Diagnosed today with Invasive Ductal Carcinoma - Very nervous

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MarieNJ
MarieNJ Member Posts: 231

I got the bad news today that I have invasive ductal carcinoma. I am sick over it.  On the ultrasound, it indicates 5 mm hypoechoic lesion at 6'oclock, 10 cm from the nipple. Please help me. I am a total wreck. It did say tiny nodule density in the right breast far posteriorly.  Anything you can advise. I'm all ears. I'm going to MSK on Monday. I am so worried that it spread. I go for mammos every year. 

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  • jamonthis
    jamonthis Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2014

    They diagnosed based on US without biopsy?  

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2014

    I am sorry. I probably didnt make myself clear. I had an ultrasound that indicated the 5mm hypoechoic lesion at 6 o'clock, 10 cm from the nipple. I also had a biopsy which indicated invasive ductal carsinoma, moderately to poorly differentiated. bi-rads 4B

    Does this sound like early detection? I go every year for my mammogram - faithfully. 

    Thank you so much for your response. I cant tell you how much I appreciate it.

  • redlessi
    redlessi Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2014

    I was recently diagnosed with IDC and DCIS in October 2013. I had a lumpectomy in Nov and another one in January. I just finished radiation treatment and now getting ready to start tamoxifen.  I know how scary this time for you is. Dont over think it and please do not read a lot of stuff on the internet. Stick with this site and the literature your doctor give you.  I too had annual mammograms faithfully and last years was fine and this years not.  Did they do any lymp node testing? Have you had surgery yet?

    As horrible as it is to hear this news, We are here for you. You will get through it.  My surgeries went well without a terrible amount of discomfort. Radiation was uncomfortable but I was able to work full time minus a few days off to rest. I have no idea what tamoxifen will be like but I know I can make it.

    If you have any specific questions, fire away.

  • Maureen1
    Maureen1 Member Posts: 614
    edited April 2014

    (((redlessi))) Tamoxifen hasn't been too bad for me, certainly not as tough as chemo was so hang in there...there are some great forums here on Tamoxifen and how to deal with the side effects:) 

    (((Mary1952))) so very sorry you have to join us...yes, it's hard to hear, I remember how devastated I felt when I got my biopsy results and, like you, I had my mammograms every year and thought I would "catch it early" but 1 month after another "normal" mammogram I referred myself to a surgeon to check out a lump and had a biopsy - it was IDC and DCIS. It may be hard to believe right now but once I got the pathology and had a treatment plan I felt better...I knew how to fight this beast and had a team I could trust to help me. There are so many women here who can answer your questions, we know what you're going thru and we're here for you...ask questions...let us know what you find out (((Hugs and Hope))) hang in there...Maureen

  • RMlulu
    RMlulu Member Posts: 1,989
    edited April 2014

    Mary - breathe!  These boards...stay here good information and great warriors to support, listen, encourage, and just be there. The 5mm is small...early detection...read up, there are some great books recommended as resources on this site.  Don't get ahead of yourself don't goggle igotcanceriamgoingtodie...stay here.

    Select an appointment buddy, write down all your questions, this site has great list to take with you too. go visit the BC center at MSK and find out what services they provide, go to a support group ask questions, use this time to choose your BC team, and know that we will be in our pocket.  You got this and you can do it!  Stay focus on today...one day at a time...don't run ahead and rehearse something you may never have to face...today...be here now...breathe wiggle your toes in the grass, blow some bubbles, soak in the love of family and friends...:)

    (((Hugs)))

    Cindy

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2014

    Thank you so much. I am so grateful that I found this forum. You have no idea. I didn't even see a breast surgeon yet. My gyno wanted me to see a breast surgeon at our local hospital, but I don't want to waste any time.  I'm seeing a breast surgeon on Monday. You can be sure I will let you all know how I make out.  The radiologist did an ultrasound of my armpit and said the lymph nodes appear normal.  My gyno said that will have to have a biopsy to make sure its not in there.  I'm in the process of getting the cd's of the ultrasound and mammos, going back 3 years. I already picked up the pathology slides. The doctor in NY wants the cd's or films and pathology slide 3 days before she sees me. So I am jumping!  Again thank you so very much for all your support.  Hugs to you all! :)

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited April 2014

    HUGS♥

    Sheila

  • Lenn13ka
    Lenn13ka Member Posts: 313
    edited April 2014

    Mary- you are doing everything right. Going to the best BC hospital in your region , getting a team together and gathering information. When I was first diagnosed I also did a lot of reading . My favorite book was the Breast Cancer Survival Manual by John Link, MD.. Dr. Susan Love's book is good too.

