . She took a turn for the worse and went very quickly in the end - she had just over 2 months from diagnosis to death - it is a shock for sure. She was in a lot of pain, but I gather the nurses were wonderful with her. I was fortunate to talk with her just a few days before she died, and she had her 2 daughters and her husband with her when she died which is exactly what she wanted. Life is so very fragile!
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Hello Sylvia
Just popping in to say thank you for your good wishes and to let you know all is fine with me.
I did have a bit of a wobble to discover one of the lovely carers who looks after my Mum has had her breast cancer return and she is now terminally ill. She is an especially lovely person with two young children. It seems such a sad contrast when I consider how kind and caring she has been to my 84 year old mother, who has had a long and happy life, when her own young life is now in jeopardy. I suppose for all of us it is thought provoking when other ladies with similar diagnosis to ourselves have their illness return.
Apart from that I am well, out walking with the dogs in the lovely weather, supporting the children in my class through SATS, and trying to resume my life giving less time to cancer. Half of me feels I should stop visiting cancer sites and all things connected with it to help me get on with things yet I know I would miss the mutual understanding and support we all offer each other.
Good news about my friend with the arm infiltrated by chemo - nearly back to normal texture again and only 2 more Taxotere to go and she's finished with chemo. Surgery planned for mid July. Time flies!
Love Norma x
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Hello Susan
I was glad to know all went well with your mammogram and hope that all will be well as well in three months time.
I hope you have a good vacation with your girlfriend.
We just have Mary posting now who is going through chemo, so we do need to support her through this and to the end of her treatment.
For the first time since starting the thread we have no newly diagnosed women posting. In a way that is good news, if fewer women are being diagnosed, but not so good if they are doing all this alone.
Take care.
Fond thoughts.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello adagio
I was glad to know that you had an enjoyable Victoria Day. With all those vegetables you are growing you are bound to be on a healthy diet.
I was so very sorry to hear that your sister had died. That must have been very hard for you and the rest of the family. This cancer business is so awful and it seems to be unrelenting. We are told there is all this wonderful research going on and great progress being made, but far too many people are getting the disease and too many people dying from it. there has to be something very wrong with our bodies for so many people to be getting cancer of all kinds and younger and younger people. A young boy has been much in the news recently. He was dying of bowel cancer at age 19 and in a short time raised £3 million for cancer but died last week.
I still think there should be much more emphasis on prevention than treatment. After all, the treatment itself can cause cancer. Here I have one neighbour going through chemo for metastatic breast cancer, triple positive. Another had melanoma cancer 13 years ago but I has just come back after all those years.
My own brother died in 1995, age 56, of disseminated adeno-carcinoma with the primary unknown. He was diagnosed September 18th of that year and was dead by October 21st of that year. it was a terrible shock.
Thinking of you and wishing you all the very best.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello Norma
It was nice to hear from you and I was so sorry to hear about what is happening to the young woman who takes care of your mother. It is so sad to hear of breast cancer in young women with young children who should have their whole life in front of them. I do hope she will get good care and that she will be able to live for a very long time with treatment. Has the cancer spread or is it a local recurrence? You said she was young so I was wondering whether she is triple negative and whether she has any of the faulty BRCA genes. I would be interested to know how she is treated for this recurrence.
It certainly shakes you up when you hear of cancer coming back in people. I know it frightens me and makes me wonder how I would cope if it happened to me after nine years since diagnosis on June 20th this year.
I can understand that you just want to get on with your life and stop visiting cancer sites. It is a difficult decision because there are people out there who need support through treatment and we know how much they can benefit from this.
I am glad that all is well with your friend who had that horrific experience during her treatment.
Keep well.
Fond thoughts.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello runningrivers,
I was just going back through the most recent posts and discovered yours.
First of all, a very warm welcome to our thread. There are some very interesting, informed and compassionate women on this thread and we all welcome you.
I read your post with great interest and took in the details about your particular case.
I was glad to read that you have got through your chemotherapy and radiotherapy successfully. Well done. I would be interested to know what chemotherapy drugs you had and it is always useful to add them to your details at the bottom of your posts.
You must have been relieved to know that you tested negative for the faulty genes.
I was interested to know that you worked at an oil refinery and it is very possible that such an
environment was very bad for your health and quite possibly a risk factor in the development of your breast cancer. We are told the three main causes of breast cancer are lifestyle, lack of exercise and chemicals and toxins in the environment.I was sorry to read that you are dealing with congestive heart failure, liver problems and that you have black on your lungs. Have you been told what the experts think were the causes of these problems? I would be very interested to know.
Congratulations on being a cancer survivor and being two and a half years cancer free. Out of interest are you counting from diagnosis or end of standard treatment?
It is sad when people like us who do not smoke and are health conscious end up with breast cancer. There are many of us in that situation.
I think we are all searching for the causes of cancer, but the whole emphasis is on treatment, not prevention. We are told there are many risk factors but at the same time we are told that the risk factors did not necessarily cause our cancer.
