Mastectomy after lumpectomy?

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hello...I am new to the forum and was diagnosed with stage 2 bc December 2013...had lumpectomy with 2 positive sentinel nodes removed and one positive axill node...doing 6 cycles of chemo now and finished my 4th!!  Now I am researching bilateral mastectomy vs keeping lumpectomy...right breast stil has LCIS throughout...I meet with radiation oncologist may 22 to discuss decision of mastectomy or keeping lumpectomy as I guess it will affect radiation scheduling.  Did anyone go through having a lumpectomy then chemo to have time to decide about surgery and reconstruction.  I have been visiting doctors and getting second opinions as well as speaking to my surgeon again to review pathology...this is very hard! Thanks!

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited April 2014

    Welcome to BCO, although I'm sorry you have reason to be here.  I don't have experience with the situation you're facing, but I thought I'd stop and bump your thread in the hopes that more people will see it before it drops off the Active Topics list.  In general though, I would tend to think that with 2 positive nodes and LCIS throughout your breast, mastectomy -- if that's what your breast surgeon is advocating -- sounds like the more prudent option, although I know how difficult it can be to come to that decision.  (I had a mastectomy after a lumpectomy, but did chemo after my 2nd surgery.)

    Weekends can be a bit slow here, but hopefully you'll get some input tomorrow.    (((Hugs))), and good luck with your decision.   Deanna

  • Lakegirl1
    Lakegirl1 Member Posts: 316
    edited April 2014

    I too did lumpectomy 1st.  Once we found margins weren't clean and lump was larger than originally anticipated, I opted for bmx. Since I would have needed rads, there was concern re: my cosmetic outcome.  I  am only 43 with 6 & 8 yo girls, I wanted to do everything I could to reduce risk of recurrence as much as possible.  Also, after bmx, they found the IDC was more extensive than originally thought. So, for me, bmx was the best decision. 

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited April 2014

    It is a very hard decision to make and my thoughts are with you. I actually was the opposite, I chose mastectomy so I would not have to have radiation or chemo, but my cancer presented differently than yours.

    I did not choose reconstruction.

    It all sure does hit us fast though, doesn't it? I think your doctor will have a lot to say about it and take someone with you so they can help you remember everything that is said. My biggest question in your case would be :how does the mastectomy affect the cancer? If it increases your chances of beating cancer, I would go for it. but in your case the radiation and chemo might have already killed the cancer. Your doctor will know.

    Please post more and search around here, lots of women ready to help...


  • belleb
    belleb Member Posts: 170
    edited April 2014

    Hi and welcome! I had two lumpectomies (one as a biopsy, one after biopsy to get clear margins) and I am facing the decision of 6 weeks of radiation or a mastectomy. It's such a hard decision to make! I am almost certain I am going to be having a BMX w/ no reconstruction...I want to avoid radiation and constant mammograms, and I have heard so many stories of women having the unaffected breast removed only to find more tumors that were previously undetected, so I think for my own peace of mind it's the right choice. I hope you can sort through everything and reach a decision you are comfortable with!

  • jbdayton
    jbdayton Member Posts: 700
    edited April 2014

    As far as rads I did chemo first, then BMX then rads so I do not see a problem if you decide to do a BMX before rads.

    I know of people who did LX then chemo then BMX as you are asking.  I think that is very prudent.  

    Some people actually avoid radiation with BMX if wide margins are obtained in the BMX.  

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited April 2014

    Thanks for all of your stories...I am still researching and I get hung up on percentages, which is the way I can understand all of this...if I am told " your chance of recurrence is 1/2 % a year, so in 20 years you have a 10 % chance"  etc. and so on...then I think that in 20 years, when I am 74, i will decide then....and there will be so many more advances in cancer treatments.  So, I continue to research articles and percentages...absolute risk and relative risk...data, data, data....my gut feeling right now after oncologist, 2nd opinion breast surgeon with his 1/2 % a year data, and research, for me, is to keep lumpectomy, do radiation and tamoxifen or other drug if I am truly in menopause ( which at 54 before treatment I was NOT!... Had a period the first chemo treatment...ugggg!)....my general surgeon , when asked what she would do looking at my pathology report said she would do bmx...and that I had a 30% chance of breast cancer in my lifetime( recurrence?...or new bc? Not sure)....there is where the nagging feeling comes as 30% is a high risk and it was explained differently from the other surgeon....So, I will meet one more breast surgeon for her opinion on my reports, go to my general surgeon so she can explain it so I clearly understand her advice and why...and then, hopefully I can make a FIRM decision about lumpectomy confidently!  Can that really happen?? I hope so!  For me, I don't want a huge surgery if it shows there is not significant evidence that mastectomy will offer me a significant benefit....if anyone has an easy way for me to understand risk % with analogies! please share!  So happy I posted on here as you all have helped me...thanks!  Sorry for this long post....

