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  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited May 2014

    Amazon, the extreme exhaustion, dizzy spells, and pulsating sensation sounds exactly like how I felt during chemo (and for a good three weeks after) when my hemoglobin was low. It also made me cry a lot. I still don't know if all the crying was frustration and fear about feeling SO bad or if there is something about being low on hemoglobin that makes a person weepy, but I do know that I was the perfect picture of utter misery there for a while.

  • BigT16
    BigT16 Member Posts: 100
    edited May 2014

    Lisa- Happy to hear your port is coming out.  I can't wait for mine to be removed.

    Amazon-Saying prayers that you test come out normal. 

  • inks
    inks Member Posts: 746
    edited May 2014

    Amazon  - so sorry you are having such a hard time. I hope your blood test will give you some answers. Hang in there!

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited May 2014

    Amazon, I am sorry you had such a bad day.  I am glad your tests had nothing abnormal. My hemoglobin was low during chemo and I was anemic.  I may still be.  My MO said it was very normal. I am not taking iron but wonder  if I should be.  I tried to eat iron rich foods but my MOa said it will take care of itself.  The nurse my insurance company provided told me to use a supplement called floridix. I haven't tried it yet. 

  • Bec65
    Bec65 Member Posts: 312
    edited May 2014

    Hey Amazon -- I hope things seem better today.  I take my iron supplement once a day.  It's Nature Made and says "65 mg Equivalent to 325 Ferrous Sulfate."  

  • Amazonwarrior
    Amazonwarrior Member Posts: 485
    edited May 2014

    Thank you all for your concern. I do feel better now. I don't know what could have caused all of those symptoms. My RO left me a message on my answering machine that my blood work is 'fantastic' and that I'm not anemic. He also reviewed my MRI brain scan and said that he doesn't see anything abnormal, but wants to run it through the radiologist on Monday. So I'll know more tomorrow. 

    I managed to bake a little with my son over the weekend. I kind of had to push myself to do it, but it was well worth the effort. 

    Here is a pic of our carrot cupcakes.

    image

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited May 2014

    nice cupcakes!  My family would LOVE those!  my daughter is a cupcake monster! 

    I'm glad your bloodwork was good, maybe it's just the radiation...??

    I'm looking at things on facebook more as it's easier for me to see....

    Going for my ct scans tomorrow and I might need to break out the old Ativan...praying nothing on them!!!  Then to wait for days til results, I'm SOOOO OVER all of that...do not EVER want to do it again..

    Hope you all have a great week !



  • ellenkc
    ellenkc Member Posts: 173
    edited May 2014

    I wonder whether there are others, like me, who feel that we shouldn't post about feeling good (or at least much better) and moving on from cancer when others are still in treatment and suffering.

    And yet, isn't it possible that such posts would offer hope? Could we perhaps hear from those who are feeling better?

    For me, a lot of emotions (both grief and about cancer) came up after I finished treatment March 3rd. By April, I had an incident where tears started running during a conversation with a friend. He had the tact not to mention the tears at the time, but was nice enough to call me a couple of hours later to see whether I was okay. Out of frustration with myself, I sort of cut off the mention of tears when he called (and apologized/explained later). It was just that I was so sick and tired of being the bald lady who cried all the time.

    I got a visual of that bald lady, and visualized putting her in the corner -- where she was to stay and not come out! That was a turning point, the start of feeling and being emotionally better, coming out of the tunnel. It has taken longer for the fatigue to go away, but I have also discovered that I can often move (e.g. long walks) or work through the fatigue. It doesn't really get any better when I lie down, so I would rather just live my life. And counter intuitively, I do feel better after walking, even if I had to drag myself to get started.

    With that, I am trying to keep life less busy and less stressful -- with limited success. The next two weeks are quite busy -- multiple presentations, a fun trip to Chicago to play with a girlfriend next weekend, then almost immediately business travel to a conference. Hopefully things will ease up a bit after that.

    All in all, I am moving on, and less and less interested in concentrating on cancer. I still skim most posts on a regular basis, but it is an interesting process of letting go.

    I hope to hear from others who are moving beyond cancer.

