April 2014 Surgery Sisters
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hey,
The Valium the PS prescribed was a blessing! Wish I'd asked for it a week sooner. It stopped the contractions/spasms in my chest and I have been sleeping all night since then. I didn't take any last night and did just fine.
I went back to work Monday. My co-workers are shocked that I came back so soon! But the PS felt it would be ok since I have a desk job. I get sleepy about half-way through the day and I don't feel as mentally sharp as I used to, but I know that will return. Work has given me something else to think about other than my boobs!
I still have tightness in my chest. The PS said I'd feel more normal at 6 weeks; it will be 5 weeks tomorrow. Every day I think, " this bra is so tight" and then I remember I'm not wearing one!
Some of you mentioned swelling in your armpits. My armpits aren't swollen; I think the implants sit wider out than our real breasts. Thus, it feels like we're swollen.
I find myself to be extremely grateful. My family has been wonderful and the outpouring of support from friends has been humbling. My co-workers dressed in pink the day of my surgery and took a group picture that they then texted to my daughter. It was the first thing she showed me when I woke up!
I hope you all continue to heal well!
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katiegrey-
My surgery was on April 9 and my first fill is today. I think all PS' do it differently, as well, I had 400ccs put in at the surgery which is more than usual I think. So, I've heard others starting as early as 2 weeks, and many as long as 6. I guess it depends on your healing and how far you have to go. My TEs are 500cc capacity but will be overfilled, I think we are going for 600ccs implants, but who knows? Everything seems to change as you go along, which sucks for planning anything in advance. Also, I was surprised that my PT doesn't start until next week. But this is all new to me. Good luck with your surgery, it is doable and you will get through it better than you think you will. Stay ahead of laxatives! I started fiber pils a week prior to surgery and colace a few days before. It still took a while to get anything to move afterwards, the drugs really do a number on you.
Good luck with everything, safe journey,
Nina
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started at three or four weeks. But had 100cc at surgery...starting a few hundred higher would have been hard.
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Argh!!!!!!! Am I the only April girl on here that still can't get into a pair of jeans? I'm three weeks post surgery and if I allow for the weight lost from breast tissue from the surgery, the remainder of my body should be the same size, but I can barely get into my largest jeans, and definitely can't either zip or snap them. This is definitely limiting how much I feel like being social because at 62 years old, 5ft 2, and about 143 lbs., I'm not one of those people who look cute and stylish in workout wear or yoga pants. I just look old lady and frumpy.
Anyone else with this issue? Any clothing suggestions to get by?
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scuba,
It may be worth buying a larger size of jeans for now? They will look more flattering - and be far more comfortable - if you do not have to squeeze into them! No one else will know the size anyway
I actually think I have stayed pretty much the same in the past couple weeks. Though I am not running/lifting weights obviously I am walking a lot more (any change up in my routine seems to shock my body) and I have not indulged in any ice cream since my surgery either, ha. I generally eat fairly healthy, but more so when others are cooking for me and I cannot reach the freezer!
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Scubalady--I'm a big puff ball--went to old navy and god some big yoga pants so they won't look clingy...I'm still sleeping a lot anyway :-)
2 drains put today---hopefully the other 2 will come out next week. Still have lots of crazy pains--trying to keep up w a couple miles of walking each day, but after the doc today I opted for a couch day. Hope everyone else is doing well!!!
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scubalady and others who are concerned about weight: I don't know what your treatment plans are, but if you are following up surgery with chemo, that may help with weight loss. I had neoadjuvant chemo that I finished 4/28, surgery is scheduled for next week. I had almost no appetite the first 8 weeks on chemo (A/C) and dropped about 15 pounds. I'm 51 and for years have found it impossible to lose weight ever since my kids were born. That's the only good thing I can say about chemo!
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Yay for 2 drains coming out, Zeeba! I only had 2 drains, I did not realize until recently some people got 4 even with a prophylactic MX (no node removal). Sorry to hear you are still having pain issues, hope that eases up for you soon.