  • Maureen1
    Maureen1 Member Posts: 614
    edited April 2014

    I took the path you are considering and I chose prophylactic BMX, it is not an easy decision but I'll just give you the highlights of what contributed to my decision…I had a lumpectomy with great margins so that was not an issue but I had dense breasts and lots of cysts and my lump was missed by annual mammograms (estimate of the surgeon was it had been there several years) so I could not rely on mammograms to catch future cancers. I met with 2 radiation oncologists and both said that I would need rads if I did not do mastectomy to prevent "local" recurrence but since I had wide margins that was not a big concern. They also cautioned that it was left side and although they would "be as careful as possible" it could impact my heart. My oncologist felt that mastectomy was the best choice for me to avoid recurrence. Since I had positive nodes she recommended chemo and antihormonals to prevent mets, which is my greater concern - she said that mastectomy, chemo and antihormonals could cut my risk to less than 15% but of course...there are no guarantees. I met with a plastic surgeon and since I did not have rads he said he could work with the breast surgeon to do immediate reconstruction with implants. It was a relief once I decided on a plan and I am pleased with the results. As others have said on these boards…you make the best choices you can with the information you have at the time and don't second guess yourself or look back:) good luck in your decision, feel free to PM me if I can answer any questions (((Hugs))) Maureen

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited April 2014

    thanks Maureen....next week I will gather more information so I can feel more confident in my decision...and hopefully not look back!  As your oncologist said...there are no guarantees...I will feel better when I know my plan! Rosie

  • KATRS
    KATRS Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2014

    I haven't been on here is a while; I had a LX 11/9/2012 (clear margins, one positive node), did chemo and rads. About three months after I finished radiation, I developed an infection in the breast that would never go completely away with antibiotics so my ONC recommended that my BS go in and clear things up. It was a abscess which she removed and then had a path on the mass. Well, lo and behold, they found three tiny separate cancer cells! After my shock, disappointment, fear, anger - I am getting scans done now; once we get all the results I am having a mastectomy but waiting on reconstruction. My ONC thinks I should do another short (4 passes) of chemo - (this time with Gemzar and Carboplatin); all agree this is not a recurrence but residual from first tumor.
    I will do recon next year but with this latest news my primary driver is getting free and clear of cancer. Since I had radiation there isn't much they can do with my skin so I will have a DIEP flap from my stomach to create my new breast and then a reduction/lift to my right one.
    As others have noted; no matter what we do you just really never know; in hindsight, the abscess was my friend. Without it we would never have known what was lingering in my remaining breast tissue.
    Continue to gather information and good luck!

  • nagem
    nagem Member Posts: 353
    edited May 2014

    I had a very similar situation. Aggressive her2 positive stage 2 with pleiomorphic LCIS in margins after two surgeries. I was urged to start chemotherapy (AC-T/H) quickly rather than fuss about the margins. I had a very nice cosmetic result from the lumpectomies, but there was dubious material in the other breast as well, so after completing radiation, I got a second opinion and was told it was reasonable to have a bilateral mastectomy but I would have to wait six months for the radiation burns to heal. I did indeed go forward with the mastectomy after six months, and so far (nearly 9 years later) have opted not to have reconstruction. This was a good decision for me since I am easily worried and didn't feel I could face having imaging done every six months, which was my fate if I had kept my breasts. I found making a list of pros and cons helpful so that in case I had regrets later I could look back and see my reasoning. So far no regrets though.

