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  • ellenkc
    ellenkc Member Posts: 173
    edited April 2014

    It has been a long time, so I thought I would check in.

    On the one hand, I am doing a lot. Working in my main job about 20 to 25 hours a week, managing rentals, staging a house, and trying to walk a lot. I've been walking up to 2-3 miles at a time, trying to hit 10 to 14 miles a week. I thought the docs were making it up, but I really do feel much better after I walk. I walked 2 miles in an event last weekend, plus I walked a mile from my house to the event (I live right near a college campus) and back, so a total of 4 miles with some breaks. It just seemed really silly to drive 1 mile in order to walk 2 miles!

    On the other hand, at 4 months out from chemo and 2 months out from radiation, I am still getting fatigue and muscle/bone pain at times. At least a couple of times a week I work until 3-4 in the afternoon but absolutely have to get horizontal for at least an hour or two after that. Sometimes I can get up later, sometimes not. I am impatient about still experiencing that, but kind of getting used to it and partly accepting it, partly getting better ever so slowly.

    Next Saturday will be 1 year since my husband went into the hospital, to be released into hospice & my care at home. For those that are new here, I was diagnosed 3 weeks after he passed in August. What a year it has been! But I feel myself coming out of that dark tunnel and returning to life.

    Here's a picture so you can see my hair at 4 months. What do you think? Is it getting longer than Molly the cat's? I can definitely compete with her on thickness. (Amazon, if I am not smiling, it is because I am concentrating on juggling the cat and the camera. Probably had my tongue between my teeth Smile) -- Ellen

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  • Palameda
    Palameda Member Posts: 259
    edited April 2014

    Yup, slow walk. On Wednesday I get an infusion of zometa. I cheerfully set up the appointment, then odd some reading and found out a lot of people feel like they've got the flu after the first infusion. Great. My insurance just came through with the authorization. I'd asked my MO about getting it, after the findings from the December San Antonio conference indicated that it gives us post-menos a 17% decrease in death. That sounded good to me!

    I'm trundling along, the pains that recurred were absolutely in my muscles not my joints, it seems we "get" to have flashbacks of chemo pains, I'd rather have LSD flashbacks, personally. From my AI I've got some joint stiffness, but nothing that I can't handle. I flew to SoCal for the day Thursday, and my shoulders ached being stuck in that dreaded middle seat! I thought about you Becca, and wondered how your trip to UCLA went. What an honor that your DS was accepted there! Is he going to make the right decision on his own?

    I'm finally checking in next week with my primary care md for the first time since starting treatment. Such a lot of updating to do. I've figured out that the foot pain I've got isn't neuropathy at all. I'd forgotten that I had a bad reaction to one of the antibiotics I was on for my postop infection. It left me incapable of walking up stairs by shortening the tendons in my lower legs and ankles. When this happens it sometimes slowly resolves, sometimes doesn't. Duh...that's what's up with that problem. Somehow it's good to know what caused what. One good thing that's come out of all this, my chronic migraines were magically reduced during treatment. I've figured that out too: I was on either Ativan or sleeping pills since diagnosis. I was a good girl and tapered off. Bam! Back to headaches 5 of 7 days a week. I've put myself back on the remainder of my drugs, taking just 1 Ativan per day: headaches so much better. Going to talk to primary about that!

  • Bec65
    Bec65 Member Posts: 312
    edited March 2015

    I'm beginning to think the future is filled with joint stiffness and aches! First chemo, now I read tamoxifen can cause it (and I'm living it), AIs cause it, and Zometa will when I need that. ARGHHHHHHHHH! This is definitely the first, second and third item on my list for my MO Thursday.

    Lisa, thanks for the reco of the tamoxifen thread. After doing some reading there, I'm thinking that tamoxifen may also be the cause of my not sleeping as well anymore. Another question for my MO.

    Ellen, it's good to hear from you! Your hair looks great...I can't wait for mine to look like yours.

