Is it the Tamoxifen that's making my hair get thinner?

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I am ready to throw in the towel and stop taking it, I've been on it now for 3 years, and 3 months. I was completely bald when I started taking it and my hair is still so very thin. I cry about it just about every time I go take a shower, get out stand there and look in the mirror at how awful it looks. I don't know what to do, I've tried Rogaine, it did absolutely nothing, I tried shampoo with Nioxin, it did absolutely nothing, I've been taking biotin, again nothing, I've taken prenatal vitamins, Flinstone vitamins, nope nothing, I read on the internet to splash listerine on your scalp to kill any fungus you might have, no that didn't help either. It's got to be this damn Tamoxifen just screwing it up. I want to stop taking it just to get my hair back, I've already decided I'll probably get stupid cancer again anyway whether I take it or not, and next time I have no idea what I'll do as far as treatment, I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

Anyone else feel the same way? Is your hair like it once was, mine was so thick before all this crap.

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  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited March 2014

    Hi Sosickofitall,

     Sorry to hear about your situation. I only been on tamox for 4 weeks, I notice thinning of my eyebrows, I called my dr after researching this side effect. They said it is a possible side effect until my hormones balance out. But I was told it wouldn't go bald like chemo. My hair is fine, and all other body hair is fine, just the eyebrows I notice has thinned out, and really it started before tamox, but now I think the body changes is messing with it. I'm just praying it don't get worst. Did you take chemo? maybe it's the side effects from chemo, where you're hair never grew back properly.

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited April 2014

    I was googling around on this today.  I have a theory: chemo is particularly hard on fine hair.  I have always had very fine hair but a lot of it, now I just have less of it, and where I had the fine stuff at the temples the TC just burned it out.  Same with eyebrows and lashes. Those who had course hair to begin with didn't seem to take the same hit.

    I don't think Tamoxifen helps,  and I think my hair has actually thinned some more on it.  I used to have tons of body, now it hangs like a helmet. It's passable with a bob and some product, but I am with you, it is a constant reminder.  Like you, I've tried it all: Biosil, biotin, special shampoos, now Nioxin.  I don't suspect it will do any more than the rest.

    I also get quite upset and depressed--now the recommendation is 10 years for Tamox.  Great. I probably won't have any hair left by then.  I try to go to the gym and take great care of myself otherwise.  You can get away with a lot more looks wise with a healthy mane, the rest of us have to constantly work it.

    Sigh. It is all extremely depressing.  Not a day goes by I don't think about it.  I dream about it, and I wake up every morning feeling my weird hair. It's been almost 4 years since chemo.  It's cold comfort, but I wanted you to know you are not alone.

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited April 2014

    Also, keep in mind that hair thinning/hair loss is an unfortunate part of being menopausal, so if chemotherapy threw you into menopause, this could, also, be a factor.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2014

    I've been on Tamoxifen for over 3 years now and don't notice any thinning of my hair (I did not do chemo).  However, I have wondered if my eyebrows have gotten thinner...also notice other body hair doesn't grow as thick/fast.  

    LIke SelenawWolf said, could also be aging, menopause?  I had a complete hysterectomy last summer but am still on Tamoxifen (my choice).

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited April 2014

    Though I have not had a period in a year (it came back after two years in chemopause, leave it to me to reinvent the wheel! I thought I was dying, it was a flood), my estrogen is still about 100. Who knows what higher estrogen and no period means for hair, though.  Tamoxifen quite simply attacks quickly dividing cells, hair falls in this category.  Many women experience thinning.

    All that said, I should make it clear that even if I have to shave it off and wear a wig, I will stay on this drug, the only one with a track record for keeping ER+ women cancer free.

    Regarding the eyebrows, the Tax destroyed mine.  I am looking for an eyebrow embroidery place in Chicago that is recommended, as I'm really sick of drawing them in every day--any leads welcomed!  Embroidery is much more natural, and less permanent than tattooing.

  • Annette47
    Annette47 Member Posts: 957
    edited April 2014

    I didn't have chemo, but have noticed some mild thinning of my hair on tamoxifen - no bald patches or anything like that, just overall thinning so that my hair looked like it had a lot less volume than it used to.   Kind of reminded me of the kind of thinning lots of women get about 4 months after giving birth.   It started about 4-6 months in, and now at just over a year on Tami seems to have stopped and perhaps even reversed slightly.

  • sbaaronson
    sbaaronson Member Posts: 230
    edited April 2014

    My hair grew back thicker and more beautiful than ever, with almost no grey! The chemo put me in menopause, what part this plays in the definite thinning - unknown. 3+years later of Tamoxifen, I feel like I am on a never ending "cycle of side effects" and hope this hair thing too shall pass... I am going to stay on for the 5 years, white knuckling it. But, I don't think 10 is doable...

  • Ridley
    Ridley Member Posts: 634
    edited April 2014

    I also have thinning on Tamox.  I noticed it at the beginning for a couple of weeks, and then it stopped and I went off tamox for a couple of weeks before surgery.  When I went back on, it started again and then stopped.  Then a couple of months later, it started again and it was a stronger impact.  I get a little handful in the shower, another handful when I brush my hair, and another bunch in my brush in the morning.  I'm afraid to touch my hair the rest of the day:) 

    The most frustrating part is that there is hair everywhere -- I'm constantly picking it off my winter coat and the throw I use for my sofa -- drives me crazy.  I started taking biotin a few weeks ago -- I haven't noticed any impact yet.  I did read a reply from a doctor on a website (so who know who really wrote it), which said he had seen some results with biotin if taken twice a day -- 2,500mcg each time (so 5,000 mcg per day.)  I'm going to see what my hairdresser has to say when I see her in a couple of weeks.

