Chemo in May 2014
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Debrain - I had big time stress about going in for #2 cause I was feeling so good and did not want to go back to that other place. But then I realized that I had made it through the few worst days with really nothing major and I could do it again and would be more prepared for what things felt like and what worked. I also though about all the women on here who have done it and stuck around to tell us what to try that worked for them and knew I had a place to get helped. And lastly - and to me very important - I knew I could call the nurses at the center and that they would have ideas too.
I do think I am handling this treatment mentally much better and maybe even slightly physically better - but only 2 days out so we will see. AND remember #2 makes you 1/3 done - sounds alot better than thinking 4 more!!
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Yes, taking Claritan.
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Taking Claritin along with ibuprofen has helped me so much with bone, sternum, and back pain after the neulasta shot. Got the shot on monday and stayed on top of it until yesterday and started feeling achy. Thats what I get for being cocky....lol. I will keep taking ib until tomorrow at least. Its easier to be proactive rather than trying to treat the pain once it starts.
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I'm taking claritian, ibuprofen like clockwork although I don't know why I bother because it seems to do NOTHING for me, but I'm afraid to NOT take it because I'm afraid maybe it is doing a little bit, and not having it will push me over some edge. I got lucky…again…I got the worst side effect. My MO and I discussed stopping the neulasta but I'm already running fevers so she is afraid without it my counts will drop too much. At this point I would rather be in the hospital dealing with low counts than this level of pain. At the very moment I'm sitting about a 2-3. Thats where I am constantly, until a wave hits (and the doctor explained these pain waves to me, how the bones have run out of space for the white cells and need to kick some out into the bloodstream, and when that happens my pain level drops down again) When a wave hits …I didn't know where 10 is. Is it when I almost can't walk? Or when I can't walk? Or is it before that? My friend is a pain management nurse. She said I'm beyond 10 and its not acceptable. I'll be talking to my MO today about getting some other type of pain meds, like a patch that won't affect my already touchy GI system. The GI problems I'm having are tolerable. Even with the weight loss, even if I have to go get IV fluids every couple of days, even pooping acid 12 times a day, it is tolerable. The bone pain is not tolerable. I kept my eyes on the fact "It will go away after a few days". Mine isn't doing that. And, according to my MO, is probably here to stay for the duration of treatment.
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lespring- Ask your MO about having half a dose of the Neulesta...This worked well for me when I had severe bone pain from a full dose, and my WBC stayed up.
BTW: What you are doing for your kids is great!
I have completed six rounds of TCH with only herceptin left for the remainder of the year...Take heart, Dear lady...It will go faster than you think!
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Neverforsaken, I will ask about that! Thanks for the suggestion!
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So sorry lespring - I know what the waves feel like - I had 3 days of those waves in my sternum and they were painful and scared me - thought it was my heart. I have mid back pain and the nurses think it is also the shot and that I should take the claritan from treatment to treatment. But my pain level is nothing like what you are describing on most days on those waves are bad - in general my bone pain feels more like I am about to get the flu - general bone ache. I have taken one or two aleves for it cause tylenol upsets my stomach - always has. By all means try to get something to help with that pain as soon as possible.
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writinghelps, many women in your position choose to use their non-dominant arm for infusions (if you're right-handed, that would be your left) because lymphedema is harder to deal with in the dominant hand. Do have your doctor check out the new swelling, as a seroma is still possible this soon after surgery. Lymphedema is certainly a possibility. When it's in your chest, side, axilla or back it's called "truncal" lymphedema. Here's information about it:
http://www.stepup-speakout.org/breast_chest_trunck...Getting a referral to a well-qualified lymphedema therapist for evaluation is a great idea. S/he can take baseline arm measurements for future reference, help you with personalized risk reduction tips, teach you a gentle lymphatic self-massage, and fit you for compression sleeves and gloves you can use prophylactically (a good strategy especially while you're doing taxol chemo or rads, both of which can cause swelling that can tax your compromised lymph system.) Here's how to find a well-trained one near you:
http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified...Please feel free to join us "swell" Sistahs on the Lymphedema forum here to read or ask questions--lots of supportive and knowledgeable gals there!
