March 2014 Surgery

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  • linda505
    linda505 Member Posts: 847
    edited April 2014

    I think we need a new Breast Cancer awareness symbol - it should be tassels LOL - maybe we should design them 

    Makelemonade - yeah I really feel it when I move my arm to far out or up - I am sure that will stop - mine is still quite swollen around the incision - guess that is normal  - I actually took one of my pain pills today for it - hadn't taken one since two days after the bmx - but it sure helped.  I guess I figure after that surgery that a little port insertion was going to be a breeze - oh well - feeling better than yesterday so on my way.  No appointments tomorrow - first day this week!!  

  • ucfmom
    ucfmom Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2014

    Sandra, have fun in Chicago!  

    I don't have any tassels but I do have some sparkly pink pasties around here somewhere.  Ha, maybe I'll just wear those instead of getting a new nipple.  lol

    I called the surgeon's office and told her nurse I have a UTI and starting taking Cipro last night and she said that's fine.  Not that I want to have this procedure (I think I like that word better than surgery) on Friday, but if it has to be done, I want to get it over with.  If all goes well in the next two weeks, we'll be going on our planned vacation to Key West in early May and hopefully act like life is normal for a week.  

  • wampuscat
    wampuscat Member Posts: 35
    edited April 2014

    Linda, you are hiliarious!

    My port placement went pretty smoothly, other than it took 2 sticks to get the IV going. And when I first got robed up and headed to the restroom, I asked the nurse if they needed a sample or not? They did last month when I had the lumpectomy, so wanted to check first. Oh nothing indicates that they need one, so away I went. Then of course about a half hour later she comes back very apologetically and said I guess they do need a sample to do a pregnancy test before we can proceed. Ugh! So I tried and tried but no success, maybe a raindrops worth. Not enough, so next step was to have the lab draw blood to do the pregnancy test. Yet another poke. Thankfully she got it first try. And yet it did come back negative. I told them I promise I am not pregnant. Can't I just sign some paper saying that? Sorry, we have to have the test. Well pregnant at 50 would not be a good thing that's for sure. So all was good when the results came back negative. I think my husband will go out and buy some cigars tonight to celebrate! 

    Came home and rested most of the afternoon, after my hubby made me a nice brunch. Not much pain, just some achy soreness that seems to be more in the shoulder. So far Aleve has handled it for me. But I have my pain pills from surgeon if needed. Will have to take this one day at a time. It looks a little higher than I expected it to be, but I guess it is what it is. This too shall pass........just thankful that much of the needle poking can come to an end now. 

  • Blueberry4
    Blueberry4 Member Posts: 98
    edited April 2014
    Ucfmom, my nip surgery was due to healing issues so maybe that was why I needed another drain.  It was a surprise though. Hopefully you will breeze through. I like the pasties idea.  Do you think you will have nip reconstruction?

    Wampuscat, I hope your port does not trouble you.  Mine is feeling better, but still bothers me some. I was disappointed to learn I would still have regular blood draws with a stick.  I thought they would use the port for those  but I guess not.
  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2014

    Blueberry - if they are accessing your port they can draw blood from it, but if they are doing routine blood draws at a time when they are not accessing the port they usually use the arm. Every time they access your port there is risk of infection and the process is more invasive than a simple needle stick. It also requires skilled nursing rather than a phlebotomist. Just make sure they draw blood from your non node arm.

  • lynnlyre
    lynnlyre Member Posts: 15
    edited April 2014

    Update

    4/15 I saw Oncologist.  Seems surgeon did not order Onco type test so now I need to wait 2 or 3 more weeks before we decide if I need chemo and/or radiation.

    Today I spoke with my disability insurance company.  They just don't seem to get it.  They wanted a time off work set prior to surgery.  They considered nothing prior to the surgery to be part of the disability.  So my surgeon said off work for 4 weeks.  I saw surgeon one week after surgery and she said return in 3 months.  Oncologist and radiologist who I saw this week won't make decision on further treatment for another 2 or 3 weeks.  4 week mark would have me return to work end of next week.  I'm still taking pain meds most days and if I spend a full day out of the house I am exhausted and can do nothing the next day.  Stupid insurance company want to know what my symptoms are.  I'm guessing they are going to force me back to work no later than next week.  I'm also guessing they are only looking at the surgical recovery as disability. They are not looking at the other weekly doctors treatments as part of the disability.  Currently I'm seeing the surgeon, Oncologist, OB/GYN, and Family doctor.  All four are separate practices.  Radiologist may get added back into the mix for a total of five doctors.  Lets not forget the genetics testing which for some reason they cannot just do the swab and run the test.  NO - they figure group counseling about how to interpret the test is important.  

