Bringing in 2014 with Tamoxifen!

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  • annika12
    annika12 Member Posts: 433
    edited March 2014

    Im 5 weeks in and had warm ups all night :( wouldn't call them hot flashes yet but I sure recognize them and didn't miss them one bit from chemo !! Oh well its working.....

  • Emma12
    Emma12 Member Posts: 43
    edited March 2014

    hi all definitely joining this club. I started my tamixofen in mid February. So far it's been okay. At first I had a bit of nausea but that has gone. I do have joint pains though especially when I wake up. Other than that it's the usual hot flushes and moodiness!!!!!

  • woodyhollow
    woodyhollow Member Posts: 116
    edited March 2014

    had a bladder infection for the first time...think its related to tamoxifen. other than that hot flushes at night and occasionally depressed 

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited March 2014

    I had a clear mammogram last week. YAY! Then this morning, sharp pains in the affected breast.  Not at the cancer site.  Uncomfortable and a little scarey.  I'm assuming it's from radiation ... and will continue to believe that.

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited March 2014

    Woodyhollow - my mom had a friend on Tami who developed repeated UTI's after never having had one.  I've never had one either and I'm hoping I don't start now.  Hope yours is a one time deal!

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited March 2014

    OK, can someone please stop the night sweats and hot flashes? Please? Other than that and being unable to change position with my usual mobility (sitting to standing is the worst) I'm ok. 2 months in.

  • woodyhollow
    woodyhollow Member Posts: 116
    edited March 2014

    katiAK - yes now that I've done some research it seems a pretty common thing as a SE, though I'm not clear on the reasons why it causes it. It seems to have disappeared by itself over the weekend, so fingers crossed!!

    Nice that you had a clear mammo! And it's not the cancer site, it's where you once used to have cancer...

  • annika12
    annika12 Member Posts: 433
    edited March 2014

    KatiAK - yeah clear mammo :D

  • RebelGrl87
    RebelGrl87 Member Posts: 1
    edited March 2014

    Hello one and all! Thank you all for posting your experiences. I started on Tamoxifen at the first of this year and haven't noticed any SE until recently. The fatigue has gotten really bad. I have no energy or motivation to do much of anything. I finally called my MO & will be seeing her tomorrow. I began searching for info on fatigue on this board and discovered so many others having similar symptoms that I didn't realize could be SE (muscle cramps, itching skin, brain fog). I even read posts on another thread about feeling the "let down" reflex in my breast (years after breastfeeding completed!). I thought I was imagining it. Anyway, after reading these posts I have written down all of these seemingly unrelated symptoms and will discuss them with my MO tomorrow morning. Thanks for sharing your experiences and encouragements. It has been truly helpful to me.

  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited April 2014

    Hi Ladies , I'm on week 5 on tamoxinfin. I was taking that and just vitamin D, I added B12 and Boitin which I got clearance for it, but after the second day  which was Saturday, im starting to feel more tired, and light headed at times, im not sure if it's cause the other vitamins got to get into my body or what.

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited April 2014

    Went to see my BS today for my "close to one year" post op follow up.  While waiting in the lobby a young lady came out with her husband. After pacing for a bit she burst into tears. I all but cried with her, explaining "been there, done that".  I gave her as much comfort as I could in just the minute or two that I had.  I tried to explain ... it sucks, but we survive.  The new ladies need to know, they need support.  I'm glad to have found that here.

  • TarheelMichelle
    TarheelMichelle Member Posts: 871
    edited April 2014

    KatiAK, bless you for being a beacon to that woman in the waiting room. Whenever I have opportunity to give advice/comfort to someone in the early stages of diagnosis, I feel so ... useful. And that's a good feeling. Especially when l tell Stage 3 ladies I'm Stage IV and not at death's door. 

