Breast MRI Denied by Insurance

jramick
jramick Member Posts: 88

I really get angry when insurance companies do not approve the MRI test especially for women who have breast cancer history.

Recently I felt a small lump in the "bad girl".  Upon exam by onco an ultrasound was done that could not find the lump afterward even though she felt it. It must be too small yet.  She seemed to think it felt like a watery benign lump.  In 2009  when the needle biopsy was performed the fluid was clean.  The lump part which was found  malignant was the outer wall of the cell which remained and was excised by core biopsy.  Now 4 years later the insurance company has the nerve to deny a breast MRI?  

I don't give up easily.  This is a fight none of us should have to go through and should be routine.  I know my breast surgeon is not happy either!

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  • bevin
    bevin Member Posts: 1,902
    edited May 2014

    Your doctors can call the insurance provider and ask dor t a peer review. When done those normally get the Mrii approved. Good luck

  • mrenee68
    mrenee68 Member Posts: 383
    edited May 2014

    Keep at it, the insurance people that make those decisions have no clue about how important that information can be. For them it is all about saving money not saving lives.

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited May 2014

    Certainly do not give up. Their first response is to deny and figure many people will just quit pursuing it. Even after my clinic did the telephone "peer review", approval was not given. I had to file an appeal then brought my case to a committee using their own policy statements which could be found on line. They admitted error but took an extra 10 days to notify me of the authorization. The letter was not mailed until I called to inquire about the decision.

    After having the MRI, their next tactic was to refuse payment to the hospital. I waited some months then contacted our state insurance commissioner's office. The law requires a response within 4 weeks. Following my complaint, a check was issued almost immediately. (I requested they pay interest to the providers but that was not done). There also could have been a fine assessed because they withheld compensation for covered services. When companies act in bad faith, the government can be our advocate!

  • jramick
    jramick Member Posts: 88
    edited May 2014

    Thank you vln!  I am not giving up and there have been some new developments from test results that may force them to approve the MRI. I just find it very discouraging that they could deny this test to ANY woman who has had breast cancer period!!!!!   My oncologist even found a palpable lump although mammogram and ultrasound did not pick it up. I will report back and let you all know what happens!

  • LRM216
    LRM216 Member Posts: 2,115
    edited May 2014

    So sorry you are going through this with your insurance company.  I know only too well the frustration having to deal with their stupidity;  I am triple negative, five years out and my breast surgeon had me doing a breast MRI once a year along with six month mammos.  This year BC/BS refused approval of the MRI.  She fought it diilgently for me, having two telephone peer to peer conferences and nope - still would not approve.  Got to hear the reasons why I was turned down in the letter from their three "doctors" ( and I use that term loosely):

    1.  I am the only one in my family to have had breast cancer - no family history (guess it doesn't matter that I am the one with the damn cancer); 

    2..  Since I never had BRCA testing, they see no value in the test (they refused my BRCA testing as I was 62 at diagnose - didn't matter that I was triple neg to them); and

    3.  At this point in time, it would only be merely investigational, so they see no need.

    Really frightening when you realize clowns such as these doctors are making the decisions about our lives.  I hate insurance companies.

    Wishing you the best, and hoping  you win your fight.

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited May 2014

    LRM, it's possible that the company has a 5 year "cut off" for MRI follow-up which is arbitrary, to say the least. 

    Did you file a formal appeal or was the denial a result of the phone conversations? With a triple negative history, I would want to pursue every option available. 

    I was given the opportunity to present my case in person to a lawyer/doctor committee and point out an error in their review. Once approved, I was not notified until I called to inquire about their decision. Then, after having the procedure, they refused to pay the hospital! After some months, I complained to our state's insurance commissioner's office: a check was issued within a couple weeks, It will be interesting to see what they do if I request another scan this fall...

  • JulioAnn
    JulioAnn Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2014

    Here's what happened to me and I'm still making payments on the $5,635 bill so that I my credit rating doesn't get ruined.

    11/21/14

    What should I do if the insurance company won't pay for the breast MRI (which your doctor ordered)?