    You will find that breast cancer treatment options are very individualized and and getting all the information together before you make important decisions is critical. There isn't one way to do things these days. 

    You got this!

  • Rainonme
    Rainonme Member Posts: 11
    edited April 2014

    Stay strong! Have someone attend your doctor visits with you if possible.This will help you tremendously.My best friend went to every doctor visit and through all of my chemos with me.It was such a big help.When she see I was starting to lose it.She was able to ask the questions and keep my head above water.There were times I remember different things she didn't.So we would colaberate together.alot of information comes at you and quick.Dont be afraid to say hey I am having a hard time.Try to stay positive.I found laughter ,good friends and family was the best medicine.You are going to be okay!

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2014

    Today I will pick up my cd's of this year and going back 3.  Going to NY and dropping them off. The BC at my local hospital has been so accommodating. They will have it ready in a few hours. My appointment is Monday. I wish it were today.....

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2014

    I am writing down questions to ask the doctor - like grade? Is there any other questions that you all can give me a heads up on asking. I'm sure she is going to telling me things that I will need to know. I was reading about the hormone part of breast cancer. I was thinking of getting the BRAC gene test. Just to see if this is an inherited type. What are your thoughts?

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2014

    Ask for copies of all written reports, including your pathology report.  Start a binder so you can have this paperwork on hand.  I have referred back to mine many times for an assortment of reasons.  Some also find that taking a small handheld tape recorder, or recording your appointment on your cell phone, to be a handy way to refer back to points made by your physician.  On the subject of genetic testing - never a bad idea once you have been diagnosed with breast cancer, particularly if you have children.  It is important to note that the percentage of BRCA positive is relatively small, those diagnosed with breast cancer often have a strong family history of breast or ovarian cancer, or both, and are relatively young at the age of diagnosis.  Linked below is some information from BCO:

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/testing/genetic

    As far as wondering if you would be considered early stage, everything up to stage 3A is considered early stage.  If you are found to be node negative and your mass is 5mm, then you would most likely be stage 1, certainly early stage, but this is not known until after surgery.  Imaging often is somewhat inaccurate when estimating size, so staging is not formally done until looking at what has been surgically removed. 


  • momaton
    momaton Member Posts: 780
    edited April 2014

    mary,

    You will definitely want to have the Oncotype test and a sentinel node biopsy....just questions to ask your surgeon.. node involvement is important to know about

    5mm is very small and early. Ask about lumpectomy with radiation vs mastectomy.

    I went in to surgery with different opinions of my tumors...I went for Bilateral mastectomy inorder to avoid radiation....All my iffy tumors turned out to be invasive...so I made the right call.

    best wishes...ask and then ask again for the answeres you are looking for and unsure of.

    hugs

    Eve


  • RMlulu
    RMlulu Member Posts: 1,989
    edited April 2014

    Mary - you are in top of it! Special K is right on too! 

    Appointment buddy a must...solid stand up person

    File with all your records...I took it to all appointments...get copies of everything and check with your insurance to make sure everything is pure approved so no issues.

    Notebook with all your questions (3 copies) yours, Drs, and appt buddies to take notes BC our brain goes blank... Also all business cards and names of the front desk, RN, key staff...like in business be pleasant, use their names and thank them...honey goes a long may and you want them to be there when you need requests

    The Breast Cancer Husband great read and helpful I read and highlighted what I could not express to husband, family, so they would understand what I needed and where m head was.

    Review on this site understanding your dx and questions to ask ...make a copy.  Ask about all BRCA and oncotype testing...ask what your options are and visit all team members prior to finalizing your decision...

    Breathe, and review all your team says and then you determine what plan you feel is right for you...don't second guess yourself, don't look back, just press forward and follow your heart and gut for what is right for you!  In your pocket...Monday will be here soon enough:). The waiting is the hardest...so use it to your advantage...and enjoy family and friends this weekend!

