What ointments work best?? is Nozema a no-no?

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Notbuyingit
Notbuyingit Member Posts: 1,035

sooo my rads last through April 25 & we have reservations for our annual Florida vaca May 8th - feeling like this was a mistake now - I knew I would have to cover up & use 100+ SPF - but didn't realize

#1 how big of an area I would have radiated 

#2 that my skin might possibly peel or worse & need antibiotic wraps 

#3 might possible have to stay out of the pool

foolish, i know, but i was just focusing on having a nice getaway after most of my treatments were done

i am trying to focus on the positive & doing everything in my power to keep my skin moist & recovering - hense the question - what's work best for you or any other suggestions? and no i am not postponing my vaca ha! 

thanks!!

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  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited April 2014

    After trying four or five different types I settled on Calendula ointment by Boiron. Not cream and not gel. I use it right after treatments in the dressing room.

    I also stopped wearing bras and try to spend as much time naked from the waist up as possible. This helps a lot.

  • snorkeler
    snorkeler Member Posts: 145
    edited April 2014

    Calendula cream was recommended to me by the rad onc nurses, but I think the ointment version would have been better. Towards the end of rads I got a tiny spot of peeling, so I started putting Aquaphor on top of the calendula cream. My skin got quite red, but the peeling didn't get any worse. Good luck!

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 1,107
    edited April 2014

    Another option is Aloe, kept in the fridge and applied after every rad treatment.  I got through with no issues.  I think it's obvious that you will have to be extra careful while enjoying the FL sunshine.  I went to the Dominican Republic the day after I finished rads and was fine.  Take care...

  • Notbuyingit
    Notbuyingit Member Posts: 1,035
    edited April 2014

    muska & Snorkeler is the Calendula available in stores? I am using the Aquaphor at nite 

      I only mentioned Nozema because that is usually what i use to soothe a sunburn but don't know if it contains anything bad for radiation.

    wenweb can you get just straight up Aloe? the fridge idea sounds good 

    am naked waist up whenever I'm home alone :) it feels good. Unfortunately i think my right breast (recovering from reduction surgery) is not so thrilled with my non-support regime :( is there a one -sided bra? 

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited April 2014

    I get Calendula Ointment at Whole Foods stores, it is the same texture as Aquaphor, maybe slightly lighter. 

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 1,107
    edited April 2014

    I've heard calendula is good too. Aloe from a health store. Both actually. Having the aloe cold felt really nice. If you become really burned or sore, the radiology onc should give you some steroid cream. 

  • Lojo
    Lojo Member Posts: 303
    edited April 2014

    Hi,

    Just a cautionary note on time ... I'm 11 days post rads to a no recon MX, and I had a significant reaction that didn't really begin until the day before the last treatment, and got progressively worse for the next week (oozing, red, raw, in an area about the size of my first two fingers put together). I had to have moist gauze (with Vaseline on it) on for about a week, and there were a few days it hurt quite a bit. No way I can get near a pool right now. It is healing, but it's been slower than I'd hoped, and was a bit of a surprise given that my skin held up really well the whole way through. Are there other non swim/sum things you do? You will be fine for those, and hopefully you'll not have much of a reaction. Best!

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited April 2014

    You can also get a great aloe from Walmart, large bottle reasonably priced, just be sure to get the 'clear' one with no added colorings.  I brought this right into the rads changing room for immediately after.  I swear this helped so much!  Good luck and hope you have a great vacation.

  • Notbuyingit
    Notbuyingit Member Posts: 1,035
    edited April 2014

    uh,oh, Lojo! not good! can I ask where it was located? I am post reconstruction with an implant - my worst areas seem to be underneath the "breast" where the skin bunches up & under my armpit probably because of the constant friction with movement there.

    i am prepared to roll with whatever shape i'm in - no swimming - more shopping, i can take it! :) but it is my one chance to swim & we rent a house w/pool so... just hope nothing crazy shows up after I am down in FL

    in the meantime - 4 wks down - aloe in the fridge & stealing a cotton Tshirt from hubby for work - don't suppose the customers would appreciate the "naked from the waist up" on this old bag! ha!!

    Happy Weekend, ladies! 2 days to recooop!