Take care and look forward to hearing from you again.
Sending greetings to you over in California.
Sylvia xxxx
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Dear Sylvia
Thank you for your reply and making sense of my feelings. Just to answer your question about the Carers cancer - I have had a long talk with her in the past (some while before this latest news) and from what she has told me she does not have TN as she was treated with Tamoxifen. She had her first bout 7 years ago and apparently a very large tumour (over 5 cm) and extensive nodal involvement (10 positive nodes). That seems a lot but that is what she told me. She had bilateral mastectomy as her mother died of breast cancer when she was a teenager. It would appear there is a hereditary link but she did not mention BRCA genes. I don't know her exact age but would place her late thirties. She had complained to my mum for some while of back ache and then didn't come to mum for a couple of weeks as sick. It was a shock to discover from the other Carers at the agency that she was sent for a scan and the results were extensive cancer returned to her spine and told she was terminal. They have not given her a time scale. (I thought, perhaps wrongly, that bone mets could be treated for some while?).
Anyway, that's all I know. She will not be returning to look after Mum and I hope the other Carers keep us up to date with Her position.
Love Norma x
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Hello Norma, thank you for your post and the information about your mother's carer. This is such a sad story. She will definitely not be TNBC if she has been on tamoxifen as that is for hormonal breast cancer. I wonder whether she was Her2 positive, as that is very aggressive. Some say triple positive receptor status is worse than triple negative. Of course we do not know what type of breast cancer she had and whether it was one of the harder to treat breast cancers.
I wonder whether she requested to get tested genetically for Brca1 or Brca2 genes. Not all family members are always affected.
I do think it is wrong to call stage1V breast cancer terminal, as it makes a person feel that they are about to die, when in fact you can live for years with this stage. What it means is it cannot be cured,, but then I do not believe cancer can be cured. It can come back anytime and spread. I would never say that I am cured or that I have beaten cancer.
We all have to live the day and never take anything for granted.
Keep happy and enjoy the day.
Fond thoughts,
Sylvia xxxx
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Dear Sylvia
I am sad you don't think cancer can be cured! I really do believe it is possible to cure some, though not all, cancers. I don't think they actually know how to definately cure cancer - but the treatment sometimes cures, if you get my drift! I strongly feel that if surgery successfully removes all cancer cells and no micrometastases have escaped through lymph node or vascular pathways then there is a strong chance of cure. As always early diagnosis is the key before infiltration has occurred.
When I had my initial meetings with my Oncologist and Breast Surgeon both said to me they were 'going for cure in early breast cancer'. I was very surprised to hear 'cure' as I really had little hope in the early days of shock. I questioned it and both elaborated there was a strong chance of cure with effective treatment. My Surgeon told me I had no lympho-vascular invasion and my lymph glands had done their job trapping the 1 micromet that had travelled to a sentinel node. This could have been dispersed there during biopsies or surgery itself.
I really believe that if I survive event free for another 5 years (2.5 years out now) that I am cured - as I am sure you are Sylvia with your excellent cancer free time difference.
I have to have this hope - it keeps me going!
Love Norma x
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Hello Norma,
Even though I do not believe in a cure for cancer at the moment, it does not affect my everyday life in any way. I live normally, take care of myself when it comes to diet and keeping active, but take nothing for granted. There are so many cases of breast cancer where there is recurrence years and years after being in remission. It is difficult to say why this happens because we do not know the individual circumstances of people. There are still too many people dying of cancer and that includes breast cancer. I was reading my local paper yesterday and there was an article staring me in the face of a local woman in Exmouth who has just died of breast cancer at age 55. I had to ask myself why?
At my hospital in Exeter I do not recall ever having heard my oncologist, breast cancer surgeon or breast cancer nurse, three remarkable women, use the word 'cure' in any context. They would say 'no visible evidence of disease'. In fact, my breast cancer nurse, with whom I spoke quite a bit, told me that the medical staff did not use the word 'remission' and that it was a word used by patients.
I truly live for the day and do not focus on tomorrow.
I hear a lot of discussion about statistics and percentages on these threads, but I have never taken any notice of them. No one at the hospital has ever spoken to me about these either. When I was first diagnosed and saw the breast cancer surgeon first of all, she said that because I did not have hormonal receptor status and that tamoxifen was no good for me, that the prognosis was poor. I just chose to get on with my treatment and here I am nearly nine years later.
If you have managed to obtain the book 'B is for Breast Cancer - from anxiety to recovery and everything in between - a beginners guide' by Christine Hamill, have a look at S for Statistics, pages 165 to 169. It will make you laugh, amuse and inform you, all at the same time.
At the end of the section there is some useful information. It is as follows.
In the 1970s around five in ten women with breast cancer survived the disease beyond five years; now it is more than eight in ten.
Women diagnosed with breast cancer are now twice as likely to survive their disease for at least ten years than those diagnosed forty years ago.
