Triple negative breast cancer

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TammyJB
TammyJB Member Posts: 6

I am new to this board and will start off by saying hello to everyone.  In July of 2013 I found a lump in my left breast.  In August I was diagnosed with stage 3 triple negative breast cancer and two areas showed up in my lymph nodes by a pet scan. The surgeon took out the lump instantly but left the lymph nodes in tact and they began me on Chemotherapy.  I have been very positive through out this whole thing and felt everything was going to be okay.  I just finished my treatments of chemotherapy and was getting ready to begin radiation when I found another lump in my left armpit.  They performed a biopsy the very next day in which the surgeon who performed it said he was certain this was cancer in my lymph nodes and this time it may have spread.  This was on April 18,2014.  They are not able to get me a Pet Scan till the 29 of April which I am not very happy about.  I am so scared this time.  My daughter will be graduating high school in the month of May so I am not telling my family anything about this because I want her to have a wonderful graduation.  I had asked the surgeon the death risk and he claimed that it is most probable that I will die due to breast cancer complication and the rate of living is usually any  where between a few months to a few years.  I left the office in fear.  At times I literally feel as if I can not breath.  Everything I read on this is horrible.  Seems there is no positive feed back on this type of cancer.  I began taking flax seed and fish oil and still trying to keep myself positive.  This whole waiting game though is stressful.  

Can anyone give me any positive feed back on this type of cancer?  Is there hope at this stage? Or should I prepare myself to die?  I am so worn out with stress and not sure how to deal with all this.

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  • belleeast
    belleeast Member Posts: 653
    edited April 2014

    Hi! First,yes there is hope! 2nd,there is a forum called Triple Negative and a thread called Calling all TNS,you should go there and post this. You will get great support!

    3rd,you should get a second opinion! No Dr should have told you that! There are women with triple negative who have lived years and years after being diagnosed. 

    4th,why didn't they remove the lymph nodes that had cancer? Sorry,never mind that question. Your Dr seems incompetent after what he said:))

    I am sorry,you are going thru this,please check out the Triple Negative forum and the thread Calling all TNS.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited April 2014

    I am sorry you have been diagnosed with breast cancer but you have found an excellent forum to talk about how you feel and to get information.

    I have triple negative and was only able to have one chemo treatment and then had it stopped due to complications. I am going to assume that it is gone. Although there are many days I worry I have seen many stories of women who survived a long time with triple negative. I think you need to find a new doctor. He sounds like a fool to make a prediction that he is unable to follow up with facts. He is an idiot in my opinion. You need to feel hopeful and not worry too much about eating just the right food. It is very important to just get healthy in general. Hang in there.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited April 2014

    Tammy - I'm sorry you have to deal with this. The doctor's remarks were very insensitive and likely not accurate. I personally know two ladies with triple neg, (one stage 3) who are 15 years and 8 years out. You probably need to tell someone in your family (perhaps not your daughter just yet) because it is so much easier to get through this with someone beside you. Take things a step at a time. Initially we all think we're going to die soon, but more often than not that is not the case. If you need help coping ask your doctor for some antianxiety meds. They were made for times like this. You are not alone. Message me if you ever need someone to talk to. Gentle hug.

  • lilyrose53
    lilyrose53 Member Posts: 216
    edited April 2014

    Tammy,

    Sorry you find yourself here.  I am also TN,  there are quite a few of us here.  I agree with the other ladies,  I think your doctor was out of line with his remarks!  Go get a second opinion.  Not that it will change diagnosis, but you will get more information.  I have talked to women with TN that were diagnosed as long as fifteen years ago!  I have only been dealing with this since February of this year, but I refuse to give up without a fight.  There is also another website that is strictly for TNBC.  It is the triple negative breast cancer foundation.  They have so much good information on there and MANY long term survivors!

    You will receive lots of support from the ladies here.  Hang in there.  lilyrose

  • lintrollerderby
    lintrollerderby Member Posts: 483
    edited April 2014

    Without the appropriate tests like PET, MRI, etc, indicating a distant spread, there's nothing in your post that indicates there's been a metastatic spread or recurrence. It could be local or regional, so the doctor shouldn't be commenting on survival statistics for Stage IV (which can vary widely, by the way), when there's been no diagnosis of metastasis. And, even IF there has been or will be, you are an individual, not a statistic. 