    Doctors don't seem to understand that I cannot just take off days here and there for treatment at their convenience, Insurance company does not seem to understand multiple doctors, and I'm beginning to wonder if I would have been better off ignoring the lump and just working.  I'm pretty sure if I just worked until the cancer killed me the life insurance would accept the single death certificate and pay out and I would not need to worry about my family becoming homeless.  

  • linda505
    linda505 Member Posts: 847
    edited April 2014

    Hi Lynnlyre,

    I am sorry that you are having so many issues with your docs and insurance company - I know that feeling - you have enough on your plate right now and then you have to deal with all the red tape.  First thing I would do is call your surgeon and let them know that you are NOT recovered and that you are still taking pain meds and still exhausted.  My BS told me that each person is different in how they heal and when they can return to work - some 4 weeks and some longer.  Since she is basically done and will not see you for three months you need to get her/him to alter the return to work order. 

  • FrannyM424
    FrannyM424 Member Posts: 55
    edited April 2014

    Hi Ladies!  Want to thank everyone for their responses re: hormonal therapy.  Worked up my courage and started on Tamoxifen last Friday.  I've been taking at bedtime.  No side effects so far after 7 doses.  I know this could change at any time but for now I'm very relieved.  I'm going to ask my PS and MO, but can anyone tell me if I'll need to hold Tamoxifen prior to my exchange surgery in Oct/Nov?  I thought that I had read that this is necessary?  Went back to work yesterday for the 1st day after being off 6 weeks.  I'm a PT in an acute care setting and spent yesterday in the ortho gym working with patients after total hip and knee replacements.  Worked 7 hours with 45 min commute each way.  Thought I had a really good day but was so exhausted and sore by the time I got home.  Not my "chest" thank goodness but my back, neck, R shld and upper arm.  Really was not expecting that.  Got frustrated and tearful.  Needed ES Tylenol, heating pad and back rub from hubby.  Had today off and will try again tomorrow.  It has to get better right?  So thankful that I only work part-time.  No way I could do it full-time.

  • Juliecc
    Juliecc Member Posts: 4,868
    edited April 2014

    Lynnelyre, I'm sorry you're having a tough time.  Please speak to your surgeon about extending your medical leave.  I wanted to go back after 4 weeks and my surgeon offered 6 if I needed it.  I did return after 4 but it was to a desk job.  It was exhausting and still is.  If you're still taking narcotics, you definitely aren't ready.  I take my 800mg ibuprofens for my spondylolisthesis/sciatica, and that really helps with any pains I have from the surgery.  Also, each week that goes by, I am feeling much better.  There was a big difference between weeks 3, 4, and 5.  It is really hard to work with so many doctor appointments.  I try to make them as early or late as possible so it doesn't get in the way as much.  It helps to have an understanding boss.  Take care of yourself and I hope you get an extension.

    Franny, I'm happy you are doing well on the Tamoxifen.  I started on 4/4 and feel ok except for my fatigue.  When do the hot flashes start?  Sometimes I get HOT but it is warm here in California.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2014

    Do not assume with hormonal therapy that you will have any, or all, of the side effects.  Not everyone has hot flashes on either Tamoxifen or one of the AI drugs.  Discontinuing Tamoxifen prior to exchange surgery is the call of the plastic surgeon - and it is because of the potential clot risk.  If your doc does not ask you to stop, point out that it is a drug you are taking, and ask whether or not they want you to stop.  If your plastic surgeon has no opinion ask your MO for permission to stop briefly.

  • Frostecat
    Frostecat Member Posts: 447
    edited April 2014

    So if you had to do it all over again what do you feel is a good time off from work?  I'm thinking about trying to go back next week but dang I'm tired!  Do we push ourselves too much? I'm getting better every day but I don't know if I can handle 5/40.  I love my job but just afraid of going back to soon and not  being effective.  I'm in sales and need to be "upbeat" which is kind of tough to do if not feeling well.