    RebelGrl87, the brain fog is very real. Some ladies have luck with ADD medicine (speed, basically) and some ladies decide to stop taking Tamox. I didn't take it after my Stage I lumpectomy and even though I had a recurrence I don't regret not taking it. I'm taking it now, as treatment, and it's working great. Still have the brain fog but it's OK if the Tamox keeps my cancer from progressing. 

  • annika12
    annika12 Member Posts: 433
    edited April 2014

    Went to see my obgyn today for my yearly and I was very surprised I didn't get a pap !! She said its being done every 5 years now ! Even with a cancer history and on tamox ??? 

  • Salina888
    Salina888 Member Posts: 96
    edited April 2014


    Annika- My Obgyn said he'd do it every year especially with tamox, maybe see another doc.

  • Kruise
    Kruise Member Posts: 330
    edited April 2014

    hi ladies - well it looks like the rash thing I developed and red looking breast etc was a result of some kind of viral flu type thing. I'm feeling a bit better now but can so relate to the feelings of depression and fatigue and low motivation etc. I keep thinking it's just me but then reading your posts and realising that yep I am taking that tamoxifen drug maybe it is playing a part!?!? I am struggling some days to do much at all except what has to be done and keep eating!! Lol. Food is my pleasure now I guess and my solace!!

    Anyway - I love reading all your stories and thoughts ....like sand through an hour glass - these are the Days of our tamoxifen lives... :-)

  • woodyhollow
    woodyhollow Member Posts: 116
    edited April 2014

    Hi all, well the bladder infection was just a one off, and only lasted 1 day, just drank a lot of extra water to flush out and that was the end of that! dor the rest things are fine..interested to hear what other vitamins/minerals you are taking in combination with tamoxifen. 

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited April 2014

    I take a lot of vitamin D3, a B complex, and a multivitamin.  I was taking vitamin C but then read it may interfere.  I eat ground flax seed daily and take a flax seed oil and a fish oil.  Have recently started taking melatonin for sleeplessness.  I hear conflicting thoughts about that.  I do pretty good eating fruits and vegetables but I'm not so good at avoiding sugar. *sigh.  I read that 7 hours of exercise a week decreases risk by14%  I try!

  • Kruise
    Kruise Member Posts: 330
    edited April 2014

    sounds like you are doing great KatiAK - the diet and exercise is very hard.

    I now take my tamoxifen at nighttime as it is just easier to remember etc. I'm wondering if it's giving me a headache though as every time I take it and lie down I feel a headache coming on quite quickly. I have had a flu thing lately though so could just be related to that and not Tamox - but just seems weird it starts as soon as I lie down and relax. 

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited April 2014

    I wrote this long post yesterday that the computer gremlins made go bye bye. Very frustrating! 

    I only remember one pertinent point and that was asking KatiAK if she has been eating flax all her life. Have you?

    Please let me know - it's important. 

    Thanks,

    Deb

  • AryaS
    AryaS Member Posts: 131
    edited April 2014

    I am having exchange surgery next month and my PS told me to stop tamoxifen now because of possible clotting issues.  I stopped yesterday but now I am panicking without tamoxifen!  Can a few weeks off matter?  Was anyone else told to stop before surgery?

  • Kruise
    Kruise Member Posts: 330
    edited April 2014

    I'm sure a month or so off isn't going to effect much in the long term Ayra. I hear it's quite common to stop for surgery etc. so don't panic - try getting into some yoga or something to help yourself with the stress of worry and leading up to surgery. Even playing some beautiful relaxing music and meditation might help - music by Tony O'Connor springs to mind.

    I am stopping taking it for a break too to see whether some of these s/e's go away. Docs told me to give it a go and see if I feel a lot better. Been on it since 30 December to 16 April - so not a long time but I feel really yuk so going to experiment with it. :-) 

  • sydney2013
    sydney2013 Member Posts: 29
    edited April 2014

    Hello,

    I started tam in February. I spent a few days on the beach in Florida last week and had a bad reaction to the sun. Has anyone had problems with tamoxifen and sun exposure. I am a sunblock lunatic and even with SPF 30 being applied constantly I had patches on my legs of what looked and felt like a sunburn. Needless to say I spent the rest of my beach time covered-up.

