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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited April 2014

    Barbe, fibre slows the conversion of carb to glucose. There are many other important aspects to getting enough fibre, besides the obvious one.

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited April 2014

    So does this mean we get to eat our chocolate cake and ice cream if we sprinkle fiber on it? 

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited April 2014

    Piper, I actually made high-fibre brownies for myself when I was doing chemo.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2014

    I've made a different kind of brownie......but never a high fibre one! Thanks for the explanation Momine!! I never knew that and just assumed it was for keeping a good constitution (similar word to constipation...no?). I bet a LOT more people would eat it for the right reason if it was pointed out!!!!!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited April 2014

    Barbe, getting enough fibre can help regulate blood sugar, keep cholesterol in check, help eliminate estrogen from the body, prevent colon cancer and a few others that I forget.

    The "invention" of refined carbs as a regular food staple is fairly recent and probably is a contributing factor in many ills that have taken off in the last 50 years.

    So, I do eat carbs, but I get them in the form of veggies (things like zucchini, sweet potato, artichokes etc all have a fair amount of carbs), nuts, beans/lentils and very coarse bread. When I make savory pies, I make the dough from whole wheat flour and olive oil. Pancakes are made with buckwheat (low glycemic index). If I am out and I want a piece of white bread, I have it, but 90% of the time, I stick to the above. It absolutely helps with weight control as well, by the way.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2014

    This is all good info as I've been fighting diabetes for over 7 years and finally had to drink the KoolAid and start on Metformin this month! My diet is pretty good normally and that's why I have to be medicated as it doesn't appear to be diet caused. But, anything to help the cause, thanks again!

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited April 2014

    Barbe:  Lmao. Now you can have those brownies with fibre!

    I too have been a huge believer in everything fibre.  It is also difficult to eat refined foods, etc if you are eating a high fibre diet. 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2014

    Another crap hit for being a woman!!!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2014

    Sorry, what I meant to say was Thanks for posting that great article!!! I appreciate all the information I can get.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited April 2014

    A good explanation of low glycemic index diet and fiber can be found on Dr. Barry Sears' site. His Zone diet adheres to 40/30/30 Protein/carb/fat ratio and explains the significance to weight and metabolic syndrome of always trying to eat this way. My doc & nurse grandparents did very well on it. It also considerably lowered my dad's bad cholesterol.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2014

    I have always tried to keep a healthy balance of fat in my diet, but my BFF won't even touch it! She had a facelift about 8 years ago her skin was SO bad!!! I have relatively healthy skin and a good constitution and my hair is so oily that I get perms to dry it out! But saying that, I am surprised at the ratio noted Melissa; I'm sure I'm not at 30% fat in my diet taking milk and a bit of cheese into consideration even.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited April 2014

    Healthy fat. Almonds, olives, olive oil, fish, etc. The fat along with the carbs prevents the glucose spike. Look at this and you'll see it doesn't look "high fat".

    A typical day:

    Breakfast

    3/4 cups fat-free Greek yogurt

    1 cup sliced fresh strawberries

    3/4 cup fresh blueberries

    9 almonds, chopped

    Lunch

    1/2 apple

    Chicken taco salad made from:

    2.5 ounces ground chicken breast

    1/4 cup prepared salsa

    1 teaspoon olive oil

    1/4 onion, chopped

    1 clove garlic

    1/4 cup black beans

    2.5 cups shredded lettuce

    2 tablespoons 2 percent cheese, grated

    7 black olives

    Dinner

    3.5 ounces salmon baked in foil with:

    1/2 red pepper, sliced

    1/2 onion, sliced

    2 cups broccoli

    1 teaspoon olive oil

    1 medium apple, sliced (side dish)

    2 snacks (example)

    • Sliced bell pepper with 2 tablespoons prepared hummus
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2014

    I'd need a COOK to work all those measurements and half this and half that!!! Why can't they just issue us pills to maintain life??? I eat for fuel, not necessarily enjoyment, though I do enjoy good food, if that makes sense....just had 8 crackers with peanut butter for lunch. Done and dusted! (not my usual lunch)

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited April 2014

    I know Barbe, I'm not that organized and planned out. My point was, you were surprised at the nutrient ratio, and the healthy foods to achieve that would probably surprise most people.

    My problem is just the opposite. I eat for a multitude of reasons other than fueling. Hunger has nothing to do with it.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited April 2014

    Barbe, use my method instead: Steam a piece of fish, serve with a huge pile of veggies ;)

  • Raebae
    Raebae Member Posts: 5
    edited April 2014

    I am a Type 1 Diabetic (diagnosed at the age of 46 - so 5 years).  I am positive that the fact I was pre-diabetic and didn't know it (high blood sugars plus possibly insulin resistance) in combination with peri-menopause (huge amounts of estrogens surges, etc) contributed to both belly fat (which I never had until the last few years) and the breast cancer tumor being able to grow. 

     Most of my life, I have eaten low carb because I just felt good on it.  It was good for me, and now that I'm diabetic, I know why that was so.  However, I was a grade 1 cancer (my score was actually a 3...low proliferation, low everything) so I believe it was my low-carb eating that contributed to this. 

    Also, I am one of the people that chose not to do hormone therapy.  I don't like, and never have, taken many drugs.  My research on hormone therapy showed me that many of the drugs can be carcinogenic.  Cancer cells can actually adapt and become even more aggressive.  Because of the diabetes, having higher blood sugar (working on it) -- I have chosen low-carb; need to lose belly fat; adjust the carbs I do eat to be of more nutritious content; and of course add exercise and maximize my Vitamin D levels. 

    Everyone needs to choose what works best for them, and I pray all of us are successful in what we choose to do with our health.  I hope I don't sound like a know-it-all, that is not my intent.  I just wanted to offer my perspective as a Diabetic.  

  • Raebae
    Raebae Member Posts: 5
    edited April 2014

    Just read the above article and this particular text:

    "Here, we have employed a xenograft model of human breast cancer to assess the possible tumor promoting properties of the end-products of aerobic glycolysis, namely ketones and lactate. For this purpose, we chose MDA-MB-231 human breast cancer cells, which show a marker profile most consistent with triple negative and basal-like breast cancers."

    If I remember correctly, triple-negative and basal-like breast cancers are more aggressive, right?  I don't think this study was tested on ER/PR positive cancers. 

    Can somebody who is more educated on this subject than I, provide their insight?


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