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bluepearl
bluepearl Member Posts: 961
edited July 2014 in Alternative Medicine

Has anyone know whether mistletoe supplements interact negatively with tamoxifen? Has any doctor advised against it?

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  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited April 2014

    Bluepearl, I love Sloan Kettering's website for questions like this:  Sloan Kettering Herb Index--Mistletoe

    It did say that it can help make chemo stronger but didn't mention tamoxifen.  It's supposed to boost the immune system also.  

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited April 2014

    Piper, I really like that index too - very useful. Where does it say that it makes chemo stronger? 

  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2014

    I don't know about an interaction with Tamoxifen.

    Are you currently taking this?  Or considering it?  

  • mila_vegas
    mila_vegas Member Posts: 15
    edited April 2014

    Hello, misletoe comes in an injectable form as a vaccine called Iscador and is used widely in Europe, Mexico, Canada. Unfortunately FDA prohibits the use, the sale, or the import of it. I really want to try it, have a friend in Europe that have been injecting it for few years, stage 4 breast cancer, and she thinks that the vaccine is keeping her cancer at bay. If anybody knows how i can get the vaccine in Usa,please let me know. Suzane Sommers is using it too. God Bless You!!!

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited April 2014

    This is an article that mentions there are 50 doctors in the U.S. who are allowed to prescribe mistletoe. One of them is a doctor and homeopath in the Baltimore area, Dr. Peter Hinderberger. My Uncle was a patient of his, and thought very highly of him. Not sure how you'd find out who the other doctors are! Maybe you could call his office and ask if he can recommend a doctor in your area, who prescribes it? 

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-09-11/news/p...

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited April 2014

    I wanted to use it because I have a fatty liver and tamoxifen can make that worse and mistletoe has been found to help get rid of fatty liver disease (along with diet). I just didn't want something that could reduce tamoxifen's effects since mistletoe and tamoxifen are converted by the liver. I haven't found anything yet.

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited April 2014

    Oops Momine, I misread that:  "Mistletoe extracts have anticancer effects in vitro (21). But well-designed randomized trials are lacking. A meta-analysis analyzed 11 of these clinical trials conducted before 1994 and showed no benefit from mistletoe (1), but recent systematic reviews point to the accumulating evidence in support of mistletoe while emphasizing the need for well-designed clinical trials (17)(18). Epidemiologic data also suggest survival advantage following treatment with mistletoe (2)(3). When used in conjunction with chemotherapy, a mistletoe extract improved quality of life in a study of breast cancer patients."

    It would appear that no studies were done with tamoxifen and mistletoe, but one way to look at it is that tamox blocks estrogen from latching onto cell receptors and that goes for all cells.  The problem of course is that it is natural for estrogen to nourish all the cells of your body (including bone, liver, and brain cells) and  not just feed BC.  So, if I were the OP and wanted to do this, I would thoroughly research all the actions of tamox and mistletoe and see in what possible way they could fight each other--your doc won't say b/c studies haven't been done.  Have you been on pubmed?  

    bluepearl, what diet are you doing for your fatty liver?  I read that it's not a high fat diet that causes it, but metabolic syndrome, which is more related to a high carb diet.  Many people take milk thistle or dandelion root for liver health.  

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited April 2014

    I am going on a high protein diet/low glycemic index....when I reach a good weight. then I will do two day fast diet. which means you pick any two days of the week, not necessarily consecutive, and either eat a 500 caloric per day diet OR a high protein diet...seems to confer quite a bit of healthy results. The other five days, you eat reasonably normally......(not unheathily which is why I am here now.....just made the BMI of 30 which mean obese). Additionally, where you pack your fat doesn't matter anymore regarding cancer......it's the FAT period. So BMI is important. My Dad died and my sister and I had quite a bit of home care that needed to be done with him.....I just ate. Now it's time to move on.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited April 2014

    Piper, ok, just wanted to make sure we read the same thing. An awful lot of CAM approaches have been studied as QOL enhancers and the like.

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited April 2014

    Here's some Johns Hopkins info on Mistletoe.

    http://hub.jhu.edu/magazine/2014/spring/mistletoe-therapy-cancer

    Have you ever heard of Dr. Thomas Cowan? Here's his page on "Iscador."

    http://fourfoldhealing.com/2007/12/30/iscador/

    Look in the back of Suzanne Somers' book. There's a company that distributes it in the US. Maybe that's already been covered on this thread.

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited April 2014

    Weleda is the manufacturer. Google.

  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2014
  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2014

    Anyone currently using Mistletoe?  I'd like to know what your experience has been.  PM me if you would prefer.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited May 2014
  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2015

    dlb - thank you sooooo much for sharing this link.  I have done extensive research on this therapy.  Blessings to you!

  • mila_vegas
    mila_vegas Member Posts: 15
    edited May 2014

    Wow, thanks for sharing!!! I am planning to start the therapy next week:)

  • Sian65
    Sian65 Member Posts: 99
    edited May 2014

    I live in Sweden and spent some rehab time in an anthroposophic
    hosptial in 2013. I began with mistletoe while there and continued for awhile because I thought I should take
    something since I won't take tamoxifen. Stopped the mistletoe because the research
    around it is extremely limited and really poor quality (I am a researcher by training and place a high value on evidence based practice).  So now I basically do nothing - I work 80% (so not over-taxed), I eat a 100% ecological vegetarian diet (the ecological is relatively new - but I have been vegetarian for 31 years) and exercise when I can be bothered. Just restarted my period a few days ago after 2.5 years without it.  My oncologist said it was of no consequence and so I just think my body is finally getting itself sorted out... on its own.

  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2015

    Sian - thanks for sharing.  When you used mistletoe, what brand did you use?  How long did you use it?  Did you have any reactions to it?

    I am an academic instructor first and researcher second.  Do they use mistletoe along with conventional treatments in Sweden?  It's my understanding that in Germany they can use it as a adjuvent with conventional treatments.

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