  • vlnmama
    vlnmama Member Posts: 98
    edited April 2014

    Frostecat,

    I took 3 weeks off of my work, which is homeschooling my 9 year old fourth grader (and little musical prodigy), and teaching very part time music lessons on the side (plus of course the usual mommy stuff with both my kids - my oldest isn't 10 yet, and goes to public school, fourth grade also).

    I needed those 3 weeks. I had planned on taking only 2 weeks off, but there was no way I had the energy (and physical ability as far as range of motion and strength goes) to homeschool full time again and teach music lessons. I wasn't even able to play my violin until 17 days after surgery, so teaching was out. Each week really does make a big difference. 

    I am now exactly one month out (my single mastectomy, no reconstruction) was on March 17, and while I don't feel 100% back to normal yet, I'm pretty close. My range of motion is a good 70% back to normal, per my PT as of Monday, and my energy is getting closer to normal too. I'm still more tired than usually in the evenings. It's now 9 pm, both kids are in bed, and normally I would have practiced my violin for at least another half hour, possibly an hour. I just don't have it in me anymore now. I've been going non- stop since 7:30 am this morning, and I'm beat. I practiced my violin on my own for half an hour this morning, and this afternoon my son and I rehearsed some chamber music together for a good hour. We didn't do any formal bookwork for school today, since he's done so much the previous 3 days, but we did a lot of other things, such as baking and cooking together, getting some work done around the house, and of course the music. We spoke some Flemish together (my native language), and read. I also taught a couple of violin lessons and one viola lesson this afternoon and evening, and then of course had to scramble to get dinner on the table for my family right after that. And now, I'm beat! LOL. And that's when I feel that I'm not quite yet back to normal. Normally I could get just a little more practice in. But it's ok. I'll get there. I'm going to go downstairs, and if my husband is watching something interesting on tv, I'll watch too, otherwise I'll just read.

    I didn't have to deal with getting off pain meds, since I was never able to take any, due to my Crohn's; not even regular Tylenol. It was a rough first few days, but not too bad after that. Now I have so little pain or even discomfort left that I often forget all about it, and then reach somewhere too far and/or too fast and feel it. But the PT is helping a huge amount with getting my range of motion and strength back. It takes time to do those exercises twice a day and go to the sessions early in the morning 3 times a week, but so worth it!!

    I also started easing into doing ballet again with the DVD that I was doing pre-surgery. Only doing 3 of the 7 sessions I was doing before so far, and not forcing anything. It feels good to get back into it!

  • Sailon
    Sailon Member Posts: 55
    edited April 2014

    Frostecat -- I think it varies woman to woman.  I thought I would take off 2 weeks and knew instantly it had to be 4 weeks once I returned home from 2 days at the hospital after the double mastectomy with immediate reconstruction. I had my sister and then mother with me constantly for the entire 4 weeks.  I work in financial services in San Francisco, commuting in and out and sitting at an office in a high-rise most of the time.  I went into the surgery healthy and fit, and so far, knock on wood have had no complications.  I have been back to work officially for 3 weeks.  The first two weeks I worked remotely taking meetings via conference calls etc… this week I went in for 2 days and will continue with this.  I am lucky that I have a company that will allow me to work at home for 2-3 days a week for the rest of the year if I need it.  It is me that I need to reality check.  I keep telling everyone that I will be bringing my C and B game to work.  That the A game is reserved for ME  this year.  I need to make sure I do that.  People at work and my family are trying to make sure I stay true to this commitment. Bottom line is if you have a set back you cannot work as well if at all, so take the time to heal, go slow, return slowly, when you are ready, leverage your surgeon to tell work and or insurance you require the time off. 

    In sales it would be tougher I think because you need to be so ON.  My natural tendency is to be on - always arriving with the overachieving A game -- but all bets are off this year.  And thankfully I have a team of people at work that understand and support that.  So if I had to do it again, I would definitely plan on 4 weeks (the surgeon's recommendation) and possibly take one more week -- before starting back -- I was foggy and moving crazy slow that first week -- even around the house on the computer and on the phone -- but it got my mind engaged and rocking and rolling.  Having one's mind on something other than BC is a good thing and work is therapeutic for me in that way.  Yoga, walking, and cross trainer have been helpful too -- gentle body movement has been so helpful for me in returning to mental and physical health. 