    Ellen

  • Phebe38
    Phebe38 Member Posts: 197
    edited May 2014

    hi everyone: after a little over two months from chemo my fingernails are acting out, yes I was feeling tingling after chemo. After I washed dishes and after cleaning my fridge, I tried opening a small bottle part of my nail came off. That grosses me out. I didn't feel any pain it's just the thought. My husband said phone the hospital and ask them to cut it out for you. I phoned them but they said wait till Monday to get it cut properly. When I hung up I had a good cry. 😂😰😢 just so sick of all this. I decide to cut it myself after I had a good cry. I talk to others who had chemo and they said "you will lose some of them but they will all grow back. At the end they will grow properly so you will get better but it's progress. To be honest I don't like losing my fingernails. I used to love having long nails. On the other hand, I just love feeling my hair lol😊👍it's like touching my husband's whiskers after it start to grow

  • Phebe38
    Phebe38 Member Posts: 197
    edited May 2014

    I will go to a computer and reply to your posts. 16/25 done on rads. Nine more to go, close to the end of a tunnel

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited May 2014

    Ellen you should definitely post!

    Phebe, 11 weeks PFC and my big toenail just came completely off.  Very freaky feeling and it looks like the other will soon.  My fingernails have been weird for awhile but this was a shock.

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited May 2014

    Ellen, since I didn't even start chemo until late in November most of you were ahead of me through this entire thing. It actually helped me a LOT to read when some of you had had the same complaints I did but that they passed; it helped me to know I was normal and just needed to be more patient. I particularly remember being discouraged about being so weak and exhausted still 2 or 3 weeks after my last chemo, and I think it was Quirky or maybe Inks who posted and said that things got suddenly better for her around week 4 or 5. It gave me some much needed reassurance. 

    She was right, btw. This past Monday I was 4 weeks PFC and on Tuesday my husband and I spent some time--maybe an hour--walking around the mall. I had to stop and sit down for a few minutes about every 15 or 20 minutes. Today, just a few days later, we went shopping at Walmart, spent some time picking out some new pants and shorts for me, and then grocery shopped. I never once thought "Gee, I wish there was someplace to sit down." I was a little tired when we were done, but nowhere near exhausted. 

    I am with you 100% about moving beyond the cancer. I can't yet: I haven't even started radiation yet. But after doing lots of reading in various threads on these boards I have come to the conclusion that moving beyond it IS my eventual goal. 

    It seems like it's really easy to become obsessed with it and just continue to worry and fret about it for *years*. Some seem to do exactly that. I don't want to do that. I want to finish my radiation (if I ever do get to start it lol) and then put cancer away in a box and only open that box when I have to have a follow-up visit or test or whatever. The fact is that if it's going to come back, it's going to come back, and all the worrying and fretting in the world won't change that..... and if it never comes back I don't want to have wasted any more time than I had to on thinking about it and worrying about it. In fact, even if it does come back--ESPECIALLY if it comes back-- I don't want to have wasted any more time than necessary worrying about it.

    It helps a lot that I do know other women personally who have had breast cancer and have moved past it and seem to be getting on with their lives just fine. So I know that it can be done.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited May 2014

    Well said Lisa!!!!!

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited May 2014

    Lisa, you are so right and have such a good outlook.  I am so much more of a worrier and I really need to shift my focus on to something else.  My problem is that I am so much less busy now than I was before diagnosis (so I can de-stress and relax). But my free time is becoming my worry time.  Maybe when the kids come home I can focus on them.  They will not like that.

    Ellen, I hear you about the spontaneous tears.  That has happened to me twice since finishing radiation.  I still feel like I am in the midst of the storm, but with no safe haven.  I think it is PTSD.

    Please don't stop posting.

    I, for one, have gotten very attached to all of you and I would never have come through this without you.

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited May 2014

    smrlvr, I have a good outlook in my SANE moments lol. I have my share of worry moments too, believe me. 

    This week I feel tossed back into the whirlwind. Echocardiogram today. Port removal scheduled for in the morning (we have to be there at 6:15!)  Then just a few minutes ago my RO's office called and said they want me there at 3:30 tomorrow to get a few more films and start radiation. Fun part is that my port removal is going to be "with a margarita in my IV," so my preference would most likely be to come home and sleep all day. It's going to be a long day....but, my husband has stuff he can work on at home tomorrow so he'll be here to drive me to both appointments (and to make sure I'm actually awake to go to the RO's office,) so I reckon I'm good to go. After that my regular radiation schedule starts on Wednesday; I asked for mornings and she gave me 11:00, which is going to split all my days in half for the next 6 or however many weeks, but oh well.

    Let's get this (next) show on the road!