  • Notbuyingit
    Notbuyingit Member Posts: 1,035
    edited April 2014

    not good! Friday nite my armpit started peeling leaving a big pink area!! hurts like crazy - putting on neosporin wether they like it or not - not sure what else I can do - but def having someone take a look before I bast it again

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited April 2014

    O.K. here goes - the Aloe is a good idea and should be put on at the clinic right after rads - definitely NO NOXEMA.  Also no swimming pool especially because you're dealing with broken skin now - you should probably call the hotline at your cancer clinic this weekend to find out if neosporin is o.k. - I had skin that was black and bleeding over a large portion of my breast and underarm and then three weeks after rads it was mostly healed there is a cream they write a prescription for which I call silverdene but can't remember it's proper name - anyway it worked but was very messy - I wore camis under large shirts when I went out and xxl men's cotton undershirts with the sleeves ripped out when at home or naked from the waist up - the silverdene cream is quite staining so wouldn't be wearing "good clothes" - hate to give you all this news while you're planning a Florida vacation but it is what it is and I vote you go shopping (and eating).  Sending a hug, S.

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited April 2014

    I burned VERY bad AFTER rads.  Have the scars to prove it.Smile

    The morning after last rad, I woke up with the entire irradiated area 'open'.  That was early March, 2010 and the last scab came off June 29, 2010.  The deepest burns were under arm where thankfully the nerves are 'dead' so I didn't feel the worst but it still took oxycodon and then vicodan to keep pain under somewhat control for a long time.  I was fortunate that never developed any infection as according to my Dr the drug/cream of choice is Silvadene/Sulfadene but I couldn't use it as I'm allergic to sulfa drugs.  What finally healed me, was Domeboro soaks.  'Bandages' would not stay on as the area was large and flowing continually so I wore white T-shirts and changed every hour.  If I had known what I'd be facing - I'd have done it withojt a seconds hesitation - the benefits by far outweighed the negative time which has passed.  Aug will be 5 yrs post IBC DX and (as far as I know today), I'm still NED.  That's what matters to me.

    Call your facility and ask about what they suggest you use.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited April 2014

    My experience is that I healed extremely quickly once the skin stopped deteriorating ( one week to the day post rads).  I am two weeks out now and have completely healed with new soft skin that is fading quickly to its original tone.  Experiences differ, but most have an easier time than I had, so do not panic.  I had five or six days of discomfort and still consider that not too bad given the benefit I am hoping the treatment will offer me. 

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited April 2014

    Given the risk for infection though, I would definitely stay out of a public pool. Also, the chlorine would be very drying to the skin.  Take great care to avoid infection and take great care of yourself.  Treat yourself like royalty and remember that your body has gone through a lot.

  • Notbuyingit
    Notbuyingit Member Posts: 1,035
    edited April 2014

    this is why i'm concerned that mine has started to peel already - 2 weeks to go.There is no "hot-line" that I can see in the paperwork & we never discussed what to do in this case - I will call the general # for the Rads center & see if i can get some advice

    sure sounds like the SE's  are all over the board...good & bad... i would just go with my gut but my guts telling me to NEVER GET ON THAT TABLE AGAIN!!! seriously how did you all do it? no guarantees there won't be permanent damage - NO guarantee that the cancer still won't come back...if they can't tell you for sure how it's going to effect you - how the hell can they tell if it's really working? statistics?? statistics that could have been affected by any number of other things these women did to improve their lifestyles.

    sorry to be like this, but, as my handle suggests, i am not buying it...

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited April 2014

    My RO recommended Miaderm or California Baby, both of which have calendula. CB can be found at Target. I am 9/33 rads and showing some pink but no pain. Good luck!

  • AKJ
    AKJ Member Posts: 190
    edited April 2014

    I scheduled to start 6 weeks of radiation in May. I also have  tropical vacation planned to Hawaii in July. Doc said to stay out of the sun and out of chlorine pools. Don't care, I'm going anyway even if I have to sit in the shade with my big hat and my pretty pink drink.

  • snorkeler
    snorkeler Member Posts: 145
    edited April 2014

    Sorry to be a bit late replying. I got my calendula cream at a vitamin/supplements store that also sells homeopathic remedies. For the ladies that started peeling badly, the nurses gave them packets of the Domeboro that Kicks mentioned above. Best of luck to you.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited April 2014

    AKJ:  Precisely!  Do whatever it takes to accommodate your health and keep you happy.  There are so many ways to adjust things to make it work.  There is so much more to a vacation than a pool and you can enjoy the sun with a big floppy hat on. Actually, it is only the radiated area that needs to stay out of the sun.  But just having gone through radiation burn, I will never suffer from another sunburn if I can help it :)

    I read a recent study about skin creams and radiation and skin breakdown and just like the thread "A radiation onc checks in" or something like that, nothing is really going to prevent skin breakdown, however, the calendula cream is stated as the best for soothing skin conditions that result.  Women have also stated repeatedly that pure Aloe Vera is also very good.  Sometimes you can buy a large leaf in an Asian market and use the real deal.  That is what I did.