    For some reason, it occurred to me a few minutes ago that last year at about this time, I had my regular annual lab work and PCP visit where everything was normal -- lab work and PCP breast exam. Then, four months later, kerploohy, I have breast cancer. I know my MO told me that this had probably been growing for a few years. If that's the case, shouldn't my lab work last April have been off? This is the same lab work we're supposed to rely on now after treatment to tell us we're NED? Am I missing something? I was starting to get my head around there being no regular scans after our treatment, but now I'm getting the willies again.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited April 2014

    Ellen - so great to hear how you are doing! Please keep checking back in and join thr FB group.  Love the photo.

    Wrenn, how are you?

  • ellenkc
    ellenkc Member Posts: 173
    edited April 2014

    P.S. Just my silly mind, but I have been naming the hair stages: (1) Sick as Hell (2) Prisoner of War (3) Labrador Retriever (especially if your hair is thick like mine) (4) drum roll please .... I think I am entering the Distinguished Gentleman phase.

    (you know you are getting older when guys with gray or white hair start looking hot!)

    Ellen

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited April 2014

    jab, I am so happy to hear your test results were good ones!

    Lisa I am glad you are feeling better and starting your radiation soon.  I have found the techs to be personable and competent.  Sounds like your are too.  

    Ellen, it is good to hear from you! I can't wait to have the hair you do!  You seem very active and that is great!

    Bec, congratulations that DS chose UCLA.  It is a great school!  Sounds like you are having joint pain and sleep problems with tamoxifen?  Great.  Just what I need to look forward to.  Even though I am so tired from radiation, I still have problems sleeping.

    The techs told me to listen to my body and take it easy so that is what I have been doing for the past few days.  No walking.  Monday is my last radiation, and hopefully I will start feeling better soon.  This achiness and fatigue is worse than from the taxol.  At least the taxol SEs went away over time.  This is constant.  An tiring.

    For those of you who PMed me about our Facebook group, here is the update.  For those of you who provided me with your emails, I added you via email.  If you don't receive a group invite, let me know.  For those of you who gave me names, I can't add you unless we are friends some friend requested you. A few of you I could not find so I PMed you with my info so you can friend me.

    Monday is my very last radiation and my last visit with my RO forms while.  I hope I don't cry again as I have done for the last 2 meetings.  Bec, like you I am cynical about the follow up care process as I am about everything these days.

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited April 2014

    Ellen - LOL.  I was sitting around with my head bare after a hot flash a little while ago and leaned my head on my husband's arm. He squirmed around a bit for a moment and then said "You know, your head sort of feels like a cactus right now...." 

  • ellenkc
    ellenkc Member Posts: 173
    edited April 2014

    Bec65 -- I am curious what lab work would show the presence of cancer. Mine was early stage, so we are not even doing scans, though I do have my first follow-up mammogram on Monday. RO says not to freak out when it shows scar tissue where the lumpectomy was done. Other than that, I am told we just have to wait and see.

    I am not aware of any lab work that would show cancer, particularly in tests that the primary doc would order. If there is some, I would love to know about it. -- Ellen

  • jab
    jab Member Posts: 220
    edited April 2014

    Hi Ladies,

    Ellen - Love your hair stages - I'm looking forward to 'Looking a bit like a female' stage....

    Smlvrl - Thanks for all the work is setting up the facebook group!! I hear you about listening to the body. Not an easy thing to do. Congrats on you last radiation!! Hopefully, you'll start to feel better after your done!

    Bec - I'm still prettty sore too, but at least I'm moving now. Regarding lab work and being diagnosed, I am now of the opinion that there are no absolutely conclusive tests, blood work, or scans that will always find reoccurrences of breast cancer (This is also what my RO told me...). Apparently it is a more diffucult kind of cancer to see with scans (including PET), and  there are no blood tests currently that are good to indicate recurrences. (If anyone knows otherwise, please chime in!! Anyway as many here, I want to make sure I'm being tested regularily, and right now that looks like an annual MRI.