I see my PS tomorrow for a 2-week post-op follow-up. I am doing pretty well. I still feel really good though am still careful not to do too much and not to reach up/out. I still try and move rather deliberately. I have some discomfort if I miss an ibuprofen within 6 hours, but not bad...it is then just sore, not painful. Still walking a lot, 5-6 miles a day. Weather has been iffy last few days so I go to the gym to walk on treadmill there. Sometimes I have to have a nap in day, sometimes not. Biggest thing I think is just how long it takes me to do anything. It is hard to be bored when it takes me what seems like forever to bathe, wash my hair, dry off, change my dressing (see below) and get dressed! Sometimes work stresses cross my mind, but less so this week than last. I feel bad for the cat as she looks so disheveled from not being brushed as often, though my husband made a go at it last night he does not quite have the technique down with her yet!
Left nipple is still healing up but looks like it will pull through....though PS will be one to tell me I guess! I had some skin peeling under my left breast as well, basically either an allergic reaction or a reaction to heavy bruising plus adhesives of steri-strips. Nurse had warned me it could happen because of my bruising but was still disappointing. Basically left an open blister/abrasion wound on underside of my breast, I went to ER just to check it out and they said it looked fine, and was told to change dressing 2x a day and put Polysporin on it and it seems to be healing up really well. Little frustrating though as my incision line looks soooo good, hardly visible at all (used glue, not stitches) but this is going to leave me looking a little pink/darker for a while on that side.
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I think a lot of the issue with my jeans is that everyone who brought over dinners brought pasta and carb heavy meals, and carbs really make me hold water weight. I don't want to make it sound like I didn't appreciate it as I definitely did, but with less activity than I'm used to and carb heavy meals, I'm definitely all puffed up.
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scubalady- my jeans are tight too. I have spent the last several days tracking my food, and sure enough my calories are in line with where they normally are- but, I am absolutely less active then more normal routine still. Weight wise I am showing a 3 pound gain when compared to my surgery day weight- and 3 pounds would not normally plump me up this much. On the other hand, I have seen a sharp drop in the swelling area over the last few days on my chest. I was surprised to see that the TE's actually had a little projection, as up until just recently my chest was just one big continous swell.
I am a little nervous after reading a few posts on shoulder exercises. My doc explicity said (with drains) not to raise your arms, reach for items, etc. Once the drain on the right came out I could raise the arm, but still need to be careful with the left arm. At no point has he ever discussed any type of shoulder exercises or mobility concerns. I feel like my right arm is doing Ok- I can raise my hand (like in school) with a little discomfort. Not sure on the left as I have been avoiding using that arm pretty much.
I slept reasonalby well the last 2 nights, so I am hopeful that whatever was causing the insomnia is healed enough. Then again, my college class started tonight and I took a dose of my ADHD meds very late- so probably up all night just from that . I really need to get the whole sleep thing sorted out before returning the classroom.
Regarding the question about when the first fill is- my PS initially told me it would be 4 weeks post op. But, that was also when he said the drains typically come out 7-10 days post op, and I am in week 4. He explained the fills occurred 4 weeks out to allow time to heal, so given my drain situation I have no idea if I will need to wait a few extra weeks to get that going. I was hoping to get one fill under my belt before returning to the classroom so it is a little less obvious- although I am feeling confident about "owning" my temporary look and feel no need to try and hide it. It would be better though if my students didn't notice such a stark progression- I reaaaaalllly do not want to have to try and muddle through and explanation for them!