  • Phebe38
    Phebe38 Member Posts: 197
    edited May 2014

    ok I want to vent! I don't like what's happening to my fingernails. They are turning bluish color and whitish. There's tingling feeling and it's weird. I know some of them are going to fall off like my fingernail of my left thumb. It just gross me out to see them like that. I'm not hurting just funny feeling. What next? I'm so sick of this 😞☺😡 I know I should be happy that I'm just about done but I just feel like screaming. My hair is starting to grow 😊👍 I'm In the city with my son JR I get to spend time with him. My sister and I are going to roam in the city tonight. Oh I have such mixed emotions 😰😊❤crying and happy to be with my siste. Eight more rads to go hippeee 

  • barb1319
    barb1319 Member Posts: 27
    edited May 2014

    Hi, I did a search for blurred vision which is worsening on me here. Your post popped up.   I finished chemo last Oct. but still on Herceptin and arimidex.  What did your ophtalmologist say about the blurred vision?  Mine comes and goes but is worse reading and on the computer.  I am thinking of stopping the arimiodex for a while as I have slowly noticed the joint pain, weight gain, general aches increase.  Now I am wondering if the vision changes are also attributable to arimnidex?  I never had the blurred vision, like someone rubbed vaseline in my eyes, while on TCH.  Have two more herceptins.  Don't know what to make of it.  Thanks.  Let me know.  Am worried but just need a bit of guidance.  

  • Bec65
    Bec65 Member Posts: 312
    edited May 2014

    Phebe, my fingernails looked just like you describe yours.  I'm now somewhere around 12 weeks PFC, and I STILL have blackish/bluish/greenish yuck under three of my nails.  The rest are super white from about 1/3 the way up where they aren't attached to the nail bed.  I keep them trimmed as short as I can and I started wearing nail polish because the moldy look was grossing me out.  Hang in there...I hope you have fun with your sister.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited May 2014

    Phebe- my nails are still white lined and bumpy and I'm 16 weeks PFC, I'm keeping them coated with sally Hansen strong nails as they split or crack with the slightest provocation.

    I am still waiting CT results, I say still, had them taken yesterday, but cannot stand the what ifs in my mind, trying not to let that in but it keeps coming up...Hate waiting for results..!!!

    smrlvr- I'm like you and needing to be constantly busy or get worried....trying to relax and enjoy and start over...I was doing great actually til I had to do these scans...!!!  I almost would rather NOT know if it's going to be something bad...so who knows why I went along with the MO saying we needed to redo them...I think she wanted to reassure me and settle the liver spot issue once and for all, so hoping all is good...wondering WHEN they will call me!!! 

    Getting an ultrasound tomorrow of my subclavian vein...had swelling and issues since port in and then removed...they are thinking the chemo damaged my vein??  Or he said I could have a blood clot!  NICE! 

    I don't have one thing going on today except laundry and I already worked out and showered, I NEED more to do!!  I cannot stand idle time..!  Wishing I wouldn't have closed my boutique, it did give me something to do every day...darn....

    I am officially 'off the wig/hat phase and topless' - going everywhere without anything on!  It's in the 90's here and I cannot imagine having anything covering my head out in that!  I have gotten some looks but don't even care anymore!  so there! 

    Wishing you all well, and I will post when I know my results!  I KNOW they are good!

     


     

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited May 2014

    Audra, if you need something to do you are welcome to come clean my house and do our laundry. lol.

    Or you could take your entrepreneurial spirit online and do something like opening a shop on Zazzle.com. I really have fun with mine.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited May 2014

    drove to work today (150 miles round trip) and worked a full day and am now utterly wiped out.  Gah! Done with fatigue and bone pain already.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited May 2014

    I already have a website online for shop...it has slowed significantly with me not adding new things and all...I am thinking will just let it go as it is up in a month or so anyway...just not sure...was wanting a year to regroup...but boring ...

    hope you feel better Quirky!!!

    still waiting for test results, after 5 now, so obviously tomorrow or next day now, arghhh....

  • jab
    jab Member Posts: 220
    edited May 2014

    Hi Ladies,

    Ellen/Lisa - You raise an interesting point, that I had also been thinking about. As we move through the various stages of 'care' associated with BC treatment, and become 'better' the question comes up, what next? Undoubtetly we have all been effected in ways other than physical. (I had a heck of an anxiety attack at Home Depot yesterday, my second in a month, and I have never ever had an enxietty attack in my life prior to this so I know it's effected me....). That said, I cannot accept that I had BC and am now recovering from BC for purely negative purposes. I suspose this might be where we all consider our spiritual or philosophical beliefs, but ultimately doesn't it dependant on us, as individuals, to make this into something that allows us to be better overall, and we recognize it as a positive as we move forward?