Gentle hugs,
Binney -
After a stubborn and difficult morning with my Power Port, a whole bunch of prayers,
they finally got me ready to go. Cycle One is now behind me and while I
am drained and doped up, I am taking the fight to this disease now! No
more waiting.
Cycle One/Day One was long, 6 hours mostly so they can do it
slow and leave gaps between the different drugs... Lots of pretreatment
meds and post treatment meds so I am looking for an uneventful 96
hours.
Time for rest now. My babies are coming home on Saturday, I miss them and need them very much. I knew I could do this, now i have and hell yes I'll beat this disease!!!! -
Well, no wonder! So today I spiked a fever again, 100.8. I'm to call my clinic at 100.5. As it turns out, yesterday when my bloodwork was done and my counts were fine, my MO examined me and ordered one more blood test. That came back today that my liver is not happy. (thank you Taxotere) Also my port site is looking pretty messy. Since my immune counts were fine yesterday they told me to come in tomorrow morning to repeat all the bloodwork to see where I'm at, get some IV fluids for the weekend, as well as IV antibiotics.
Today was actually not too bad. I would put my pain at a 2-3 all day, which compared to what I've been dealing with is very tolerable. But I did too much, not knowing that I was getting sick. It is HARD to stay 'down' when I'm feeling 1/2 way decent and there is a house full of kids and all the stuff that comes with them. I still can't eat and have lost 10 lbs. Today is day 8.
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lespring, I think I speak for all of us here when I say we're all thinking about you and hoping you feel better soon. I can't imagine taking care of children on top of everything else we're going through, I can't even remember to feed the cat!
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Thank you debiann.
I should say, we have had TONS of support! My best friend, who's child with Ds had cancer a few years ago, spent all day Monday and Tuesday with me so she could watch the little one and I could sleep. Tuesday my son came and is still here. Someone has brought a meal nearly every night. Not to mention, my husband has been wonderful. -
Hi everyone,
I just wanted to give all of you words of encouragement. I finished my chemo in March 2014. I had (4) DD AC and (4) DD Taxol. I can honestly say it is doable. The worst part is the unknown at the beginning but honestly you do not feel anything at the first infusion, the nurses are right there with you. I stress the importance of water. I truly believe that is what helped me with the SE's. I also used Biotene and peroxide toothpaste and a Waterpik everyday. I did not have any naseau or mouth issues. Mainly fatigue and loss of taste and appetite. Best of luck to all of you.
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(((hugs))), lespring. I hope you are feeling better. Take it easy and let others take care of you.
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KAT4856 I am glad your treatments went so well. Unfortunately every body is different and everyone responds to treatments differently in addition to everyone being on different protocols. I had my first bout of diarrhea, which was very severe, before I even left the clinic after my infusion. I'm on day 9 of round 1. I have had to be rehydrated twice (Weds and all night in the ER last night, and I'll be back in the clinic this afternoon to get more fluids to hopefully make it through the holiday weekend) I can't drink water…or anything else for that matter…because I now have colitis from the Taxotere and every minuscule sip or bite of anything causes 4X that volume in diarrhea. I have lost 10 lbs in 9 days. I will now have to be rehydrated every other day for the duration of my treatment. I am one of the few patients who will have the bone pain from Neulasta significantly longer than most, and quite possibly through the entire protocol.
I'm not saying this for you to feel sorry for me, just to remind you there is no way to predict how anyone will respond to the various chemo cocktails. I am all about the positive, and not scaring those just going into this, but I am also about being real. All I found were people saying how great they did, and couldn't find much of anything from people who didn't do so well. Then I start treatment and am in really bad shape, which makes me wonder if there is truly something wrong because I'm not finding anyone else with the same problems. Only to be told, unfortunately, these side effects are within the spectrum of normal, we just have to figure out how to get me through them.