I hope everyone continues along the path of recovery and wellness, and at great speed
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Drains! I'm 9 days out from BMX with expanders. These drains are really hurting. I'm putting out about 25 one one side, but 35-40 on other. Is there anything I can do? I feel like I'm in a vise. I had great news from post-op pathology, so I don't want to complain....but I thought someone else may have some ideas or words of encouragement. Haha
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Hi Pnak,
I felt the same way and asked my PS at the 7 day follow up if the vice feeling was from the Te's, drains, or surgery. He said it was the surgery (muscles cut). Hang in there- it does get better. I am 3.5 weeks out and I have a the sensation still, but only noticalbe and not uncomfortable. As far as the drains, my PS takes them out once the output is under 30 ml for three consecutive days. My right drain was out in a week, but I still have my left. No worries though- my left one was kicking out 70+ in the early weeks and only dropped down to 45 less than a week ago. It is now just under the 30 ml for 3 days. Congrats on your pathology!!!!
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Happyteacher, hope you get your last drain out soon. I was lucky and had all mine out by 12 days after surgery, but I only had 3 and never did have more than 30 in a day out of any of them. I actually had my first fill when the last drain came out at day 12, but my PS uses dissolvable stitches internally only and ones that have to be removed externally. He said it is because sometimes the dissolving ones disappear too quickly and can result in opening incisions, and that they can make a larger scar with some body chemistry. Over a period of three weeks, he removes 1/3 of the stitches each time (intermittently, not 1/3 together), and closely watches the incision to see how the skin is reacting and healing. Very different than other doctors, but does make sense when he explains it as I've known people who have had external dissolving stitches dissolve too quickly and have had to get incisions closed back up.
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I did my first little short drive yesterday and it was enough for me to determine that it is not easy yet. I had to rely completely on my mirrors and backup camera and can't comfortably put my hands higher than mid steering wheel. When I see my PS tomorrow, I need to be clearer on what exercises are ok to do, and what ones are not. He tells me not to do anything that causes surgical pain, but it's difficult to determine what pain might be surgical and what might be from the expander when I'm doing the exercises. I know feeling a stretch is ok. I'm going to take my exercise sheets to talk to him about them, especially the ones that stretch the chest area.
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Driving after all of this is tough!! I still can't wear my seatbelt properly and forget trying to parallel park!! I too am not sure about the exercises. My PS just said if it doesn't feel right, just stop. Well..... This weekend I'm going to try a restorative yoga class for people recovering from cancer--maybe that will help.
So I got my Oncotype score--8. So no chemo. It's such a weird feeling. On the one hand I am so relieved that I won't have to go through chemo, on the other hand, when my MO handed me a script for Arimidex and said, "see ya in three months" I thought, that's it? All this craziness for the past three months and that's it? I still have reconstruction work but nothing for the cancer. I waffle between being really happy and wanting to cry because there must be something else to throw at this beast! I went to a support group but everyone there was stage IV so I felt bad saying anything.
Thanks for letting me vent. Hope everyone is healing well!
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teachermom4, great news on your Oncotype score! I have been keeping the number "5" in my mind to try to think very positively about my score. Actually just called the MO office to see if they had it back yet because I'm supposed to see them on Tuesday and there's no need for the appointment if the number is not back yet. Someone on another board gave me a phone number for the California lab, so I may even try calling them.
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My external incisions (they run under my IMF) were sealed with surgical glue and steri strips. They look great so far, the line is very faint/thin from what I can see on left side where the strips had to come off due to my blistering.
I am not ready to drive yet but hoping so in the next week or two. Right now it is a challenge enough holding a pillow against my chest over the bumps, turns and stops as a passenger. Driving through Calgary today - difficult even at best of times - was exhausting enough! My chest feels like I just did hundreds of push-ups.
Saw the PS and he said things look good. The skin peeling issue I had is not uncommon with lots of bruising - as is more common with direct to implant and I am very fair-skinned and bruise easily anyway - because the skin swells and wants to move one way and adhesive wants it to go another. It looks clean and like it is healing. There should not be any scarring in long run. Nipple also looks good, and the "wounded look" is a normal reaction from BS removing all that tissue behind if. Just told to keep both greased up wit antibiotic ointment and clean. It was interesting changing my dressing later in a parking lot in Calgary, anyone walking by would have had an eyeful and been left a little confused too!