    Just like everyone reacts differently to chemo or any other treatment, everyone is different with radiation also.  I have learnt from this experience that science is far from an exact science, but so far, it is as good as it gets.  And that really goes for everything in life as the more knowledge we gain, things change and differ.  That applies to what we all do as well, from everything like parenting, purchasing cars or our work and careers.  When I think back to the days that we used to keep adoptions a secret even from the adoptee, I cringe.  But it was the best practice at the time. But not buying into the best practice at the time has its consequences too that are also unproven.  That is why I truly believe that deciding to have radiation was the hardest decision of my life.  But no regrets here.

      

  • Notbuyingit
    Notbuyingit Member Posts: 1,035
    edited April 2014

    talked to the doctor on call - course he said the peeling was normal - just shedding old skin for new - i can have someone look at it tomorrow but could go ahead with the radiation...said i could use the Neosporin if it provided some relief tho there was" little to no risk of infection" in all his 30 years...clearly he has not been on this website...

    having a confab with my daughters today....AKJ my husband keeps asking if we should postpone the vaca - NO WAY! thoughts of it have kept me going these long winter months...sun hat, sunscreen, whatever just keep the margaritas coming!

  • OptimisticMom
    OptimisticMom Member Posts: 6
    edited April 2014

    I had 5 weeks of radiation before I started to burn, and then the burning started and got worse and worse over the next 5 days. I had been using Calendula cream after every session. I also took a spray bottle filled with water to  every session and sprayed it on the radiated area to cool it down as immediately as possible. Long story short, I made the mistake of downplaying the slight chafing in my armpit midway through the 5th week.

    On Friday Jan 3, 2014, I had a radiation session that completed 5 out of 6 weeks. Over the following two days, the weekend of Jan 4 & 5, the burning began. My right armpit was so badly burned -- not blistered but sort of a dark reddish grayish purplish color -- that on Sunday the 5th I sent my radiation oncologist a picture of it and expressed my doubt about radiation on that Monday. Her nurse asked me to come in anyway, so that they could advise me on next steps. That day she confirmed that there would be an interruption in the schedule and that we would plan to start again on Monday the 13th. She handed me some Vaseline (PETROLEUM jelly - UGH!) soaked gauze patches and a couple of tube tops. She said to get some Silvadene cream and apply it 2-3 times a day. Then put the vaseline-soaked gauze on at night and the tube top over it. Wash the vaseline off each morning so that it would not prevent the Silvadene from penetrating the skin. All of this was seemingly good advice, but it simply didn't work. The burn got worse on Monday, even worse on Tuesday, and by Wednesday it peaked. And, try to imagine removing gobs of vaseline from a large burn. Rub soap on it? Scrub it with a cloth? Run hot water on it? You choose the method of torture. I quickly abandoned that course and began to chart my own.

    A reasonably thorough (although pain-wracked) search on the internet on Tuesday convinced me that no one had published how they cracked the code on this problem and that, tragically, some people live in agony with it for weeks. What I needed to do first was to figure out how to stop the intermittent, searing pain that I felt in my armpit (does anything hurt worse than a burn?). I finally took a flashlight and lit up my armpit, moving my arm in every direction. I realized that the un-slathered skin on my arm was dry enough that it was sticking to the burned skin and pulling some of it off every time I moved my arm. So I slathered my under arm with Calendula Cream but I also needed a way to keep from automatically lowering my arm. I took a tennis ball and put it inside the tube top, about 5-6 inches below my armpit. I kept it there night and day for two days. I also took a homeopathic remedy called Boiron's Cantharis 30 (vitamin stores carry it) to start the healing from the inside. By Thursday morning I had stopped wincing and hissing with pain (you know, the involuntary intake of breath) and when I saw my naturopath that day, he recommended a light coating of a mixture of Manuca honey and Alba's Un-Petroleum Jelly (a non-petroleum jelly). I bought both at Whole Foods. All in all, I  regained my sanity over the next 3 days and after a total of two weeks off, completed my last week of radiation without further burning.

    I hope this helps someone!!