    My RO told me last week that they have to start my radiation soon after the surgery, so, vacation my husband and I had planned got cancelled. Darn. I have not been anywhere since last September!! So I booked a long weekend at a favorate resort on PEI. I really need to escape the daily grind of cancer recovery for a few days.... I wonder how my golf swing will change with no boobs?!

    I hope all are doing well this weekend.

  • Phebe38
    Phebe38 Member Posts: 197
    edited April 2014

    hi everyone: I' ve been reading faithfully but somehow I can't seemed to comment, too tongue-tied. I realize we all went through drastic dramatic experience. After chemo I went through post dramatic experience. I've been seeing a social worker privately. I cried and cried while seeing a councillor for the first time. It is getting better, I don't take any pills for depression. I go for walks. I'm 10/25 just about half ways through done. No SE except getting tired and having naps or once a day, going for walks once a day. On the brighter side. I lost 18 lbs since October eating healthy and eating six smaller daily. Ellen, I'm just starting whisker-like hair. Lol. Wow! You have such nice hair. Next time I will try to comment on your posts.

  • Amazonwarrior
    Amazonwarrior Member Posts: 485
    edited April 2014

    Ellen: It's nice to hear from you! You have been through so much in the past year! 

    It's great to see the sparkle in your eyes now. That indicates that you are indeed coming out of the dark tunnel and getting your life back! I can also sense the smile behind the kitty. :)

    I like the staging of hair growth that you mentioned. BTW your hair looks fantastic and I can't wait for mine to be that long and thick!

    My hair, as I mentioned earlier, is still in the 'prisoner of war' or 'concentration camp survivor' look and feels rather prickly like a hedgehog especially on top of my head.  

    Pat, bec, jab, smrlvr:  I hear you on the muscle/joint pain issue. My muscle pain plateaued since I started RT and I am honestly starting to think that this constant pain is here to stay. :( Some kind of delayed neuropathy and I am starting to feel depressed about it.  I feel ancient with this kind of debilitating pain. Will this muscle pain ever go away?! I am not able to get my walking done feeling like this as if had a high level of lactic acid built up in my thighs and ankles after a marathon.

    Smrlvr: Thanks again for setting up the FB page. One more and you are done!

    Phebe: Good to hear from you and I am glad to hear that you have minimal SE with RT. I think that many of us suffer from PTSD after going through bc and it's only good to seek help. 

    As far as tests, I was told that the only thing that my MO is going to do is an annual mammo and that's it! Really?! It doesn't sound like much. Not even blood work?!

    I might have to have that and possible other tests done somewhere else. I don't even know what I would like to have done, but what they are currently doing doesn't sound like much to me!

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited April 2014

    Amazon, I had that same lactic acid feeling but it has greatly improved.  I hope yours does soon. My MO says I'll get a mamo on the effected breast every six month and the other yearly. No blood work or other tests unless I turn out to be carrying the gene and then they might add a MRI.  

  • Amazonwarrior
    Amazonwarrior Member Posts: 485
    edited April 2014

    quirky: How long did it take for the pain to go away?

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited April 2014

    The most intense was gone after about 4-5 weeks.  My legs still ache but nothing like that.

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited April 2014

    Phebe, I've been going through some sort of post trauma thing myself, so I know how you feel. I've cried more in the past three weeks than in the entire last 10 years put together and most of the time I couldn't even say exactly why I was crying. I have started taking anti-depressants, but it takes them a while to work, apparently as long as several weeks. I hope we both are feeling much better soon!

    Congratulations on the weight loss!

  • Bec65
    Bec65 Member Posts: 312
    edited April 2014

    Phebe, it's good to hear from you! It sounds like you're doing good things to take care of yourself.  

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited April 2014

    I'm on day 27 of my 30 days of radiation and the radiated breast has an orange peel appearance (in addition to be red and some skin sloughing off - ow!).  Anyone else have the dimpled skin thing going on?

  • Amazonwarrior
    Amazonwarrior Member Posts: 485
    edited April 2014

    quirky: I'm not there yet, as today was my 5/25. So far I am experiencing some redness and tenderness.

    Only 3 more to go and you are done!!!  