He is glad I am walking, I am also cleared to go on spin bike. No bench press or the like though
Next follow-up is in 2 weeks.
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teachermom - congrats on the Oncotype score!
A friend of mine is a nurse and yoga instructor, and she does restorative/rehab yoga for breast cancer patients or of her in-home studio. She has invited me to come when I am healed up to help as rehab. I would like to, but feel uneasy about it as I am not a cancer patient and would feel a bit like I was intruding on that space for those other participants.
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Good morning April surgery buddies! As far as arm exercises, I'm doing nothing. My PS told me that I needed to keep my chest area quiet so everything could heal properly and keep the implants in place. I'm following his advice because I do not want to do anything that might cause me to have to undergo any more surgeries! I see him again on May 28, eight weeks after my surgery. Hopefully, he'll clear me to start running again and lifting weights.
As for weight gain, scubalady, I'm about the same. Disappointed that I didn't lose weight through this whole ordeal. I think I mentioned it before, but I didn't allow anyone to bring us food the first week after my surgery. This disappointed a lot of people because that's how most people want to help - bring food and more food. My 24 year old daughter came home to help and she loves to cook. So she fixed healthy meals that kept me from feeling bloated. After she left, friends brought food, but I asked for salads and fruit only!
Along these lines, I'm wondering about something. Yesterday at lunch, I ate a slice of pizza. The rest of the day, I felt like my chest and underarms were swelling. I was so uncomfortable. Do you thing the sodium in certain foods causes this? I'm planning to eat light this weekend to see if that helps.
This morning when I opened up Facebook, there was a picture of my daughter and her co-workers at the Washington DC Komen Race for the Cure! Her co-workers had my name on their t-shirts and my daughter's t-shirt said "I wear pink for my mom." It was her Mother's Day surprise for me. So I started today bawling my eyes out! But they're good, happy tears!
Have a great day, ladies!
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I felt the same- oncotype of 2, and no chemo or rads. My dx almost same as yours. Then it was 'thats it'??? Im happy of course, but feel strange that I dont need more treatment to kick cancers ass. I still have a hard time trying to say I 'had' cancer, not 'have'.
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Sodie,
High sodium leads to more water retention (sometimes this is desired i.e endurance athlete, sometimes not i.e PMS bloat), so yes, a high sodium pizza might cause more swelling in recently traumatized tissues!
I also am advised not to do any "arm exercises" in terms of heavy lifting or weight training..like you I have direct to implant.
But, I am allowed and encouraged to use my arms "routinely" for routine needs, and as my daily routine has increased so has my arm use....that is my "rehab" so far. I am still careful though....no sudden movements yet or anything. I know things are still healing in there and even with an "internal bra" I need to be gentle as the implants settle into their pockets more.
I think many when talking about arm exercises are also referring to certain stretches or moves (like shoulder shrugs, gentle stretches lifting arm to front and side, walking up wall with fingers) that are often "prescribed" after surgery to regain strength and mobility. I have not been told to do them by my PS, and have not done these, but once my implants started to move out of my armpits and swelling went down I felt fairly mobile anyway - I was in pretty good upper body shape before surgery and did not have nodes removed, and feel pretty great overall so these may be factors. Some women do get more frozen shoulder/arm after surgery so these exercises are meant to reduce that risk.
He did say that weight lifting. or lifting my scuba tanks, will be closer to 8+ weeks post-surgery. I am allowed to run and such in closer to 6 weeks. I can walk, do easier hikes, use indoor bike, or elliptical (no arms), and some leg workouts now. Walking was allowed as soon as I felt able after surgery.
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Got my last drain out today! I officially get to go back to work on Wednesday, but a little freaked out by that too. I am just so friggin' tired today after walking around an outdoor art fair for less than an hour. Hopefully though I will rest better at night now since the drain is gone. Thinking about all of you!