    I realized too -- that as I feel better I will try to do more -- Sandra has warned us all about this.  Don't do it.  I was pulling my small rolling computer case today about a block… at the end of the day, back to my parked car.  I stopped 3 times to rest -- and swore I would not do this again. My body was screaming at me.  So I stopped and finished the trek bit by bit.  Basically I cannot carry anything nor pull anything.  Just can't do it.  Now I know for sure.  

    Lynn-- the insurance company nightmare is the worst. Get your doctors to support you -- just work it with them and their offices- they have to be familiar with the challenges you are being met with.  Stay positive sister. Get as much sleep as you can too. Hopefully your work will let you do reduced hours to begin with so you can slowly return.  Hang in there, and try to get one step closer to your goal of sorting it out each day.  tiny steps will eventually get you to where you need to be.  

  • Kitty62
    Kitty62 Member Posts: 102
    edited April 2014

    Frostcat, you were one day after me. I had DMX with 100cc fill and the scarless dorsi flap and 10 drains. Still having pain and still taking 2-3 Percocets a day. Stopped by my unit yesterday. After less than 5 minutes of chatting and hugging a few people I had to sit down. I could not believe how quickly I became weak and ready to pass out. Once I sat down I was better,but Im not even close to getting back to part time. My doc told me 6 to 8 weeks off so I have a ways to go before I even think about going back yet. I am lucky in that I do not have to rush back. If you can don't rush back. Take good care of YOU! :)

  • lynnlyre
    lynnlyre Member Posts: 15
    edited April 2014

    So today's issue is excess fluid.  I took a shower today and noticed when drying off that I had a wave type action across the top of my surgical scar on the breast.  It could have been there a few days because honestly I don't like looking at the scar.  Today is Good Friday so the doctors office says call on Monday morning.  In my mind draining of the fluid with a needle or worse yet having to go back to a drain make me panic.  I have a huge needle phobia.  I barely made it through surgery.  Now I get to drive myself crazy until the end of the weekend.  

    Anyone found anything that they did that seem to help get the fluid to drain normally? 

  • linda505
    linda505 Member Posts: 847
    edited April 2014

    Hi Lynnelyre - I had a little fluid build up on one - after drains were removed- and it actually got absorbed in a few days - the PS had me watch it for a couple days in case it didn't - I just layed low during that time - tried not to use my arms much.  However - he did drain some from the breast that had a healing issue - don't know what you had done and it you have TE's or not - but it didn't hurt at all when he drained some and it didn't take him long either

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited April 2014

    Lynnlyre

     the fluid build up like that is fairly common. I had that after my BMX. Just so weird to touch below the scar & see a *wave* above near the arm pit. When I went for my regular post op the surgeon said it was fine. It lessened within a week or so. Just keep an eye on it. Some seromas can really build up & need to be drained.

  • Frostecat
    Frostecat Member Posts: 447
    edited April 2014

    I too have developed a seroma.  Just when I finally got that dang drain out Monday, finally feeling good after the fill too now this - it hurts!  Back on the Percocet and put a compression bra on to see if that helps.  One step forward two steps back.  PS mine is under my armpit.

  • stfne
    stfne Member Posts: 70
    edited April 2014

    For some reason I am wimping out about going back to work. i am asking for a full 8 weeks. I have 5 months of paid time off that I have been saving for when I got cancer. (Strange. I know). I am afraid that I won't have enough energy to take care of my three kids AND work. My husband was great when I had just had surgery but he works 3rd shift and seems to be done helping out. I think i am just gonna take some time to enjoy myself.( and catch up on house work)

  • FrannyM424
    FrannyM424 Member Posts: 55
    edited April 2014

    You are NOT a wimp! Take as much time off as you need, if you can! I was only approved for 12 weeks off. Used 3 for lumpectomy & re-excision lumpectomy. Went back to work for 2 weeks. Then took 6 weeks off for mastectomy. Would have loved 2 more weeks off since my job is so physical. But I only have 3 more weeks of leave left out of the original 12 & that won't even be enough for my next surgery in Oct/Nov for exchange surgery on R and lift/reduction on L. If you've got the time, take it!!! And don't feel guilty!