    I know this is rather heady stuff for Wednesday morning, but I feel like I have a window, where I still remember how bad chemo was, and how close I felt to not wanting to keep going, and the moments now, when I am feeling so much better, and have the motivation and committment to make BC a good thing. It feels like before long, life will take over and I will forget how valuable life is, and take it for granted again. I don't ever want that to happen again.

    Anyway, I'm not sure how others feel about this. I know I don't want to be someone who makes BC into the bane of my existance (although, for the last year has been, and still is, the bane of my existance...). I want to look back 5 years from now and think how BC was a wake-up call allowing me to make difference choices, allowing more meaning in my life.

    I'd be really interseted in what others think of this. Maybe I'm just going a bit crazy....

    Audra - I TOTALLY relate to hating for results. I think I'd rather have a boob removed than wait for another CT result. (I'm waiting for pathology from my surgery right now too...)

    Quirky - 150mi drive for work? GOOD for you!! I find driving is one of the hardest things to do, and I use to put on over 60 000km a year on my car, so I use to drive a lot. I hope your feeling better. That is crazy stressful driving, when you feel like crap.

    Phebes - I too have the fingrrnail thing happening. My hands look like that of a witch, with cracked and serously ugly nails and they are all seperating from the nail beds. It is a constant reminder what I still have a ways to go to get back to 'normal'. Phebes, like, bec, I too clip mine short to help save them from falling off.

    smlvrl/ellen/All - Heres my spontaneous tears story - I was at Home Depot and look down and realize I left the house without 'preparing' as I was in a hurry. I had on sandels that showed my broken, green and missing toenails, a sweater that was open enough to show my bag-o-blood from my drain from my Mast, and my pants where dirty as I was in the garden an1/2 hour earlier and couldn't stand due to boob pain from surgery. (I had to go on my knees in the mud, to get a grip to get myself to my feet). I also had on a hat, not my wig and  I was hot flashing. And I did not have on any boobs so was concave in the boob area. As the girl at the cash rang me through, she was suddenly really really nice. I figure she must of either thought of me as a homeless person with bad hygiene, or as a cancer patient. Anyway, the pity hit me hard. I went to the car and cried. And cried. And to make matters worse, I forget to get what I went to the store for in the first place.... I know things will get better, but I still really hate it when I feel pity from others.

    Amazon - Glad your feeling better - I love carrot cake - Send some of those my way!

    I hope all are having a good day minus the spontaneous tears!

    JAB

  • jab
    jab Member Posts: 220
    edited May 2014

    One more thing.. (I'm sorry I'm chatty this morning.....) I am not growing hair on my head, I am growing fur. Yup, I'm becoming a golden retriever... My hair is really really weird, super soft and fur like. Anyone else turning into a dog out there? Maybe all that chemo affected my genes, kinda like the movie The Fly....,

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited May 2014

    JAB - I'm having the same philosophical questions these days.  I don't want the insights I've gain from this experience to be lost or wasted.   I'm growing a soft bunny pelt on my head.  

  • ellenkc
    ellenkc Member Posts: 173
    edited May 2014

    Quick note re: philosophy, as I am at work:

    I wrote something on a friend's Facebook page and sarcastically described myself as a "two-time cancer winner", as in how lucky do you have to be to get this twice. But the more I think about it, the more I like the term "winner" in both its sarcastic and positive interpretations -- especially since I hate the term survivor.

    Ellen

    P.S: I called my hair stage the "Labrador Retriever" stage. Have now progressed to the "long enough to stick out, not long enough to do anything about it" stage.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited May 2014

    you're so funny, Ellen.  I like winner. Survivor sometimes makes me feel like I've been rescued from a boat lost at sea. Although cancer treatment is definitely something you survive!

  • jab
    jab Member Posts: 220
    edited May 2014

    I hate the 'survivor'. It makes me feel that all those before us, who didn't survive, are not being respected. It is definately more a lottery making our coming out if this healthy (and happy) a win!

    Ellen, I remember you Golden Retriever comment. Does the soft stuff just fall out and normal hair backfill, or do we end up with two 'coats' like a huskey? Don't get me wrong, I kinda like this soft stuff, but I'll need to go to a dog groomer not a hairdresser if it gets too long.

  • ellenkc
    ellenkc Member Posts: 173
    edited May 2014

    Jab -- At least for me, as the soft hair gets longer, it starts feeling like regular hair. Of course, "longer" is a relative term, as in just enough to lift off my scalp. -- Ellen

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited May 2014

    Sleepless due to bone pain. I'm three months PFC and still having residual bone pain in my feet and hips from Neulasta.  Anyone else still having pain this far out?  It waxes and wains.

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