    Please tell someone in your family or support system. I can see why you haven't told your daughter yet. (I went through treatment for TN during my daughter's senior year of high school, so I get it.)

    Do not stress yourself out over trying to stay positive. Feel the emotions that you need to feel. 

  • MaryFox
    MaryFox Member Posts: 121
    edited April 2014

    Tammy- so sorry you had to join us.  I'm triple neg, too.  You'll also get good info and lots of support at TNBCfoundation.org

    There's such a broad range of experiences here that you'll get support, encouragement, and many tips on coping with this beast. Sending hugs and good thoughts.

    Mary

  • Luah
    Luah Member Posts: 1,541
    edited April 2014

    I second what lintrollerderby said. So far, from what you've said, all that's suspected is a local or regional occurrence.... and it is totally unprofessional and unreasonable of your doc to start throwing those kinds of stats at you. (I too don't understand why he left the nodes in if a PET scan showed  activity in that area). In any case, many women have been successfully treated for such recurrences, and hopefully one will be along shortly to elaborate. In the meantime, do come on over to the Calling all TNs thread. And please try to take it one step at a time.

  • Scoobydoo
    Scoobydoo Member Posts: 499
    edited April 2014

    First of all, I want to say that I am sorry you have to join our group, but you will find great support and resources here.  Second, that has to be the worst doctor I have ever heard and would say you should find someone else as your primary oncologist.  There is NO way he can make that determination based on finding another lump. There is no expiration date on the bottom of your feet.   I also question why your lymphnodes were not removed after finding cancer in them.  I have been diagnosed triple negative and have been NED (no evidence of disease) for 5 years!  There is absolutely hope!!!  If you have any questions I will do my best to help. 

  • TammyJB
    TammyJB Member Posts: 6
    edited April 2014

    Hi its me TammyJB again and I want to thank you all for your replies.  They have comforted me.  I went today to have my pet scan done and I go Thursday for my results (which I am scared to death).   This cancer stuff has got to be one of the worst things I have yet to experience in my entire life time and I have experienced a whole lot.  In the year of 1982, which I was 19 I was in a serious car accident due to a drunk driver in which I broke my back from the tailbone to the seventh vertebra, battery acid burns on my left arm, 3 broken ribs which punctured my lungs and shattered my ankles.  Doctors said then my chances of survival was slim, but I recovered.  Even though it took me months of laying flat on my back, then taking months to learn how to walk again that even though to this day I suffer with sever nerve damage I beat the odds and love this life I am given.  Doctors also said I would never have children which I have had four wonderful children, full term and natural birth lol...I beat the odds again.  Now this cancer has arrived.  Its just my luck it has to be one of the worst types of cancer and the hardest to treat.  So it seems my life has been one huge fight for survival.  The surgeon I have is said to be one of the best in my area and I am very relaxed with him but I have to say it did kind of throw me back when he said, "this one may have spread"   My chemo doctor also said the other day that he thought the surgeon removed the lymph nodes when I had surgery and to his surprise he was wrong and they were not removed.  So I don't know.  I am just so confused and scared I can barely think straight.  The surgeon also said if this has spread that the survival rate is any where from 3 months to 2 years.  I am absolutely thrilled to read post here that states them statistics are wrong.   Thank you all for your replies and I will let you know how my pet scan results turned out.  May God bless you all!

  • Scoobydoo
    Scoobydoo Member Posts: 499
    edited April 2014

    Hi Tammy.  Sounds like your team is a bit dysfunctional.  So you somehow need to slow things down for yourself.  Take a moment and write out all your questions and concerns.  Meet with your surgeon and ask him why he did not remove those nodes!  But you really cannot take the proper course of action until you get the PET scan results.  Let's not put the cart before the proverbial horse.  Take a deep breath.  I know its scarey.  I hate waiting for results!  But you will get through and even if it has spread (which there is also a chance it hasn't) there are many ladies in Stage IV mets that have been here for 5 plus years (even 10) and are still fighting.  There are new trials all the time.  So please do not throw in the towel.  I am definitely going to pray that your results are clear!!