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woohoo on the drain!!! That's such a freeing feeling! Each week my energy increases but I still love my naps! Be sure and rest after work happyteacher!
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Happyteacher, I would be freaked out about going back to work too! My work day is spent on the computer, but I don't feel ready to do the drive (43 miles each way), or the work itself. I get such muscle spasms in my chest from the TE that I can't imagine being back in my high stress environment trying to put on my "work face" yet. Plus, I'm going for fills every Monday. I hope it goes well for you.
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day 10 and I've hit a wall...everything hurts, I'm bored, I'm trying to at least go for a walk or something every day and today everything just hurt...and I'm sick of sleeping in the living room. Kinda disappointed in my friends....don't get me wrong...I'm incredibly lucky...just in a funk today and needed a rant.
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I think week 2 or so is the same for lots of us Zeeba. The worst pain is over, people see you got thru the surgery, you are better but still in early recovery, etc...this too shall pass!!!
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((((HUGS)))) Zeeba. I agree with Aviva. Take pain meds before you need them, regularly. It really helps. It's still a short time since your surgery, and it takes the body at least 6-8 weeks to heal. Don't push yourself too hard or you just end up with setbacks. Try arranging a bunch of pillows on your bed and see if you can stop sleeping in the living room.
As for friends....some of them need guidance. They don't know what to do, so they don't do anything. Hard as it is, you have to give them direction of what you need or would like them to do. Once they have that, they will happily jump in. This is the hardest thing for me. I am not one to delegate or make demands, but I have found that I have to if I want help, or company, or a hot meal. My husband and I just had this talk, and he asked a friend to come over yesterday for a couple of hours just to help him catch up with yard work. His friend was glad to help, they had fun, and the yard looks nice.
We all go through these "funks" and it's good to vent, especially here, where so many have been through what you are feeling and we understand. It will get better...
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I realised I have been lurking and not, posting! Silly me.
My surgery was April 30. Everything has gone really well for me. No problems with the surgery and I have been home resting up with very little pain (just taking advil). I was given an optional additional freezing in my back before surgery that numbed my chest area and it really helped with the post-op pain and swelling. Once I got home I had my husband here looking after me. It's odd...Never had surgery before. All my worry about this and after chemo this is so much easier. Plus, I finally got my last drain out yesterday! Wow, it's good to be rid of those things isn't it? Hurts to have them out but I'm so glad to wear a shirt and not look like I have an alien coming out of my chest anymore! I had a skin sparing surgery so I can have reconstruction next year after I heal up from radiation. Doesn't look too bizarre. Just...well...flat!
I have started doing the physio exercises I was given and it is amazing how stiff my arm and shoulder have gotten in too short a time. I sort of popped a leak after the exercises yesterday and leaked fluid from the drain hole (blech), so guess I will have to have dressings on it for a few days. My second drain was just under 30ml for 2 days and my doc doesn't leave them in past 10 days because of other complications so I guess I still need to be careful, but it feels nice to move and stretch a bit. I have a real stiffness under my arms especially where the nodes came out, but I hope that will improve with time. Even if I spring a leak here and there! I'm free!
We've been out for daily walks and it's so nice to be out with a bit of energy in the sunshine. Hope you're all doing OK and on the mend too!
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Just found this site a couple of days ago. It's very helpful to read about what others have gone through. I had a bilateral mastectomy with tissue expanders on April 16. Recovery has gone well, but like almost everyone else, I have to say that the drains are SO bulky and awkward. I got two of the four out after 6 days, and the other two are coming out tomorrow, thank goodness. It has been three and a half weeks, and I am MORE than ready, but these last two have just now gotten below 30 mL. I am finding the tightness of the expanders to be very uncomfortable, but it is a little better now than it was a week ago. I assume that means it will be better next week!
Thanks everyone for sharing your stories.
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Forgot to say this earlier. Will get my Oncotype score on May 29. Lymph nodes were clear, so I'm hopeful.
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