Stage III survivors -5 years and out diet and lifestyle changes

Deblc
Deblc Member Posts: 479
edited June 2014 in Stage III Breast Cancer

I actually posted this question in another thread but had only one response. I am wondering if all you 5+ years survivors changed your diet/lifestyle in any way. I am so inundated with "advice" to "go vegan/vegetarian" , "cut out sugar, dairy, fast food, soda" , "eat organic".... I am so afraid to eat my regular diet in case it really makes a difference with reoccurrence! My regular diet meaning, a varied diet and yes that included all the things I'm being advised to stop eating as stated above. Would REALLY appreciate if I got some responses in this

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2014

    I am not 5 years out, only 2 going on 3.

    I have cut way back on refined starch, red meat and have cut out almost all sweets.

    After much reading, I decided that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that going vegan does you any good. Dairy is not a great evil either, but there is a study showing a correlation between dairy fat and recurrence. So I do not eat butter and cream anymore and severely limit cheese.

    However, I am no saint. I still drink, although that is supposed to be a no-no. I drink in moderation, but I refuse to give up red wine.

    Also, I try to get 10 hours of exercise a week. Most of it is walking, but 3 times a week I work out with weights as well. Several studies point to a protective effect of exercise, and besides it controls weight, reduces side effects of hormone treatment and makes me feel good.

  • TectonicShift
    TectonicShift Member Posts: 752
    edited July 2020
  • Deblc
    Deblc Member Posts: 479
    edited May 2014

    Thank you ladies. I especially found that link helpful. However,  I would love to hear more from others as to their actual dietary changes, if any.

  • TectonicShift
    TectonicShift Member Posts: 752
    edited July 2020
  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2014

    Tectonic, your doc is right. A lot of people get confused between blood glucose and sugar. However, eating sweets or refined starch can spike you blood sugar and there is some evidence to suggest that this is not the greatest if you are a cancer patient. Some people also hypothesize that one reason exercise is protective is that it helps to keep blood sugar staple. It is also one of those things where even if it doesn't help against the cancer in the end, it will help me stay healthier overall.

    The main reason, however, that I cut all the way back was initially that my fasting glucose was creeping into pre-diabetic range. it has since come down some, thanks to the diet and exercise. I was not, btw, all that heavy at the time (about 23 BMI), but my kid was huge at birth, so I may be predisposed to type 2.

  • yogamama
    yogamama Member Posts: 39
    edited May 2014

    Dblc- If you'd like to pm me, I'm an oncology RD and would happy to analyze a 3 day recall of your intake and give you some pointers.  Don't let it make you too stressed.  There's no magic bullet, and no food that's going to be blamed if you have a recurrence.  There are just too many factors to blame one thing.  

  • Deblc
    Deblc Member Posts: 479
    edited May 2014

    Thanks Yogamama, I definitely will

  • kar123
    kar123 Member Posts: 273
    edited May 2014

    Just reading this thread and the fact that an Oncology RD can still get this crappy diagnosis we all share, proves to me that while a really healthy diet might help with recurrence/prevention and overall health, obviously it's not the magic bullet.  Thanks Yogamama for not making me feel guilty about my indulgences.

  • pupfoster1
    pupfoster1 Member Posts: 1,484
    edited May 2014

    I wish I could say I've been the poster child for healthy eating, but I have to admit until recently I may be the opposite.  I've GAINED about 30-40 since my dx.  Not necessarily junk food, but portion control and eating dessert later in the evening.  I finally got back on Weight Watchers and am using the Simple Start/Simply Filling technique and I LOVE it!  There's a list of core foods (most of which I like) and I don't feel deprived at all.  I've lost about 17+ pounds and my clothes are already getting loose.  It's lots of whole grains, fruits, veggies and lean proteins, so basically it IS eating healthy.  I do buy organic milk (fat free) and half and half because of the whole hormone thing.  Why add more to my body since it came back to haunt me before, right?  IDK, It's a crap shoot isn't it?  You hear of people that are athletes are vegan and eat all organic and still get cancer.  Everything in moderation I suppose.

    Sharon

  • Christine2000
    Christine2000 Member Posts: 176
    edited May 2014

    I weighed about 220 at my diagnosis 5 years ago-- I stopped eating all wheat, sugar and dairy, and lost about 60 pounds. By sticking to this now I am able to manage my weight for the first time in my life. Don't get me wrong-- I am not "skinny" at all! but I'm happy at about 165 and I feel great. I also still have my wine in the evenings.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2014

    Christine, that is so great!

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited May 2014

    i was told a plant based diet low carb is best and if meat or fish then grass fed and genuinely wild respectively.  I have given up cows dairy, but use sheep or goats sometimes. I do feel better when i stick to it but find lunches are the worst meal to cater for, I find it hard to know what to do. I used to juice but really did not enjoy all the fibre with the greens! I do believe in it though.......love cartot and apple juice but thats a lot of carbs

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2014

    Lily, I eat a lot of salads for lunches. Today's has artichoke hearts, fresh, raw peas, cucumber, avocado, lemon and olive oil.