  • emt1020
    emt1020 Member Posts: 2
    edited May 2014

    I too was just recently diagnosed with tnbc in February. As of now it doesn't appear to be in lymph nodes! It's a very scary but doable diagnosis!! The hardest is the unknown of everything and not doing anything about it! I too find your Dr is uncaring and jumping to conclusions rather than facts! My Dr decided to go straight to chemo after biopsy and Mri ...for 4 treatments. Then we will reevaluate for more chemo or go to surgery for double mastectomy. I'm unsure whether ill need radiation or not but oncologist very hopeful and is positive so far! I would definitely go for second opinion and this forum is very helpful for us all! You have to rely on support from friends and family or you will go crazy and get depressed! Being positive is one of the biggest treatment for killing this cancer! I haven't posted a lot on here but I've sure read a lot and these women on here are very helpful and wonderful! I will send prayers your way on your pet scan results and your cancer journey!! Keep that chin up and try to keep positive! It's hard for sure but what I've read that you have been thru in your life you are one tough determined women! Big hugs to u!!! :)

  • lintrollerderby
    lintrollerderby Member Posts: 483
    edited May 2014

    emt1020, welcome and I'm sorry you have reason to be here. I hope your treatment goes very smoothly and does everything it's intended to do. 

    I do want to address something that many of us feel very strongly about here on breastcancer.org (BCO). Many women (and men) come to BCO looking for answers and support during some of the scariest and darkest times they've experienced, so many of us like to address things that people may find months or years down the road when the thread is no longer active. You stated: "Being positive is one of the biggest treatment for killing this cancer!" Most, if not all, of us understand that being positive and not dwelling on the situation makes us feel better; however, it is not a treatment for cancer. We can only hope that we are one of the fortunate ones who respond to therapy. Our Stage IV forums are filled with members who are positive and who would be hurt at the implication that they are facing death from this disease because they were not positive enough. Positivity may help one cope, but will not heal them. Most cancer patients--especially breast cancer--are told to stay positive, and there are a great number of us who feel that this places unrealistic expectations during times of tremendous stress. It's important to feel what we need to feel, even if those feelings are negative. Certainly, it is not healthy for someone to focus too much on the negative, but a great deal of us want people to understand our positions that positivity is not always possible and we are not hurting ourselves by experiencing the natural fear and loss that comes with this diagnosis. 

    I do not mean my post to offend you in any way. This topic is very personal and sensitive to many here. I also want to make sure future readers who may find this thread understand that if they are scared and haven't been staying positive, they haven't hurt their chances at a full recovery. I also don't want anyone finding this thread to blame themselves for their diagnosis and feeling that it was their fault because of their mindset.

    Again, welcome, and I hope you have an easy time of treatment. I wish you weren't in the position to need BCO because of a diagnosis, but since you are, I'm glad you found the site. 

    Best wishes.

  • TammyJB
    TammyJB Member Posts: 6
    edited May 2014

    Just want to begin by saying hello to all.  

    My Pet Scan came back and it shows two new lymph nodes behind my breast bone.  I spent the day going to my  Chemo, Surgeon and Radiation doctor.   I have been told that Chemo hasn't worked and the only thing left is radiation.  I am confused or I am not getting it, they say,  I am curable, but there is only one hope left and that's radiation...?  I was also told they want to do an IMRT (Intensity Modulated Radiation) which most if not all insurances will deny that treatment.  I wondered, (then why did you bother to tell me?) but that his office will put in the request to have it done and they would let me know next week.  If the radiation does not work then my last resort is to go to Indiana Cancer Unit, a state away from me, for experimental treatments.  Wait a moment I thought I was curable not terminal?  I truly feel as if I am riding the Crazy Train!

    I do find it interesting though, that my life really lays in the hands of my insurance company.  My husband and I are thankful that we have Employer paid insurance.  And its been really good thus far.  But the Radiation Doctor claims they all deny IMRT treatment but if I was on Medicaid he could start these treatments tomorrow.  Whats that all about?  Also, some Medicare plans will cover it but you have to have the right (plan).   

    I am thankful that as I am riding this crazy train, I am also a woman of faith in Christ Jesus the Lord.  My Rock that keeps me grounded...I have that lifeline of Hope to hold on to  So I am by far ready to give up!  I have finally been honest with my family and we discussed how everyone has to remain positive.  Nothing negative is allowed in the house.  We have a garage to release certain moods and attitudes which we all can get, but no more is negative speaking or actions allowed in the house. This may be a task for while because we have always been a family who expresses ourselves very well lol, but I also believe living a positive lifestyle is very healthy for one physically and spiritually.