  • Marren
    Marren Member Posts: 59
    edited May 2014

    hi I just completed my chemotherapy six rounds of TCH plus P, yay and I've been having the same trouble trying to decide between lumpectomy vs mastectomy. I've got four weeks to decide I've spoken to plastic surgeon, radiation oncologist and my breast surgeon. Since my tumor shrunk to the point where they can't feel it anymore my breast surgeon and oncologist think I should get a lumpectomy plus radiation. I'm just so nervous about reoccurrence and having them checked constantly. Neither route is easy didn't want radiation but they've warned me that even if I get a mastectomy I could possibly still need radiation.  They won't really know until they go in to check your lymph nodes. Also worried about with implants and having to swap them out every 15 or so years. I've also been warned if I go radiation first w the lumpectomy and then end up having to get a mastectomy that hurts your chances for the best possible cosmetic outcome. 

    And I see so many of the women on here get lumps and then later get a mastectomy. I'm hoping that my situation is different in that I had intense chemo before, shrunk the tumor, that lump and rads would equal 

    Mastectomy. 

    Ktrs- are you in the Los Angeles area?

    Rosie- did you decide? And what of your right breast?

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited May 2014

    OMG marren!!  I can't believe you just asked me that!  I just received a phone call from my 3rd opinion breast surgeon who brought my case to the tumor board today....they all agree that it would be ok to keep lumpectomy...as long as I am vigilant with anti hormone drug therapy, mammo/MRI ...10% chance recurrence...I knew for me at this point in my life...54, kids grown, 30 year marriage this June, that I will not get more surgery.  I am at -such   peace right now as the decision is made. Also, I believe that if I do decide later on down the road , I would just have one removed no reconstruction.  It is definitely a personal decision and where you are in life!  But I literally got the call 30 minutes before I read your post...and I haven't been on here as much , as I was getting confused with things...I will have an MRI may 28 just to see what things look like...my surgeon feels it will be ok...so unless there is a huge surprise,  I am a lumpectomy girl!! Such a draining time ...I finish chemo June 2...then radiation...then I am getting back in the game of living !  God has His plans for us...faith hope and love!! Rosie

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited May 2014

    marren...re reading your post...I felt my lump, had sentinel node biopsy and 3/11 were positive....she did lumpectomy removing the tumors and had clear margins...I do have LCIS through the right breast so that was my concern on deciding in keeping lumpectomy.  I did the chemo because of positive nodes....had time since February to do my footwork and speak to docs about mastectomy...had to decide before rad started...since tumor board and surgeons feel my lumpectomy is successful, that was a big part of my decision to stay with it...all the chemo, rads and anti hormone therapy is aggressive treatment and I just hope it all keeps the cancer away!  Can we ever be sure?  Good luck with your decision!  I will deal with whatever Happens when and if it happens...gotta get back to living! 

  • kchristina
    kchristina Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2014

    Hello- I am new to this site...this is my first post. I was diagnosed February- 3cm tumour in my left breast. Her2neu+. Had a lumpectomy, with sentinel node biopsy- 2 nodes removed- 1 node had 2 mm of growth. I am in the middle of chemo- 4 rounds AC and 4 rounds Pax.  Herceptin starts with my 5th round- for 1 year. I have to go for an additional surgery to check the margins when chemo is done. Then the recommendation is 5 weeks radiation in the fall. I asked about a bilateral mastectomy, but my surgeon had said if I go that route, he would have to remove many lymph nodes, as I had the one positive node. Also- radiation would not necessarily be an option after mastectomy. I would like to have radiation to the chest wall and lymph nodes instead of removing nodes, as I am concerned about lymphodema. However, in many ways I do not want to keep my breasts- I am worried about developing cancer in my healthy breast. A tumour board has recommended another lumpectomy- seeing no additional benefit with mastectomy. I am 44- two children.

  • KATRS
    KATRS Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2014

    Marren - I AM in Cali - SoCa; you?
    I see my new ONC this afternoon (one week post MX) still feeling OK, waking up early (work schedule hours!) and going for a short walk around my immediate neighborhood. Took a shower yesterday by myself - felt so good!
    I will most likely do another round of chemo; I did chemo, rads after LX so the latest situation was a complete surprise to everyone. I have been doing some research and getting my questions lined-up. I am so much calmer this time because I KNOW that my emotions will not change anything unless I keep them positive.