    I've now been on tamox for almost 6 months, and am hoping that my hormones even out and the hair loss stops (Annette -- your post gave me some hope!).  I don't feel like I'll be able to stop taking it because its my only systemic therapy that is fighting against distant recurrence (didn't have chemo because of my oncotype score.)

    Ridley  


  • JeniferMiya
    JeniferMiya Member Posts: 44
    edited April 2014

    You're definitely not alone... I've been  on Tamoxifen for a year now and only have about 40% of my hair back and the hair that came back is very thin and extremely slow growing.  If I go without a hat or wig, I look mangy.  Absolutely frustrating.

    On the plus side, we're all able to smell the flowers rather than looking up at it's roots.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited April 2014

    I asked my hair stylist about this. She said she's seen hair change when her clients go through hormonal changes: teenagers going through puberty, women going through menopause; she's seen women's change changing during pregnancy and then back again after pregnancy. She's seen it all: straight hair go curlier, curly hair get straighter, etc., but it's impossible for her to predict who it will happen to. I was curious and googled "estrogen receptors hair" and sure enough, we have hormone receptors on our hair follicles. (probably why some men lose hair at middle age). In my case, I've always had super thin unmanageable #@!?*& hair, and when I was on tamox that it became slightly less thin. i.e. moved towards the normal range. But maybe my hair was so thin, there was no place to go but up.(I also did not have chemo). FWIW, my 73 old mother (no BC) is noticing thinning, so some of this is age and the natural loss of hormones too. I've heard there are natural solutions (rubbing oils into the scalp) that might help.

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited April 2014

    Another member of the fine hair loss club here.  Prior to chemo I had straight thick fine hair - decent thickness to wear in a pony tail or barrette.  Post chemo - hair never regrew under either arms and have lovely bald legs.  (south pole rather thin too)  Winking  Eyebrows, lashes and head hair is quite thin as others described at about 40% previous volume.  I had hard time on Tamoxifen so had ooph to switch to Femara - so my body has been through hell and almost back.  All the healthy organic eating and supplements, organic shampoo makes no difference - plus recent dx of hypothyroid and now on medication for this dx too.  Frankly I gave up and wear my hair super short and when it looks too gray I add a little color to perk it up.

    Funny story - I under estimated how thin fine hair absorbs hair color (this is the Clariol Natural Instincts wash out kind --- THANK GOODNESS)!!!!   So a few summers ago I did a light auburn shade to attend nephews summer graduation party.  Hair comes out FLAMING RED like Lucille Ball!!  Yes, glow in the dark red!  Driving home late at night with DH in the car (he had a few beers and I don't drink )  I get pulled over for speeding just about 5 miles over the speed limit.  Young officer with flashlight asks for license and compares bald photo to current person hair status and let me go with a warning.  LOL - I think I scared him......   Shocked

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited April 2014

    Boy can I relate to you guys. I think my thinning eyebrows is genetic as much as anything else and menopause of course. Tamoxifen has caused me grief too but not hair loss. I have fine hair but its pretty thick except around the crown area. I have to use the curling iron to give it height. I wear it in a bob now and color it too. We all know its more important that it does its job but it still gets a bit depressing sometimes dealing with the SEs. Diane 

  • mdg
    mdg Member Posts: 3,571
    edited April 2014

    Did any of you with hair issues also have taxotere?  Unfortunately it can cause permanent hair loss and most MO's don't discuss that with patients.  I have been on tamoxifen for almost three years and no thinning of my hair.  I did have taxotere but I used cold caps so I never lost my hair with chemo.  I personally know of many women that never got all of their hair back after taxotere.   I hope it comes back for you.  Hugs!

  • bcincolorado
    bcincolorado Member Posts: 5,758
    edited April 2014

    I have been on the big T now since Jan 2010.  I know hair thinning can be a side effect.  I had very fine hair to begin with so I started to use Pantene thickening shampoo when I started Tamox and it does seem to help.  I can tell I've lost some but not too bad.  Since there are coupons all the time in the paper it isn't as expensive.

  • GrammyR
    GrammyR Member Posts: 702
    edited April 2014

    I lost all hair everywhere during chemo . Long silky red very fine hair.  2006. Still have very few eyelashes and thinner eyebrows. . Used to have to shave legs all the time now rarely. After re-occurance last year and RADs I was put back on Tamoxifen. My hair started to thin even more and became wiry in some places near my ears.  Tried it 3 times before quitting it for mostly other SE. My vanity went out the window way back. I stopped coloring  my hair last year and now getting quite gray (am 66 so no biggy now) It still gets me mad when friends say add that they will NEVER stop coloring theirs. Well they never had cancer either. If I was a young woman I may have decided differently. It is our own choice really.

  • Okie9000
    Okie9000 Member Posts: 13
    edited May 2014

    my mom had chemo for her cancer. Her hair remained thinner than before. Her Onc said it was primarily a result of chemo, not the meds,although the hormones and HRT did have a small effect of thinner hair. He also said the stress her body and gone thru was hell on the hair regrowth. IT would take time. 

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