I'm sorry, I'm a bit snarky the last couple of days. I really am glad your treatments went well.
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Kat - Sounds like you did the same treatment I am about to start next week. I don't know what DD means but I will be going every other week for A/C and then Taxol after that. I'm not 100% sure that I will be going every other week for the Taxol. I'm very concerned about my nails, I know hair will grow back, but the nails I've read here could be a long term problem. Did you have issues with Taxol and your nails?
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Hey Lespring - I am so sorry you are going through all this - chemo just sucks - I am having issues with neuropathy - my mo says from the carboplatin but it can be both ughh - he has lowered my carbo by 15% to see if that helps. Has your MO considered changing your protocol or amounts - I am sure he is thinking about it but maybe you should also be asking those questions - and please I don't mean to suggest you aren't just trying to find some way to help cause I feel so bad for you.
I wish I had some magic dust to help you out - my heart hurts for you!!
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I will be seeing my MO again today when I go for fluids. Its only my first round and only day 9 so I think they had to see what I was going to do first and go from there. I have 11 more days until my next infusion. Today they'll be adding some meds for my GI system to slow it down. And yes, we'll be discussing doses. Thank you!
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Lespring, My heart goes out to you. In fact, I'm thinking about you so much and constantly sending good wishes your way, hoping that these horrible side effects you are having will lessen to a tolerable point. You are right. I didn't have a hard time either, but so many of our bc sisters are suffering so much. I'm sure you aren't the only one out there with such terrible SEs, you're just one of those strong enough to actually tell others what you're going through. I admire your guts in hanging in there. May you turn a corner soon.
Homemom, I've had a few toe nail issues from the AC which is unusual. DD of AC is every other week and stands for Dose Dense - meaning a larger amount. Taxol is usually given in a lesser amount every week to make it more tolerable. I just finished my 4th of 12 weekly Taxol yesterday and have posted elsewhere of the pains I'm taking to prevent or lessen neuropathy and more nail loss. If you follow the thread in my signature you should be able to find those posts. I asked the nurse yesterday when most patients first notice neuropathy if they are going to get it - she said after the 7th or 8th infusion.
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MomMom - I found your post and pics on icing your hands and feet. Love love love the little cover and you're so cute! Thank you for posting, I was wondering how to actually do ice for 1.5 hours! From what I understand though, my Taxol will take three hours, I have to double check, but I believe I'm only having 4 doses.
How will I keep my ice cold that long? Another question, will they show a movie :P lol
I also had a call from my insurance pharmacy for the Nuelasta shot. They are shipping it to my home. Has anyone given themselves the shot or do you always go into the docs office? My MO told me I could do it myself - like that is going to happen! I do have a good friend/neighbor who is an NP. I thought about asking her to do it. Save me a trip into downtown.
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HomeMom--Thank you for your kind words! It won't be easy, and you'll need a helper, but you can do the icing if you bring enough of those home made ice packs and just keep switching off as they start to warm. Even with just an hour and 20 minutes it kept my husband busy. He brought it all in a roller cooler with everything completely iced down. Saw my MO today and she was very interested in the home made packs as they will soon be starting a clinical trial on using the icing to prevent neuropathy. They obviously think it's been very helpful for the women who have iced. She wants me to show her what it is we do so she can recommend it to her patients. They realize that the $$ Elastogel gloves and booties do NOT last for the duration of the treatment, let alone the pre and post time, and admits that the homemade ones would be a whole lot cheaper. Some of her patients have purchased two sets of the Elastogel but even that would not cover your lengthy infusion. Yesterday's 4th Taxol was the first one where my hands and feet were truly iced for the duration. Good luck!
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HomeMom,
I had darkening of my nails but I did not lose any. I had biweekly Taxol for two months (total of 4). As far as neuropathy I had a couple of fingers that would tingle quite a bit but It has now been two months since my last chemo and I do not feel the tingling anymore. I have heard that maybe the nails get hit harder when you are on the 12 weekly Taxols but I could be wrong. The darkening of my nails have grown out in the last two months. They looked pretty bad until then. I had a friend give me my Neulasta shot because I didn't feel comfortable giving myself the shot.