    (((Hugs)))

    Cindy

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2014

    All my cd's and slides are at the doctor's office.  She wanted to view them a few days before my visit with her on Monday.  Can anyone tell me what can I expect on my first visit with the breast doctor.  I am better than I was on Tuesday, but still emotional drained.  Trying to stay positive.

  • Lenn13ka
    Lenn13ka Member Posts: 313
    edited April 2014

    Mary,

    Be prepared to get a lot of information. Until you get your final pathology and know definitely what you are dealing with  you can't decide on a treatment plan. Often the biopsy is much different from the final pathology ( as was in my case - went from stage 1 grade 1 to stage 2a grade 2/3) . Are you seeing a surgical oncologist or a Medical oncologist.? It makes a difference on which conversation you will be having.

    Make sure you ask about the Oncotype test. Listen, take notes, and make sure they are explaining things clearly to you. There is lots of great information on this site as to what questions you should be asking. You want to make sure you understand on your options.

    As Rmulu said... Breathe.. Nothing happens super fast.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited April 2014

    Mary - we can all so relate to what you are feeling. It seems like eons ago since I was officially DX. It has been 3 years this past January. This forum is better than a handbook for BC. All of these ladies are right - take notes or preferably have someone take them for you. You will be inundated with information and there is no way to possibly digest all of it. They will give you pamphlets, etc., as well. Your BS will talk to you about your particular tumor and what he/she recommends. Remember too this is your body and your life so you make the final call about surgery and treatment. You are so early in the process that all of this I am sure is confusing but once you meet with the BS a lot of it will make more sense to you.

    Keep in mind we are all here so you will get through this and we will help you. Keep us posted and above all keep the faith. Diane

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited April 2014

    My sister went with me to take notes.  My brain shorted out at my first visit with my BS. 

    I am so glad you are going to MSK --  keep doing what you are doing.  I write a busy breast

    cancer blog about every aspect of BC.  If you need some information, it is there.

    Sending you a hug...Denise

  • DeeC
    DeeC Member Posts: 102
    edited April 2014

    Hi,

    I was diagnosed with IDC and DCIS this Jan.  It was found on my routine mammogram, too.  Quite a shock to me although my sister was diagnosed in October 2012.  I never thought I would get it too.  Not the heredity gene.

    This site has been very helpful to me.  The Mayo Clinic Breast Cancer book is very good and up to date, printed in 2013.  Your library is a great resource, just check the book's date to make sure it is fairly new.  BC info changes frequently.

    My husband read The Cancer Husband.  He thought it was helpful though some info was out of date.

    So here I am after chemo # 4 doing much better than I expected.  Still have my hair!

    By the way I grew up in Ewing NJ!

    Dee

  • GerryMc
    GerryMc Member Posts: 7
    edited April 2014

    Hi there. I am a Registered Nurse.  Here's a distant perspective for you. I had less than 1 cm. (found out true size at time of surgery) invasive ductal carcinoma of L breast in 2000. I wanted it done and over. I had lumpectomy with radiation and never looked back. Of course, I was scared and devastated,like you, but with time, you just walk through it and its gets better with every follow up negative mammogram. Well, here we are 14 years later and the radiaton has reduced the size of the L breast by half. Plastic surgeon called it the "gift that keeps on giving".

    So now, I decide that 14 years later, reconstruction would be good. I decided on fat grafting alone for reconstruction. I go for a pre-op MRI and find that I have some ductal hyperplasia without atypia in my R breast. Well, that is benign but requires 6 month f/u MRI's. Soooo, this begs the question, how often does hyperplasia without atypia become hyperplasia with atypia...DCIS...then invasive ductal carcinoma, especially when there is a history of breast cancer in the patient? Unknown but certainly possible..

    My point in all this blabbering is.....now I am considering prophylactic bilateral mastectomy ( a choice that is widely recommended these days) with reconstruction. Soooo, stop and think how important subsequent reconstruction may become to you. I never thought that radiation after lumpectomy would become so disfiguring. I never planned on any kind of reconstruction. Lumpectomy with radiation has as good a potential cure rate as mastectomy does. But if you care about cosmetics, at least have a thorough discussion with your breast surgeon regarding mastectomy as opposed to lumpectomy. The thinking on surgery recommendation is very evolutional in all surgeries. What is the "hot lick" in 2000 for small tumors (lumpectomy with radiation) may not be in 2014.