    Thank you all for your responses 

  • Scoobydoo
    Scoobydoo Member Posts: 499
    edited May 2014

    Hi Tammy.  Another believer in Jesus Christ here!  I also can attest to the peace and hope He has given me throughout battling two cancers.  I could not have made it without Him.  You are in my prayers as we both continue to fight this horrible disease.

    Anita

  • Luah
    Luah Member Posts: 1,541
    edited May 2014

    lintrollerd: Again, well-said!

  • lintrollerderby
    lintrollerderby Member Posts: 483
    edited May 2014

    Thanks, Luah. I truly do not want to offend anyone. 

    Thanks for the support and I hope you're doing great!

    Best wishes.

  • TammyJB
    TammyJB Member Posts: 6
    edited May 2014

    Just wanted to say that my insurance did approve the IMRT radiation procedure so I am real happy with that.

  • MomMom
    MomMom Member Posts: 523
    edited May 2014

    Tammy,  I was also diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer in January 2014 at age 66. My heart goes out to you, but it sounds like you are considering all of the right things.  Second opinions, and with university affiliated docs are always an option when in the least amount of doubt.  Even with my Stage 1 diagnosis, I still sought a second opinion just to make sure I was on the right track.  There is an excellent organization, the Triple Negative Breast Cancer Foundation, with a good forum too.  It's obviously dedicated to women with this aggressive, but very treatable, kind of breast cancer.  I encourage you to check that out. 

    Best of luck to you!

  • Kayrem
    Kayrem Member Posts: 164
    edited May 2014

    Hi Tammy - I just wanted to let you know that there is hope. I was also stage 3 with 4 positive lymph nodes just under 3 years ago.  I have tried to make the most of my life after my treatment ended.  There are quite a few stage 3 TN survivors out there so take heart.  It is very frightening diagnosis but try and get past the treatment, then enjoy your life.

  • Kayrem
    Kayrem Member Posts: 164
    edited May 2014

    Tammy - I would also like to add my voice to all the others that suggested getting a second opinion. Your doctor sounds like he may have a few issues and you need all the support you can get. Now that you are armed with the PET results that confirm that you have 2 additional nodes behind the breast bone but no other involvement, you should be able to take all that info to someone else. 

    Have you thought about getting a BRCA test.  I tested positive last year and underwent all of the prophylactic procedures. I needed to know because it may have implications for my children. I also ask because they seem to be having some success using Carboplatin or platinum based therapies on BRCA and triple negative cancers. I do not know what chemo they gave you initially but I would check out what they say about other therapies. 

    I also had some depression issues when I was first diagnosed (who can be blamed!). I had a 5 and 7 year old and felt like I had been hit by a Mack truck. I went for counselling and we discussed the whole positivity versus negativity thing. According to my counsellor (physiologist) there is no concrete proof that being negative "harms" you but she said it probably makes life a bit easier on you and the people around you.  She explained it as being more of a quality of life issue. I thought a lot about it over time (remember I am almost 3 years out) and eventually I chose  to try and be as positive as possible. I certainly did not feel that way coming out of the gate.  I agree with you lintrollerderby (really like that name!). Take care Tammy and try and have a happy Mother's Day.  

  • TammyJB
    TammyJB Member Posts: 6
    edited May 2014

    Its me Tammy again.  I started radiation on Monday with all the hope in the world this works.  I wanted to say that I did have a second opinion.  When I was first diagnosed my husband and I drove to Cleveland Clinic and they conferred with my diagnoses and with the plan of treatment my doctors had set up for me.  My only thing is, I wish my radiation doctor would stop reminding me this is my last hope.  For one my first and last hope rest in Christ alone, but already hearing this is my last hope from the doctors and if I am to remain positive I don't need to constantly hear this being told to me.  I am from a small town and I figure small town brings small town doctors.  As for my emotional well being I am remaining positive and living my life everyday without any fear.  I did also have the genetic testing done which was negative thankfully.  I hate that science is so far away from understanding triple negative breast cancer.  I honestly thought our medical field was further along than they really are.  But as for now I feel great and plan to live everyday happy and positive.  Its better on me and on my family.  Thank you all for your wonderful replies of support.  Its nice to know I am not alone in all this. 