  • LittleFlower
    LittleFlower Member Posts: 405
    edited May 2014

    this is a great topic Deblc because diet crosses my mind a lot.  I'd say I've increased my veggie intake a little since diagnosis, but nothing to write home about.  One thing that plagues me is sugar.  I feel I intake too much, and feel guilty about it.. A lot

    I don't know HOW to cut out sugar and flour.  It may seem like a stupid question, but for those of you who eliminated sugar/ flour.. How did you approach it?

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited May 2014

    I think it's everything in moderation. My dr said if you do nothing else make sure you get plenty of exercise. I'm not stressing over eating sugar or hamburgers. You can get a zillion different opinions on the dos and donts but the fact drs don't know why some women get BC or why some have cancers that come back. It is a virtual crapshoot. Diane 

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2014

    LittleFlower, I just stopped eating sweets. After about 6 months, I started incorporating a few sweet things, like dark chocolate and the very occasional bite of dessert.

    I also stopped eating white starches. That was really not that difficult. I eat very coarse, whole-wheat bread, although not a lot. I also eat very rough barley rusks. When I feel like pancakes, I make them with whole buckwheat flour, which supposedly has a low glycemic index. I add no sugar or syrup.

  • SpunkyGirl
    SpunkyGirl Member Posts: 1,568
    edited May 2014

    I work out almost every day, but I eat everything in moderation.  

  • Deblc
    Deblc Member Posts: 479
    edited May 2014

    Thanks everybody for the input. I was really stressing over the diet question as I certainly don't have the discipline to go full vegan or whatever. 

  • yogamama
    yogamama Member Posts: 39
    edited May 2014

    littleflower- try to choose grains that are INTACT, meaning not refined so that all of the grain is present.  Steel cut oats, barley, quinoa, buckwheat, millet.  As far as sugar, choose, again,  foods that are not processed.  Veg, fruit, grains, organic meats (occasional).  If you drink sodas, stop.  Just eliminating that will cut your refined sugar intact considerably.  Without knowing your medical history, I'll stop will that general answer to your question.  Try www.aicr.org for recipes and tips.

  • Lolis197138
    Lolis197138 Member Posts: 512
    edited May 2014

    Hi All,

    First of all congrats on all years out from this disease.

    I am a newbie if the stage III and going through my treatments now, doing round two of chemo first week of June. I have been thinking how to change my lifestyle after treatment is over. I believe I ate relatively healthy before my dx. Veggies, fruit, lean meat (chicken mostly) and whole grain. I would eat pasta and rice every now and then. I didn't exercise much but walked my dog twice a day for about 20 each time (he's a medium size dog so it's moderate speed walking).

    My vice was the wine. I would have a few drinks on weekends. Now I know that it will be on very rare occasions that I would have wine. 

    I find it hard during chemo to stick to the healthy eating. Carbs taste so good (still stay with whole wheat bread and pasta) and I am eating a lot of them. 

    I am planning to check out this website foodforbreastcancer.com and make a list of food that do the least damage to us and incorporate them in my diet after treatment is over. 

    What type of workouts do you do? I was thinking to include swimming but don't know if rads with mess up my left arm. I have developed a cording symptom and worried that it would get worse during rads

    Looking forward to having this thing done and over with.

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited May 2014

    Definitely go to the foodforbreastcancer site because the latest article there is about how bad carbohydrates are for many of us whose cancer is affected by insulin growth factor (IGF-1).  In the study cited, patients' tumors were tested for IGF-1 receptors, but of course we don't get that.  I'm going to assume I had them.  I always had problems with blood sugar spikes up ad down, very low blood sugar, and probably high insulin.  I reported this time and time to doctors, and no one seemed to care. 

    I think with some good PT, you'll be rid of the cording in no time.  Radiation didn't seem to have immediate affects on cording or lymphedema.  I didn't have many side effects at all, if any. 

    I know we all eat whatever we can to get by during chemo, then you can make changes.  There are lots of good sources of info mentioned here in these forums.  I do think low carb is the way to go.  I'm sorry that you're having the carb cravings.  I had no cravings during chemo and could barely eat.

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited May 2014

    Forgot to answer about workouts.  During chemo after the first 3-4 days of a treatment cycle, I then walked for 20 minutes every day.  Very helpful.  After treatment, I started doing a lot of treadmill walking and elliptical trainer.  I've been doing Pilates since then too, but it seems to be worsening the lymphedema.  And I did about 6 weeks or so of PT after my surgery.  I've tried water Zumba, but it did not work well with my arm.  

  • AryaS
    AryaS Member Posts: 131
    edited May 2014

    I just saw a dietician who works in the oncology department.  She strongly recommended a plant based diet and told me from now on to fill at least half my dinner plate with veggies and to consider meat a "condiment".  That blew my mind.  It makes sense though.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2014

    Mary, Pilates and even water Zumba can be adapted to your needs with some cooperation from your instructors. Here's information for breast cancer veterans about what to consider in any exercise program:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Handout%20doc%20for...

    And here's a paper you can copy off for your instructors to help them understand the special considerations we face:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Trainer%20doc%20for…

    I hope they help--it can get discouraging when we can't participate in the things we enjoy and need. Be well!
    Binney

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