Lespring,
I am really sorry to hear that you are having such a had time. You are right not everyone has it easy. I am very grateful that my experience was not too bad but I know that is not the case for everyone. The part that was most difficult for me was the anxiety. I have had a great deal of anxiety right from the beginning and have had to take some medication to deal with it but thankfully it is getting better. I sincerely hope that your SE's are just temporary. Best of luck and prayers
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First, let me apologize, because my posts earlier and yesterday sound really bitchy. I'm usually a pretty positive person. This has done me in. Today I am feeling much better because, finally, the bone pain is gone!!!! 10 days of agony that was probably made worse by the chronic dehydration. I've been snapping at everyone and today gave myself a time-out in my room away from everyone to just cry it out and be done already.
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. (I've been blogging my journey if you're interested in it, but there are also posts about the rest of our family so its not just boring cancer. ;-)
I was into the ER overnight, running a fever and needed a ct scan to make sure I hadn't perforated my bowel, and to get rehydrated. I couldn't get OFF the toilet! Literally squeezed my butt cheeks together for the 15 minute ride to the hospital. Got some dilauded which shut my GI system down for a bit so I could get rehydrated. I was up for more than 24 hours, and then today back to the Onco clinic for more fluids and meet with my MO. We discussed cutting the Neulasta in half next time. The four main drs. from the clinic are conferring about it because they're concerned I won't be able to keep my counts up without it. They are also going to discuss completely changing my protocol because I've lost 11 lbs in 10 days. Clearly the Taxotere and I do not agree. BUT…if the new anti-diarrheal I started today helps, we might just try one more round to see how it goes. (really, I have another 45 lbs to loose. I know its not a healthy weight loss this way but hey…find the positives right?)
Yesterday I ate 1/2 banana but it went through me in 25 minutes. Weds I had 1/2 cup of rice. Plain. It was a no-go. I don't think it was even 10 minutes before I was running for the bathroom. Today I have been able to eat 1/2 peanut butter and banana sandwich and it stayed put. The first food that has stayed put since I started 10 days ago. Baby steps!
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I just realized I have a canker sore...it has been a week since 1st infusion...do they typically take this long to show??
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I am at day 10 and just starting to feel changes in my mouth. Rinsing like crazy, praying it doesn't go any further than that!!!
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lakegirl - i have read people saying they got the sores at anywhere from 4 -10 days from the infusion. I guess it is all different for everyone
Lespring - don't ever apologize in here for telling us how you feel. This is a place that we can do that without guilt cause we get it. I think I would have been in a much worse place mentally than you had I been going through what you have been through the last 10 days. Yeah for baby steps and for the neulasta shot bone pain regressing!!. You come in hear and tell like it is anytime and I will hug you everytime!
I have felt not so great the last 24 hours - felt ok in the am yesterday but by the afternoon I had been visited by the dementors from Harry Potter and they are still with me - sucked all the joy and life out of me. I am running a slight temp - only 99 right now but I usually run low so a 99 is more like a 100 to me - keeping an eye on it. I will say on a positive note that my neuropathy does not seem to be as bad this time as the first time - hopefully that 15% reduction will hold it at bay. Chemo just sucks ya'll!! Sending you all gentle hugs!
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Tverno, I hope you are doing well and have all that under control. I too had the bad rash and mouth sores after my first session but for my second dose my doctor tweaked my meds some and it helped me not to get such a bad reaction. I still have the rash and I am getting sores again but not near as painful for me and not as fast..
Hugs and best wishes to all!!
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My mouth was awful the first week after infusion, but it turned out to be thrush, probably from the steroids. For the next round they gave me a special swish and rinse to hopefully avoid that problem next round.