    Best of luck to you and all of us.  Love........ Someday, all this will probably be behind you since you are diagnosed so early and you'll just want to be the whole pretty girl you always have been.


  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2014

    You all are so helpful to me.  I know I am thinking on the lines of bilateral mastectomy. It probably is early and small, but you have no idea what this is doing to my nerves.  I know I am probably thinking way too in advance about what to do, but I just don't want to go through this ever again. I have no appetite and actually can feel a little shaking on my insides.  I know I am looking forward to meeting the doctor Monday and having whatever tests they recommend.   I'm getting out this afternoon to do a little shopping for some healthy foods to eat - not that I ever ate unhealthy.  This time around, I am heading to Whole Foods to buy some organic fruits and veggies. I love you all for being there for me and we will be there for each other.  I heard already about staying away from underarm deodorant. I don't want to smell, but I am sure Whole Foods will have an organic deodorant - no aluminum etc.  God Bless and Good luck to all and me!  Happy Easter! :)

  • JanetP1507
    JanetP1507 Member Posts: 46
    edited April 2014

    Hi Mary (and everyone else!)

    I was diagnosed with Stage 2A grade 3 invasive ductal carcinoma on 3/31/14. I had a port placed this past Tuesday and I'm starting chemo this Thursday, April 24th as my docs feel neoadjuvant therapy prior to surgery is the best way to treat my particular cancer. I am waiting for my genetics test results before deciding on a lumpectomy, mastectomy or double mastectomy. I know, it's very scary to hear "You have breast cancer" :(  but luckily, places like this forum exist where we can find other patients and survivors for support, I know I"m grateful! My friends and family have been wonderful but sometimes you just want to talk to someone else who has been there and done that and knows what you are going through and can offer advice and guidance from firsthand experience. I'm pretty nervous about my first chemo, hearing about all the LOVELY possible side effects, I'm hoping I won't be hit too hard. My oncologist loaded me up with prescriptions for all possible side effects so I would have them just in case. Hang in there, Mary!! We can do this!!!

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited April 2014

    Hi Mary and everybody on here! 

    Pretty much what they all said. I will add, it's a hurry up and WAIT. I wanted it out but I was dx in Oct. Biopsies in Niv. And had my BMX in Dec. I thought it was such a long time! But you DO have time to think. That's the hard part,  the waiting. Once you know your plan it will be easier as someone else mentioned. 

    Hugs you will get through this. 

    Oh. And remember don't DR. GOOGLE! or if you can't stop yourself feel free to come back here and get it translated! LOL 

    Much love. 

  • corky60
    corky60 Member Posts: 726
    edited April 2014

    Mary, it is great that you came to these boards with so many wonderful helpful women!  Stay strong for your journey.  Walk, eat right, get a massage.  All these things help.

    My cancer was also only 5 mm.  Because of the size and the low grade no chemo was recommended.  I'm not saying that it will be this way for you but sometimes it happens.  I had a diagnostic mammo in the beginning of last March.  Then between the ultrasound, biopsies, MRI, and genetic testing the actual surgery didn't happen until the end of last April.  It was at least six weeks.  Just wanted to tell you that waiting is not unusual. 

    Hang in there, dear.  We are survivors.

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2014

    Thank you so much for all your helpful responses.  I went to the BS today.  She said it is very tiny 5mm. As she can see, it is stage I. I forgot to ask what grade.  How can I get that information now or do I wait until the surgery. She said the lymph nodes under my arm feel normal, but will know better once she goes in.  Hormone Receptor results are not ready yet, but will let me know if this BC is hormone driven.  She said that if anyone were to get breast cancer, this one would be the one to get.  She made me feel very confident. She didn't feel the need for a mastectomy and suggested the lumpectomy. My daughter thinks I should have insisted on a mastectomy.  The BS didn't make me feel it was necessary at all so I opted for the lumpectomy. Have any of you insisted on a mastectomy if the doctor said it was so not necessary. Surgery next Tuesday!  She sent me for another ultrasound. The technician couldn't find it.  She called in the radiologist to do the ultrasound and she said it is very tiny.  I will need a mammography before surgery because of the position it is in and being very small.  She said the mammogram may be uncomfortable because of the position it is in.  Did anyone have that situation?  When I had the biopsy, do you think they took it out?  I hope this isn't a problem now.  She said not to worry. The thing is so small that, it will be over and done and that will be the end of it. I felt pretty confident and actually went to dinner with my husband and - ATE.  Thank you everyone for letting me know that I will feel better once I had a plan. Hugs to you all!