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited April 2014

    I practically grew up in Florida - you don't use Noxema for anything! LOL

  • Notbuyingit
    Notbuyingit Member Posts: 1,035
    edited April 2014

    wow! sounds like your team was definitely not on top of your lotion regimen, OPTI, dont know what this Calendula is - i had just a Natural Therapy lotion then when i started to burn under my arm & boob they switched me to an emoliant then to the silverdene. I have been applying all - plus the aquaphor & aloe - every chance i get & letting it air dry as often as possible.

    just cant wait til i can lotion up & know i am done radiaiting...3 more...they keep telling me this is the worst it will get but that's not the case from what i read in these discussions

    kudos to all you warriors...people just have no idea what we go through

    homemom i remember when my sister used Crisco right out of the can instead of tanning lotion yikes!

  • fd1
    fd1 Member Posts: 239
    edited April 2014

    Emu oil worked wonders for me!!  I was using another product that the hospital recommended but when my skin started to react (about half way through rads) I came on here and learned about emu oil.  You can get it at any health food store.  I found it in the organic section of Loblaws (large Canadian grocery store). 

  • slv58
    slv58 Member Posts: 1,216
    edited April 2014

    I also used emu oil that I purchased through Amazon. I didn't have any problems with skin breakdown. The very last treatment I had a very small blister that broke open, but that was it. I did go through some itchy days but even the techs asked me what I was using because my skin held up so well. When I told them emu oil, I got yelled at because I was only suppose to use glaxol. Too bad, I took my health in my own hands and decided to try emu. Glad I did. If you do a search you should find a lot of us who used emu-should be on summer 2013 rads thread. Hope you ladies going through rads are doing well, I know this was harder for me than chemo physiologically but I couldn't live with the "what ifs" if I didn't do it!

  • Notbuyingit
    Notbuyingit Member Posts: 1,035
    edited April 2014

    hello, Canada! :) i will check it out! tho i am using about 5 different things already! ha! i will need a new wardrobe between the lotion stains & the cutting shirts this way & that as my needs change.

    yes they try to scare u into only using what they offer - you don't want to interfere with the radiation! but, as always, no one knows your body better than you & they do repeatedly say it's "your body, your decision"

    and Radiation is definitely tough - a combination, i think, of the coldness of the treatment ( metal table,scary looking machine, 15 minute assembly line) the daily decision to go there & the general tiredness of the whole ordeal, and , oh yea, the fact that they're burning the piss out of you (excuse my language)

    2 more for me...solidly hoping I never regret it

  • laurie2025
    laurie2025 Member Posts: 117
    edited April 2014

    I was told no ointment; that ointment holds heat in; to use creams/lotions instead.  I used Calendula Cream that I got on Amazon, along with whatever the Doctor gave me; they were always giving me different lotions/creams.  I think staying hydrated worked pretty well, but you have to stay on top of it, I would put cream or lotion on at least 3 times a day, sometimes 4.  And cool showers, and it was recommended to me to use Dove Body Wash for sensitive skin, which I did.  And if you are going to use Aloe, get 100% Aloe from like a Whole Foods.  Makes a world of difference.  I got a few spots where the skin broke open, I think 2 small areas, but it was almost at the end, and they healed up quickly.

  • FightBC
    FightBC Member Posts: 57
    edited April 2014

    I am planning on working through my radiation treatments. 

    Not sure how am I going to handle side effects as I can't stay without bra or proper clothes. 

    Any suggestions for working women? 

  • Notbuyingit
    Notbuyingit Member Posts: 1,035
    edited April 2014

    fight i worked through mine, actually tomorrow is my last one & i'm thinking of treating myself to a day off :)) I quit wearing a bra after the first week - just cotton tanks or T's under my blouse - i stuck a nipple guard under the shirt over my natural breast to hide the headlite :) 

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited April 2014

    I have completed 23 out of 28 treatments so far and I work full time. I am post reconstruction so I do not need to wear a bra, this is a huge plus because any bra feels uncomfortable. Stains from the ointments is another problem, especially if you have superclavicular and other nodes radiated. Some fabrics wash fine and some don't, so one or two business shirts are ruined. Have no idea what I will wear to work tomorrow...

    I can work from home and starting from second or third week I switched to every-other-day-work-from-home schedule. Main reason - I can keep it open to the air when I am at home. This helps a lot. My nurse even recommended sleeping with breast open - no nightgown, no comforter....

    Most importantly, I recommend scheduling your treatments at the end of the work day so that you be able to go straight home and rest. Some people feel tired right after rad session. I wouldn't say I feel physically tired but I certainly feel psychologically drained and I am glad I can go home after.

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