  • Luah
    Luah Member Posts: 1,541
    edited May 2014

    Hi TammyJB: Wishing you well with the radiation! Did your MO consider other chemo drugs beyond what you were previously given? If I missed this info in the trail of posts, apologies. It's just that many women on these boards have done gemzar, carboplatin and/or other combos as secondary chemo treatments. 

  • TammyJB
    TammyJB Member Posts: 6
    edited May 2014

    I was told that chemotherapy won't help me anymore.  But my doctor said that if radiation does not work he can send me to a hospital in Indiana for experimental drugs, if they have any to offer me.  I am not sure I want to try experimental drugs.  The doctor said that they may or may not help me but for the most part it is for me to try these drugs to help others down the road.  Kind of sounds like I am being used as a lab rat.  Hate to put it that way but my doctor didn't seem to speak very promising about this choice of chemotherapy as if it will do much good for me.  I fear that it could make me sick fast and possibly cause a not so desirable outcome.  I haven't really done my  homework on these experimental drugs yet so I do not know much about them.

    I am having a hard time this evening.  Panic attacks are hitting me hard.  At times fear will strike right through me causing me to feel as if I can't breath.  I had a follow up with my radiation doctor today and he keeps stressing how abnormal and rare it is for this cancer to be so aggressive.  Figures I would fall in the abnormal range with something so deadly.  I just keep praying that Christ give me peace and strength to remain positive and hopeful.

  • belleeast
    belleeast Member Posts: 653
    edited May 2014

    Hi Tammy,I am so sorry this is happening to you. My prayers are with you!

    I see that you got a second opinion when you were first diagnosed. I assume you meant last year,if so I strongly suggest you get another opinion now,things have changed. Wishing you the best,in my prayers.

  • RhodyMMM
    RhodyMMM Member Posts: 455
    edited May 2014

    Tammy, my prayers are with you too. If you are having panic attacks, then you need to speak with your doc about getting something to help relieve them. You are going through a very tough ordeal right now and you deserve to get the support that you need. I agree with belleeast that you should get another opinion now, too. It certainly can't hurt!

  • lilyrose53
    lilyrose53 Member Posts: 216
    edited May 2014

    Tammy, You are in my prayers.  May The Lord grant you strength as you go through this journey.  I agree with the others, get another opinion.

    Wishing you well,  hugs,  lilyrose

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited May 2014


    Hi Tammy,

    I was diagnosed 3 years ago with triple neg and I also had nodes behind my breast bone, mine were in a location that some doctors said I was stage 4. I was terrified. Treatment did work for me. I pray that the radiation will do the job for you. How many chemos have you had? As others have said there are many out there to try. Did you get your BRCA results? I agree with Rhody, see if they can give you something for the panic attacks. I have had panic attacks off and on since I was 12, I had them when I was done with treatment. I had to take a lorazapam once in a while. Keep us posted-I will be thinking of you.

    Also, I agree strongly with lintrollerderby-Positive thinking helps you feel better and helps you get through the day, but unfortunately it is not a cure for cancer. It is ok to have your down days, this is a tough journey. We all can just do the best that we are capable of. 

  • Nettie1964
    Nettie1964 Member Posts: 759
    edited May 2014

    Tammy, so sorry you find yourself in this place!  But unless I missed something, you never stated what chemo they gave you and how many?  And I'm still confused as to why your surgeon did not remove the lymph nodes.  I know this is all water under the bridge and I certainly don't want to add to your frustrations, but it may help some others in the future if you are willing to post this! Please don't feel pressured to do this as I know there are many of us who choose not to post about treatments as they do not want to be reminded!  I don't have answers to a lot as I chose not to ask or get copies of test and so forth, I figured if it was something I needed to know the Doctor would tell me!  However, I did have my original dx reports simply because I had to take them with me for my second and yes third opinions!!  But since then, I have not seen one report and really don't care too!

    Fear and panic attacks, as many have said are completely normal!  Please keep us posted!  I too am a Christian and that is where my hope stands!

    Where are you located, I noticed you said you went to the Cleveland Clinic and that it was an hour drive!

    You will certainly be in my prayers!  

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