    1. Doctor ordered Breast MRI (for both breasts)

    2. I told nurse at doctor's office that I don't want the procedure unless I know it will be taken care of by my insurance company.

    3. Response from doctor's office: Procedure will be covered as long as the insurance company received a letter of medical necessity. The doctor's office submitted said letter to the insurance company. (Note: One of the components of "medical necessity" is that there has to be a history of breast cancer in the family. My mom died from breast cancer in 1992. And, I have dense, fibrous breasts, which make it difficult for the doctor to make an accurate diagnosis through mammograms.

    4. I had breast MRI

    5. Breast MRI was denied and I am stuck with a bill for $5,635

    6. I contact doctor's office and they submit a letter of appeal

    7. Insurance company denies doctor's appeal

    8. Insurance company requests copy of all of my medical records

    9. Doctor submitted my medical records

    10. Insurance company still denied payment

    11. I filed a complaint with the Illinois Insurance Board. They determined they couldn't be involved in the case or assist me in any way since the insurance company was based in Ohio

    12. Illinois Insurance Board submitted my case to the insurance board in Ohio.

    13. Reply of Insurance board in Ohio was a copy of the original denial letter from the insurance company

    All the while these steps were taking place, I continued to contact my doctor's office for their help. This was continually put back as my responsibility to take care of. I also was in contact with the billing department at the hospital where the breast MRI was done. Although a doctor in their hospital issued the diagnostic procedure and they told me it would be approved, the billing department staff kept telling me it was my responsibility to pay the bill. Yes, they offered a discount only if I would pay $3,000 in full. I was and am still not in a position to pay that amount at once. Even though I had been in communication with the hospital's billing department, the insurance company, and the doctor's office, my account was sent to collections. So that my credit rating wouldn't be gravely affected by this, I continued to pay monthly payments.

    In the past several months, I have told people I know about this situation. Everyone I have talked to (including medical personnel) about this in recent months have indicated that I should not have to pay for the breast MRI. I agree.

    Talking about this issue again has given me new courage to fight for a refund for what I have paid so far and for the hospital to zero out the balance of the remaining amount on the bill.

    I have since contacted my doctor's office and spoke to a nurse who wasn't working at the doctor's office at the time of when I had the breast MRI. I have written one letter to the doctor's office, the hospital billing department, and the collection agency. She agrees that I should have to pay for the procedure and has agreed to review the letter. I am grateful for that. I also asked her to reassess the codes that were used for the diagnostic procedure and that it may make sense for the doctor to have a peer-to-peer review (again) with a doctor at the insurance company.

    However, I am hoping I don't get lost in a perpetual loop of phone calls and finger pointing like what happened before.

    I am realistically optimistic that I will get my money back.

    I am writing here to share my experience and to ask if anyone else has had any success with getting their insurance company to pay.

    Thank you for listening.

  • april25
    april25 Member Posts: 772
    edited December 2014

    Wow, good luck to you all in your fight! It's sad when our system is this way and it doesn't really work--or not well, in any case. Hopefully your fights will pave the way for better treatment for others, too. I think more insurance is covering various BC treatments (reconstruction, prophylactic mx) because of previous waves of women fighting for what is right!


  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited December 2014

    JulioAnn, Fight on sister! For all that come after you as well as for yourself. Those bureaucrats should walk a mile in our shoes before they DENY any test that is necessary. This is freeking cancer for pete's sake! Hugs and prayers that you prevail! STAY STRONG!

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited December 2014

    Julio, that is really sad about the insurance boards in both states giving you the run around. Wisconsin was very effective and persistent in following up on my complaint, even obtaining 12% interest due to the delay in payment!

    Makes me wonder if a call to your legislator or governor would light a fire under someone, especially if the commissioner is a political appointee...

    I agree with April, we have to fight in order to set a precedent for those who come after us. You are keeping good records, logging your phone contacts & who you talked to, retaining copies of letters, etc. Let us know how things are going: it can take months to resolve but, as my case demonstrates, victory is possible.

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