  • RMlulu
    RMlulu Member Posts: 1,989
    edited April 2014

    Yippee Mary!  Great news...info and a plan taking shape.  Yes, a dinner with hubby!

    Please listen to your BC team and Your heart on what is right for You! And don't second guess yourself.

    Please join us in the Lumpectomy Lounge and ask any questions you may have.

    Ask your BS for a copy of the path report from biopsy...you will have a complete path once surgery is done and oncotype and any other testing you have discussed with your team...yes...a wait for each piece...but soon a complete profile and plan.  Enjoy your week...

    I pressed for bmx, but my BC team and oncol social worker discussed options and I moved forward with lx&snd...my c was near the chest wall and radiation was necessary so I didn't want to deal with reconstruction and rad issues...I'm very happy.

    We will be in your pocket Tuesday!

    (((Hugs)))

    Cindy

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited April 2014

    Hi Mary,

    My daughter came with me to my first meeting with the BS and I was thinking of mastectomy, too.  My mother had had one in 1978 and then had radiation and went on to live for 33 years, so I thought I'd follow her lead.  But my BS explained the statistics and thought the lumpectomy plus radiation would be fine.  We had great faith in the doctor's advice.  I also began to think of it as a good first step.  If anything else were found during surgery (for instance, if I didn't have clear margins), I could always have the mastectomy then OR in the future if anything else comes along.  I would not be able to have the mastectomy first and then decide on lumpectomy.  But if YOU begin to feel that the mastectomy will be what gives you more peace of mind, then that's what you should go for.  I don't believe your BS surgeon would balk if you insisted, no matter what she believes.

  • Ridley
    Ridley Member Posts: 634
    edited April 2014

    Mary -- if you have your pathology report from the biopsy, sometimes grade is described as follows -- well differentiated (grade 1), moderately differentiated (grade 2) and poorly differentiated (grade 3.)

    Re: lumpectomy vs. mastectomy -- only you can decide, and there are some great threads on the forum with all kinds of things to consider (e.g. recovery, reconstruction, radiation, future screening, etc. etc.).  I did a lumpectomy first and it was an easy surgery for me to recovery from.  I ended up with a mastectomy because of a complicated pathology, but don't regret doing a lumpectomy first.

    When you go for surgery, they might need to insert a wire to ensure they take out the right tissue.  When you had your biopsy, they probably put a tiny titanium clip to mark where they took the biopsy sample from.  They may insert a wire to mark that spot and check with a mammogram to ensure that the wire is in the right place.  I had this done and first they froze the area.  It was no more uncomfortable for me than the biopsy.

    I have heard women here report back that no additional cancer was found from their surgery -- so the biopsy removed it all -- that would be great!

    Good luck next week,

    Ridley

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2014

    Thank you so much for all your support. You all are so helpful to people like me who are at the beginning of the dreaded disease.  

    My pathology report from the original biopsy indicates moderately to poorly differentiated. We'll see what brings when they do the lumpectomy. I was concerned that the position of the tumor is towards the back near the muscle.  Although the BS and Radiologist at MSK didnt seem to be too concerned except for the fact that it will be a challenge.  Since they must do a mammo directed not ultrasound directed. Pulling will be uncomfortable, but I've been through that when they sent me back for more pictures after my routine mammo.  I feel so much better having you all in my pocket.  Thank you again. I am very grateful.  Bless you all.  

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2014

    I'm going for my screening today for the lumpectomy. For some reason I am more nervous today than yesterday.  Why is that? I'm also experiencing dry mouth. What is that all about? Did anyone ever experience these ups and downs etc?  Can't wait to get this all over with!

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