Funny how your attitude toward weight loss changes suddenly. I could certainly stand to lose weight, but when I lost about 7 pounds in 3 days due to the big D, my husbands says "Hey that's great" and I respond, "No that's terrible, I'm not supposed to lose weight." No fear, I think I gained it all back in one meal,lol.
My hair hurts. Yesterday (day 15, just as my nurse navigator predicted) I noticed some falling out. Today it hurts and my scalp burns and itches. After it all falls out does your scalp still burn and itch?
Five days till round two, I have no idea how to mentally prepare for this. When I went for my NADIR visit I asked the PA if I should expect round two to be similar to round one, same SE's, cause knowing what to expect makes it easier. Of course the answer was no, the SE's could be different every round. Wonderful :P
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Debiann, I have a real-life friend (as apposed to you imaginary people in my computer. ;-) who is about 8 weeks ahead of me on this journey. She brought me this stuff that she got from the hair/wig place. She said it was so helpful for her scalp! If you have a hair loss/wig place near you, they may carry it.
http://www.lindiskin.com/lindi-soothing-balmI'm day 11 today. My scalp feels odd. Kind of numb and yet itchy. Its not bothersome, but I'm at the point where every tiny little thing I'm all "Oh no. Please no more SEs!" I am making deals with God, "Since I have side effect X, it would be fair that I don't get side effect Z." and praying he agrees with me.
And yes, it is going to be tough to make myself do the next round. But with talk of changing my protocol it means I will probably have to do something else that has a longer protocol. Blech. But, I guess if the SEs are less than what I'm having now I can do it. How many women before us have done it, and are doing it, every day?
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I'm on Day 4 after infusion. The swelling in my sternum that I mentioned before has lessened a little. Although I feel there is some under my arms now. It's not too bad. I'll just watch it. I do have an appt with PT but it's not until the first week in June. And thanks to whomever gave me lymphedema info. I'm pretty sure this PT has some LE (is that the right abbreviation?) experience. I had a 5 min eval. with a LE therapist right after surgery and she calmed some concerns. Wish I could go back to her but she's booked for months.So far my SE's have been mostly mild. I read through half of the "starting chemo April 2014" yesterday trying to determine when the worst would hit and what to expect. Now I'm just sitting here. Waiting for the worst days to hit. It's getting old. Not that I want to feel like death, but I dont like waiting for it. I'm killing time binging on Netflix series. Currently, I'm watching Merlin. :-)
I found a white patch in my mouth yesterday. Thrush. I know it well from years ago when I was nursing my first baby. I had a bad case of systemic yeast in my breasts for 9 months. Since then I have felt like I am always on the fence with yeast and that if I eat too much sugar or dairy in one sitting I fall into the yeasties. I'm trying the baking soda/salt rinse, brushing often and biotene rinse. I'd like to avoid taking diflucan (I guess that is what they'll give me for it). I hate being on any types of drugs. And I've had to take so many drugs these last few days. Anyway, I had noticed my mouth feeling a little, uh, itchy? Not quite the word though. My guess is it's going to get worse before it gets better. Won't plain yogurt help? I called the helpline yesterday to ask a few questions before the weekend hit and the nurse said avoid yogurt with live cultures. She said the change in gut flora from a weakened immune system could have an adverse effect with the live cultures. I thought that was the point of live cultures?
Yesterday was my last days of the steroid and Claritin. I'm so glad. (Have I said how much I hate being on drugs?) I wonder if I'll crash from stopping the steroid abruptly. I am also a little concerned about how much worse the bone pain might get not being on Claritin. Right now it's just aches and pains randomly throughout my body, coming and going and never getting to severe. But now that I'm off Claritin and I may not have hit the worse of it, well, not sure what to do. The nurse did say I could take it past their recommended 3 days. But I don't really like taking things preventatively. Although I know it's also hard for a drug to kick in after the pain gets too bad.
Sorry this is so long. I guess I needed to write all this out. Hope it makes some sort of sense.
Peace,
Wendy
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