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited April 2014

    finished rads today.  Met with RO and did not cry,but cried in my car in the parking lot.  Those,people,took good,care of me. This is a weird feeling, being finished with treatment.  RO said muscle and joint pains were not from radiation, but the techs said they could be, so I don't know what to,think.  I am just tired, achy and sore,from radiation.

  • inks
    inks Member Posts: 746
    edited April 2014

    Congrats on being done with rads! I hope your SE subside and you get a nap in when you need it.


  • jab
    jab Member Posts: 220
    edited April 2014

    Hi All

    Phebe's - I can also appreciate the emotions you are feeling about this. This is very hard stuff. When I finished Chemo, I felt very emotional too. It's a hard thing to explain to anyone who has not been there. And keeping those emotions bottles (as I have found out...) is not a good thing either so good for you for getting a councilor to talk too!!! And Phebe's don't ever feel like you can't chat here. I am sure we have all had days on this forum, that the act of writing something seems hard, and the words don't come easily, but in the end it really helps to get it out.

    Quirky - Congrats on getting to the finish line with Rads!!

    I hope all are doing Ok on this rainy cold Tuesday - Yes, I am still whinning about the weather. I moved back to the east coast a few years ago, as in my humble opinion it is the most beautoful place on the planet, BUT, the weather sucks big this year. We have had 2 sunny days for the whole spring. Lots and lots of rain. My garden looks like a rain forest.

    Two days til surgery. Oddly, I am more emotional about loosing this breast than I was the first. Being big breasted I have always had a lot of 'me' invested in my boobs. In two days when I look down, it will be very odd, and I am sure disturbing. Anywho, we gotta do what we gotta do. If BC has taught me anything, its resiliance....

    JAB

  • wallymama
    wallymama Member Posts: 146
    edited April 2014

    I've had a really lousy week. Whatever SEs could show up have. Hubby had to take me for my final CBC as I didn't think I could drive. Too weak. Got put on antibiotics because, overnight, I developed 9 infected hair follicles under my BC arm. There's no hair there, but it must be trying to grow back. This problem has be going on since last summer, though not this many at a time. I'm just glad that it finally showed up when I was going to the doc so she could see it. I don't know how, but I think it must somehow be connected to the Big Ugly. I lost 12 pounds this week. I've managed to eat just enough to not feel too hungry. Really nasty taste at the back of my throat makes everything taste bad. Starting to get a little better, slowly. Honestly, if I had known that it would be this bad, I don't think I would have had that final treatment. I'm really not sure that the effects of it were worth it.

    Smrlvr, congrats on finishing rads. I would believe the techs about the pain. I'm sure that they hear more complaints from patients than the docs do simply because they spend more time with them. I understand about sitting in the car crying. Finishing treatment seems like it would cause some issues. We still have the fears and SEs, but now no one will understand what is wrong. It's over, why are you still feeling bad? Just getting through this won't make all of the problems go away. SEs linger, fear lingers, uncertainly lingers. Hopefully each day will be better than the one before.

    Quirky, only 3 more!! Just a few more steps to make it out of the tunnel.

    Amazon, I'm having that lactic acid feeling in my legs also. Forget going up or down the stairs. Just walking through the house is a chore. I don't think there is any blood tests that targets BC. Apparently, there really isn't ANY tests that does a very good job of picking some of them up. Not a happy thought, but we all have to try to believe that we've done our time and we'll be fine.

    Ellen, great hair. And you're looking so good!

    Jab, sorry about your vacation. But a weekend away would be so good right now. Hoping to get one in later this summer. A weekend that is, I know there's no vacation away this year for me. Raining here too, but at least it's not cold. It's supposed to clear up by tomorrow so hopefully I can get the daughters and sons-in-law here over the weekend to get the pool up and going.

    Phebe, it's good that you are getting the help you need. Stick with it and everything will get better someday.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited April 2014

    Must be a day for tears. I shed some today, too.  Hugs to all of you dear ladies.  