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited April 2014

    Redreading - I have not eaten flax all my life. Only recently.  More consistently post dx. Why?

  • Salina888
    Salina888 Member Posts: 96
    edited April 2014

    Arya- I started my tamoxifen Jan 1, and had my exchange on Jan 30.  My surgeon said it was not a problem, and I have not missed a single day.  

  • annika12
    annika12 Member Posts: 433
    edited April 2014

    I feel like an old lady getting up and down :( I'm so stiff and achy , when I get moving I'm fine but if I get on the floor for something I have to think about how I get up. I'm playing soccer, running and biking just fine its the in between :( Other then that I'm good actually great ;)

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited April 2014

    Annika, that's exactly how I feel physically too. All stiff and achy and the transitions are the worst. Sitting to standing. Bed to up. Floor to anything. I have a loss of focus too. Brain fog.

    KatiAK, a lot of the great things being said about flax and Soy come from the China Study. But the huge addendum to that study is that it works for them because they eat it basically since birth. It's in everything they eat. North Americans don't do this and it harms us more than helps. Mostly because of its high estrogen content. My MO said, if you've been eating it forever go ahead. But, if not, no more than 2 teaspoons of flax products per day. That's why I asked. I did some research because I like to know what is going on and it's up there with primrose and Soy. Soooo..... maybe more research. ((hugs)) hope your not insulted because that's not at all how this was meant.

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited April 2014

    Redreading - not at all insulted, always open to other people's knowledge and ideas.  Everything I read says flax helps to fight breast cancer by acting in a similar way as Tamoxefin.  I have read a couple articles saying it's an estrogen supplement so I guess you're right.  More research.  I'm thinking supplements might be out entirely.  Except vitamin D since I live in Alaska, but I don't even know how much of that I'm supposed to take.  I wish there was a magic formula.  I've heard Tumeric is supposed to be beneficial but then I hear it interferes with Tami so ....  and every oncologist seems to say something different.

    Anybody with answers please share.

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited April 2014

    As far as food goes, I've heard great things about asparagus and lemon juice. Not together. But I don't want to take them on a regular basis until I read some articles etc that says they're terrible. I want both sides of the story before I decide to go mucking with my body. The only supplement I am taking is Caltrate. It's calcium with vitamin D, for my old bones. Lol


  • lisa2012
    lisa2012 Member Posts: 652
    edited April 2014

    Annika and Redreading, that is my tamoxifen experience too. Nothing like grunting as you bend down to pick something up off the floor! And that was my Aromasin experience too. Fine for the first 4 weeks, then stiffness starts increasing. However, my MO is sure that it is less funky on the Tamoxifen than it was on the AI. The symptoms are similar but I can't really remember, except that AIS made my hands hurt every day and T doesn't I think what I  notice most now, after 6 mos on T, is that some days are better and some days are worse, more are better. PS On bad days, advil does not seem to help! Anyone found something that does?

  • KellyGreen
    KellyGreen Member Posts: 23
    edited April 2014

    My MOs rule of thumb seems to be as long as there are no studies saying something "causes" BC or is contraindicated, its probably relatively safe in moderation. The research on soy/flax seems to be 50/50. But the studies have not gone on long enough to really say either way. I like the advice that is its something you've always eaten, it might be worth cutting back but no need to stop. And if its something you haven't been eating, there's no need to add to the diet unless youre deficient. I'm a dietitian and regarding vitamin D we test for blood level then usually recommend a therapeutic dose at first to get a person to normal limits - then take them down to a maintenance dose. Living in a place with little sunlight and skin tone may also influence the dose. Vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin so excess is not easily excreted. So it's a good idea to get your level tested before taking a supplement.

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