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  • kareenie
    kareenie Member Posts: 339
    edited May 2014

    sassy how about posting your research in one place eg insurance and financial for the info on financial aid from drug companies. then just post a link on a few other selected threads. win win. no spam, the info is there for tose who might be interested.

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    Kareenie, that's a viable option.  Wish I had done a thread after I did Just Diagnosed thread. That was a question answer thingy. I have Good stuff all over the boards. I developed instructions for how to make a storage thread . Instructions are on JD-GP.  Thanks for joining the discussion

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    Kareenie there is the issue of "sole discretion". Sole discretion and freedom of speech cannot co-exist. They are mutually exclusive. A 501c3 has to follow the rules to obtain tax and keep tax exempt status. This isn't being done.  :)

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  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited May 2014

    Being a 501c3 simply means that BC.org is a non-profit organization.  There are rules that BC.org have to follow to comply with being a 501c3 but these rules have nothing to do with how we on the BC.org Discussion Board communicate.  The 501c3 rules and regulations also have nothing to do with freedom of speech. Churches are 501c3s, after all, and no one would suggest that churches are bastions of freedom of speech.  There is no reason why a 501c3 public charity can't have sole discretion in how people communicate on a website that they have set up, fund, control and manage.

    This is BC.org's website. We participate at their discretion. They get to make the rules. Period.

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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited May 2014

    Really?

    This is BC.org's website. We participate at their discretion. They get to make the rules. Period.

    Bessie, everyone answers to someone!

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014


    I'll get the guidelines and research it. For the next few days, I want to play. May change my mind. Then again may not.

    Teka, I agree everyone answers to someone. Especially, if the governments involved, and Gawd it's the IRS. RUN

    Everyone have a great weekend  :) sassy.

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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited May 2014

    I've *zero* knowledge of guidelines.

    That being said, in prior post, I was thinking about the 'Komen troubles attributed to Planned Parenthood controversy'.




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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited May 2014

    FireKracker,

    Thank You for the *bump* *bump* posts!



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  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited May 2014

    bump

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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited May 2014

    https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1511138_623668967670599_336336993_n.jpg

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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited May 2014

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  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited May 2014

    nice advitar u got there TEKA

    It's about time u showed ur face

    Look up ur #3.... Ur friends r hiding .".

    I will not bump this again

    Nor post here again

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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited May 2014

    *Thread Members & Moderators*

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHgbscRit3bD_CJmPrTdA4lUC-qnOf-IEP3WkK4DbCk9esETPX


    https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/10277651_793053357374559_3256365182183467425_n.jpg

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  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited May 2014

    image

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exemption-Requirements-Section-501(c)(3)-Organizations


    Exemption Requirements - 501(c)(3) Organizations

    To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual. In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.

    Organizations described in section 501(c)(3) are commonly referred to as charitable organizations. Organizations described in section 501(c)(3), other than testing for public safety organizations, are eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions in accordance with Code section 170.

    The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction.

    Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct. For a detailed discussion, see Political and Lobbying Activities. For more information about lobbying activities by charities, see the article Lobbying Issues; for more information about political activities of charities, see the FY-2002 CPE topic Election Year Issues.

    Additional Information

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    under construction

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014


    under construction

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    under construction

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    God lord what are the deletes about. When I research something, I often link boxes like that so that there is continuity.

    Answer please, You aren't making sense?

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    Mods, I think you just made my point about freedom of speech. I didn't say anything other than "under construction" and I was deleted.  I sure hope someone else gets this besides me.

    I didn't have a single thing ready to put in those boxes. I was just going to follow the breadcrumbs where they might lead too. I felt Beesie had a good point. What I have been reading is more from an external point of view. I need to find how the "Freedom of Speech Clause" applies to people within an organization.

    Interesting.

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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited May 2014

    *Thread Members & Moderators*

    https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10250039_719585471439528_5323067953994174762_n.png

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    In doing this search, what I wish to learn on this subject,  is how the Freedom of Speech Clause(FSC) applies. 1.Does it apply to members within a group that has a 501c-3 tax exempt status in the USA. 2.Does the law protect a 501c-3 approved entity against external interference to what the approved entity promulgates.

    The sequence I will  follow is reading the IRS rule governing 501c-3 section of the regulatory law. I have already posted the regulatory law above. Then reading the rules within this section that are hyperlinked. Then trying to find the answer to the two questions in the first paragraph. The second question is documented all over the internet. The first question isn't as well documented.. I will use different keywords in this search than the previous attempts.