  • wallymama
    wallymama Member Posts: 146
    edited April 2014

    I may have to find the strength to knock the next person who tells me the worst is over in the head. Including my darling hubby. The worst won't be over until something, anything, including water tastes ok. I don't even want good at this point. I just want ok. When I no longer feel hungry because everything tastes funny, then the worst will be over. So shut up already!

    Rant over.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited April 2014

    I agree.  Until your tastebuds return the world is still not right - says woman who enjoyed a yummy burger today because they do come back and YOURS WILL SOON!!! :D 

  • Bec65
    Bec65 Member Posts: 312
    edited April 2014

    Excellent rant, wallymama!  

    Ahhhhh, the pervasive infected hair follicle.  Why didn't ANYONE tell us this would be such a problem during treatment?  Remember my butt boil?  Infected hair follicle.  I also had a stye in my eye for about a month during chemo -- infected hair follicle.  It was huge.  During rads I had raised itchy ired bumps all over the treated area -- inflammed hair follicles.  Hair is the bane of our existence during this odyssey.  

    jab, good luck with your surgery.  I hope it's easier this time knowing what to expect.  How many rads will you have?

    Smrlvr...you're done with radiation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Woo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I know the completion comes with mixed feelings, though.   I'm going to ask my MO on Thursday about the aches and pains...I'll let you know what she says.   I've actually played out a dream sequence in my head where I tell her how terrible the aches and pains are, then she says they're from tamoxifen, then I tell her I can't take the pain anymore, then she says we'd better take my ovaries out and start on AIs.  It's almost too much to hope for!

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited April 2014

    Wally, sorry your SEs are bad this time.  Just pamper yourself, stay in bed and rest.  Eat what you like. Things will get better.

    Jab, I will be thinking of you when you get your surgery.  I wish you a speedy recovery.  You should be feeling pretty well for the warm weather.

    Phebe, I totally get the emotions.  It's like after all the tests, scans, surgeries, dr. Appointments, treatments line have suddenly ended. Nothing until June.  Of course I still feel physically tired and my hair,is sparse, so it's not really over.  I am glad you are walking.

    Quirky, only 2 more to go for you!  No dimpling on my skin but under the arm is peeling and painful.  My chest is burned and the skin feels thicker and leathery.

    Hope everyone is well.

  • jab
    jab Member Posts: 220
    edited April 2014

    Wally - I hope your feeling OK soon. I can see you coming through the chemo tunnel - We are here waiting for you - No women left behind!!! (That's me cheering you on....You can do this Wally!)

    Bec - You are the Queen of indignant infections. Those infections sound really sore.

    smlvrl - Congrats!!! And a good cry is always theraputic! I'll cry with you too.

    Thanks ladies for the words of support, re: my surgery - BC treatment is definately a marathon, not a sprint. Just when I am feeling like I am getting a bit better, Whammo, something else comes along.

    Hot flashes, OMG I am sick of hot flashes!! Does anyone have any advise on how to cool these down? I am swinging between being very hot to very cold on a 4 minute cycle - Boy, oh boy,  have I had enough of this.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited April 2014

    Wally, are you our last chemo lady or is that someone else?

    Hot flashes stink. I'm cold now (and only a bath will work to warm me up) but will be nightgown and coverless by midnight. Grr.

  • brigadoonbenson
    brigadoonbenson Member Posts: 412
    edited April 2014

    Quirky girl - Have you noticed a relationship between the number and intensity of hot flashes with the number of carbs consumed.  I have limited my carbs after 3 and upped my protein (cheese, nuts, etc for snacks) and I find it has helped. 

    The last bath I took was a joke!.  I was cold and drew myself a cozy bath to ease my legs, aches and pains and heat to the bone.  I put a little olive oil in and some rose oil.  It felt wonderful!  However, when I tried to get out I couldn't get purchase on anything.  The oil made me AND the bathtub slippery as an eel.  I finally had to have my husband pull me over the lip of the tub until my body was more out than in and I fell on the floor.  No dignity in any of it.  No grace..  

    It will be a LONG time before I take another bath.


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