    I will be back on this board after my MO this afternoon and BS tomorrow afternoon with updates.

    GRACE and Peace ladies 

  • Marren
    Marren Member Posts: 59
    edited May 2014

    hello everyone,

    Katrs- I'm in LA. I'm going to pasadena for my treatment. I hope your appt went well. So sorry about the latest development. That sounds rough, but you've got a great attitude.

    Kchristina- hello, welcome. I'm 38  w her2+ and have two kids also. Are you in the US? Just wondering why the different chemo cocktail; when we have the same dx. 

    I see my BS tomorrow to really hash this out...mastectomy or lumpectomy? I also have dense breasts and my lump that I found(since I'm under the recommended age for mammogram) wasn't seen on the mammogram, but caught on ultrasound. That's one thing that concerns me. The other is my aunt who had a lumpectomy and rads then had reoccurrence in the same area. I'm terrified  of that. Like everyone else. But my aunts situation happened 12 years ago and she didn't have chemo the first time or herceptin. And I'm sure radiation has improved in that time as well. 

    Now my breast surgeon and onc agree lumpectomy and rads is the way they'd go. Which sounds so much easier than reconstruction and all that. Ugh well I'll see BS tomorrow I've got to make a decision pretty soon im running out of time.

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited May 2014

    marren...good luck

    Once my decision was made to keep lumpectomy a huge wight was lifted...I had a lot of opinions saying lumpectomy was ok and it really was about me being able to deal with the mammos/MRIs for screenings...I was not ready to undergo a lot of surgery if it did not weigh heavily towards mastectomy...so I am happy with my final decision...I hope you are able to make one that you are comfortable with as well!  Good luck! Rosie

  • Marren
    Marren Member Posts: 59
    edited May 2014

    Rosie- Yes you seemed very comfortable with the lumpectomy and thats great!

    I just don't feel great about either. I'm leaning more towards Mastectomy, because I'm so worried. I don't ever want to do chemo again or any of this. But then again my BS and ONC both think Lump and rads are the way to go, so would I just be doing a major surgery I don't really need. But I feel I'm 38, will I be worrying for many years to come about recurrence. The answer is a resounding YES. Unless they can convince me my chance of recur or new cancer in the breast is just as low. 

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited May 2014

    you are a young girl!  I am 54, not too old!! But everyone is at a different spot in their lives to make a comfortable decision for themselves...the big thing is your gut feeling!!!  If worrying will effect your quality of life then only you can make the decision...I was wishing someone would make it for me....for me, if I find myself worrying and they can't get good screenings, then down the road I may change my mind...but for now I am content with my decision...

    Once you make the decision, you will feel it is the right thing for you!! Good luck as I know the turmoil it brings....I do believe God has already made HIS plan for me...I will enjoy the days I am blessed to wake up every morning and surround myself with HAPPY!! Rosie...ps...I also went for 2 nd and 3rd opinions ...then tumor board consensus with many specialists looking at my path report sealed the deal for me.

  • KATRS
    KATRS Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2014

    Well, I saw my ONC on Tuesday afternoon (5/20) and the path reports were good - no other bc cells in the breast they removed; I had the Sentinel node removed with my LX in 2012 but I asked my BS to take at least 2 to 4 more so we would have clear nodes. Number 2 and Number 3 both had micro-mets and the remaining four she took were clear.
    My ONC feels we are in a good place - I will do two to four passes of Gemzar/Carboplatin every three weeks with a separate infusion of Gemzar 8 days out from the combo. I am not happy about the chemo but his concern is this is residual and if the original chemo/rads didn't kill this all, let's make sure if there are any random cells roaming around that we get them now. I get exhausted thinking about the chemo and the rigors of all that involves; but, as we all know and say - I will do it and get on with it!

    I did ask if we hadn't caught this now, then what? He said, 8-9 years from now we would be dealing with a different situation. I am OK - healing from the MX isn't so bad, but the incision under my arm for the nodes is a B*$(h - so sore and UGH!

    I am more confident after the MX, etc and believe this is over now - I can't /won't waste any more of my time or life worrying about it - 

    Good luck with decisions - Peace and GRACE!

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