    UNDER CONSTRUCTION. Definition as it applies here. I am working.

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p4220.pdf    LInk to IRS that describes the basic info re: 501c-3. Charitable, Educational, or religious entities that are eligible for 501c-3  approval. Defines IRS regulatory rule in response to statautory law. Defines difference between a foundation and charitable organization.

    under construction 

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014


    Collecting information for future review

    Privacy statement http://www.breastcancer.org/about_us/bco_commitment/privacy_statement Last modified Mar 20, 2014

    terms of use;http://www.breastcancer.org/about_us/bco_commitment/legal_terms last modified Mar 20 2014

     IRS rule re: public disclosure http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p557.pdf

     

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    collecting examples of "terms of use for online discussion forum"

    This link is to a web site that provides free TOU forms for downloading:

    https://www.rocketlawyer.com/sem/Website-Terms-of-Use.rl?id=1615&utm_source=103&utm_medium=cpc&try=1&v=3&utm_account=RL-Docs-Search-Text-GDN&utm_campaign=Beta-Professional-Search&utm_adgroup=(1615)website-terms-of-use(professional)&utm_term=%2Bterms%20%2Bof%20%2Buse&pkw=%2Bterms%20%2Bof%20%2Buse&mkwid=seJkKCYTK_dc&pcrid=46517337305&pmt=b&plc=&gclid=CKG7xreWxb4CFW4R7AodnB8Aeg

    This link is to International Bar association TOU:

    http://www.ibanet.org/web_terms_of_use.aspx

    This link is to webopedia main page, similar to Wikipedia:

    http://www.webopedia.com/

    This link is to Acceptable use Policy definition aka Terms of use TOS on webopedia

    http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/A/AUP.html

    This link is to NPR(National Public Radio TOU

    http://www.npr.org/about-npr/179876898/terms-of-use

    http://www.npr.org/help/discussionrules.html

    You are solely responsible for the content you post.  NPR is not responsible for the content posted by its users.  We do not and cannot review all user content posted on NPR.org.  However, we have the right (but not the obligation) to review, screen, delete, edit and/or move any content posted on NPR.org.

     

     

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2014

    I'm done searching. Now I need to synthesize the info. The final form may not appear as you see it. There is a great deal of information to sift through

    My position that sole discretion and free speech can't coexist if there is  tax exempt status is half right, half wrong. Some may interpret as all wrong. I reviewed many Terms of Use statements from many organizations. Some tax exempt i.e. had approval under the Internal Revenue Code(IRC) 501c, others non tax exempt.

    The "Freedom of Speech Clause" is included in all the TOU sections of all organizations I reviewed. But none identified it as "Freedom of Speech Clause". The language of the clause is included entirely in one statement, or it's broken up into multiple statements in the list. The intent of the law is met. Not sure why none identify it as such. In the USA where freedom of speech is so valued, I find it a conundrum.

    All TOU's that I reviewed included terminology that material may be removed. Examples, range from "sole discretion", "Discretion", too "the right (but not the obligation) to review, screen, delete, edit and/or move any content posted".

    You may note that in the previous post the last example is from NPR. It was not the only organization that used that phrase. But it was the only 501c-3 organization I reviewed that said '"the right (but not the obligation) to review, screen, delete, edit and/or move any content posted". It surprised me that NPR would edit work.

    The TOU of BCO includes all the elements of "Freedom of Speech Clause"" It' meets the intent of the law.

    The BCO  inclusion of "sole discretion" Is common language used throughout the industry.

    Therefore, BCO can exclude anything.

    Edit: 17:04. Locked before I was done. They didn't even read my post. They stated it was not supportive. But they jumped in and assumed the post wasn't supportive. Had they waited till I was done, they would have found differently. Ironic isn't it?

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2014

    Hello All,

    We at BCO work hard to provide a free, safe, supportive environment for our members and readers. Our rules have been written to guide and protect the community. Our 73 forums have been set up with the input of members and in order to most effectively help members to find the information and people they seek. We work to keep an open rapport with everyone, and try to support our members in every way we can. This discussion is sadly not at all supportive, and is negatively affecting other members in our community. If you have constructive feedback about our rules, our forums, or our moderating, please know that you can private message us any time, and we will certainly listen. While we sincerely hope that our community members find BCO to be a comfortable and nurturing environment, we understand that with such a large membership, not all members will feel completely satisfied. We hope to continue to work WITH you, our members, to making the best, warmest, most helpful community for all who need us. With this, we are closing this thread.

    Thank you for your understanding.

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