Almost two in three women with breast cancer now survive their disease beyond twenty years*. (* Figures from http://www.cancerresearch.org)
I hope you have a good Bank Holiday weekend and do something that you enjoy. It has been a very busy week for me, but the most enjoyable day was having lunch with one of my nieces whom I had not seen for four years.
The weather does not look good for the weekend, but that is the UK for you.
Fond thoughts.
Sylvia xxxx
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Hello everyone,
I am just popping in to wish everyone a good weekend. I hope, Mary, that you are recovering from your chemo and I hope that you, Carolben, are still doing well. I do get concerned when I do not hear from those of you going through treatment.
Best wishes to Jackpot (Gill), chatterbox (Michael), adagio, linali (Lindsay), susaninicking (Susan), InspiredbyDolce (Debra), peterandliz, sam52 and runningrivers.
The views are still going well on the thread but not enough posts.
I would love to hear from any of you that are newly diagnosed.
Fond thoughts.
Sylvia
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Just diagnosed with triple neg and devastated. It's 10 cms.
How big was yours, that's what I am really worried about as well as the spreading.
Thanks,
Mary
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Mary - so sorry that you have to join this group, but you will get lots of information here which will help you on the journey you are about to embark on. Once you have a plan in action things will be easier for you. The early days are really tough because it is such a shock. I recall well when I was first diagnosed - I thought my world had come to an end, but here I am doing fine, and have met many fine women on this thread along the way. Let us know what treatment you will be having. Have you had surgery yet? Take care and remember you are not alone - we will be here to answer questions and support you.
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Dear Sylvia
We do seem to have been told different things by our Medical Teams don't we? It must have been devastating to be told your prognosis was not good. I was never told this. Although they never sugar coated things and talked about a recurrence risk somewhere around 30% they gave me hope, and the word 'cure' was a powerful one for me. I wonder if the fact that you are 9 years out and I only 2.5 years out may have a bearing on things? Maybe 9 years ago there was not the up to date data, maybe at that time TN was the dreaded one (and still is to some extent). Maybe there is progress in early detection making survival more attainable.
I was sure I had read that if TN was to recur it would do so sooner rather than later, and that late relapses (from 8years out) were rare. It seems that we do not have a lifetime risk of recurrence like the other strains. You have done so well Sylvia, turning a poor prognosis into what I would call a healthy survivor with every reason to be optimistic it will never return. I suppose it is the mental legacy of cancer that leaves us jittery, I myself do get very panicky sometimes over little aches and pains. That's when I try to remember the 'cure' word! From the figures you duplicated it would seem there is a year on year improvement in survival so I shall try to home in on that. Have a great long weekend.
Welcome Mary Margarethope, it is devastating to have a TN diagnosis, or any other cancer diagnosis, but I am sure the information and support you receive here will help you, TN tumours are often large it would appear, and sometimes this largeness does not correlate with nodal involvement. In other words this aggressive cancer does not always act aggressively. Good luck with all your treatment - you WILL come through, there is light!
Love Norma x
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Hi Sylvia,
I am up early as I want to make the most of the time that my sister from London is here. We had a lovely day yesterday wandering around a wet Ennis looking for emerald green shoes, not to be got,lunch and followed by a visit to the sea.
Today we are going to the Slow Food festival in Lisdoonvarna, a walk in the Burren and then putting flowers in the sea at Ballyvaughan where we scattered some of Mum's ashes.
Kerry and Oskar have gone home and she will return to work on Tuesday. She has an appointment in 6 weeks and she has many questions to ask about her miscarriages. I hope for her peace of mind that she gets some answers.
I have been following the conversations about recurrence and prognosis etc and consider myself to be so lucky to be still having counselling through the centre as I know that I had many issues to resolve around those fears. I think that going to the centre has it pluses and minuses.
Recently there have been quite a few people who sadly have had recurrence,. It can make you very fearful of your own future but on the other hand a reminder to make the best of your life. It may sound like a cliche and not always possible but through the counselling I have hopefully become more accepting and content and better able to deal with the bad stuff.
Also it is encouraging to see that there are options and more treatments and that the consultants will explore everything.
I am finishing my course on Monday and on Tuesday I am taking part in a 6 week program called Aging With Confidence. this will be at the centre and is for over 55s.
I am off to Turkey on the 14th of June and looking forward to that.
Welcome to Mary. This has been a major source of support for me especially when I finished treatment. I only wish that I had found it sooner because it would have given me more knowledge and confidence when going through treatment and dealing with the medical profession. It is so good to connect with others who have TN as it was very daunting to be given the news that your cancer is very aggressive and then to discover that there was no other supporting medication after treatment was over.Now with the help of this thread I understand more.It is like an invisible supporting hand.I felt so alone.
Good luck to all of those going through treatment.
I must go now to make a raspberry and cream cake for dessert as they say naughty but nice.
Enjoy the rest of the Bank holiday.
Our election results will be in today, Labour have lost support whilst Sinn Fein have gained. I am not sure if the female representation has increased.
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