  • KLJ
    KLJ Member Posts: 284
    edited April 2014

    I'm wondering how long it takes everyone to feel "good" again after have your TE's filled. I really don't think of myself as a wimp but these fills are really bothering me. Talked to the PS about it and he said he has women complain a little about them but they don't keep them from doing the things they need to do. I just had my third fill on Weds. and let him go ahead with the planned 120 cc's but here it is Friday and I am still hurting. I am either going to skip next weeks or only do 60 cc's. Do you think it is the muscle stretching or nerve endings trying to come back to life? I just don't know what to think. Honestly kind of wish I had not gone the route of reconstruction but everyone keeps telling me it is worth it in the end. I know it will be but being down for so many days a week is depressing :(

  • ucfmom
    ucfmom Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2014

    I went back to work part time this week two days short of four weeks after BMX/immediate reconstruction with implants.  I normally work 7:00 - 3:00 (or a little later as needed) but worked 7:30 - noon four days this week.  We were closed today for Good Friday.  I have a desk job but often have to crawl around under desks hooking up phones and other equipment.  I'm not able to do that part of my job right now, I'm just telling others how to do it for themselves as the need arises.  I was exhausted by the time I got home and yesterday was the worst.  I started having pain in my rib cage about 11:00 and just barely made it till noon.  I was hoping to work full days next week but will need to leave an hour early on two days for follow up appointments.  I actually did some work from home starting just a few days after surgery because I have a big part in doing payroll and felt more comfortable doing it myself.

    I don't have short term disability.  I do have 4 weeks extended leave built up, but company policy says we have to use our sick and vacation time up first, so I've used up everything except for about a week's worth of paid time and have not touched the extended leave time.  We're not giving up our already booked vacations this year, so most of those will likely be unpaid time off.  

    Surgery really does take a toll on our bodies and we need to listen to them and not overdo it.  I should have taken my own advice and left the office at 11:00 yesterday morning when I started hurting.  lol

    I'm happy to say my surgery went well this morning and I woke up with no drain, thank goodness.  I too was worried about fluid buildup.  The left drain was taken out at 2 weeks and I've had a little (not a lot) of fluid on that side under my boob, just above the incision line.  I wasn't worried about that one, but the right drain was removed at 3 weeks (last Thursday) and I noticed when I leaned over, my right nipple drooped out because of the fluid on that side.  I mentioned it to my breast surgeon this morning and she said she'd get some of it out in the operating room.  After surgery, she told my DH there really wasn't all that much fluid there.  Sure looked like it to me, so I was glad to hear that.

    I'm amazed at how quickly I was out of surgery this morning.  I had to be there at 9:15 for the 11:30 procedure and I definitely spent more time waiting around to go in.  I think it was around 9:50 when they took me back to pre-op.  The nurse I had was awesome - she numbed my hand before she put the IV in and she got it in quickly on the first try.  That never happens for me!  I had IV anesthesia with no nausea afterwards.  They took me into the OR at 11:00 and by then I was feeling so good, I showed everyone my boobs so they could see what a good job my PS did last month.  lol  I woke up feeling great in recovery at 11:30 and was out the door shortly after noon.  We stopped for lunch on the was home, dropped off my prescription for pain meds then came home and I promptly fell asleep for 3 hours.  I woke up with a headache and took Tylenol but haven't had to take any pain meds - knock on wood!

    I'm really not sure if I will get nipple reconstruction done on that side or not.  I'll take my time and think about it because right now I'm just inclined to say no, mainly because I don't want to face any more surgery if I don't have to.  I'm leaning towards a 3D tattoo instead.  My BS and I were taking about it this morning and what a shame it is I had to have one removed because they looked so good.  She said oh well, he (my PS) can make you a new one.  I told her I was strongly thinking tattoo instead and she said instead of a nipple tattoo I should get something fun like a daisy.  Maybe I will.

     Smile

  • stfne
    stfne Member Posts: 70
    edited April 2014

    Thanks Franny, I needed to hear that. 

    UCFmom, I'm so glad to hear that surgery went so well today.  Isn't it so much easier to recover after a shorter surgery? 

    KLJ, 120 would incapacitate me! I did 90 at one fill and it was just too much. I get 65 and have to take a 1/2 a musclee relaxer to sleep. As far as feeling good goes, I don't think I have felt "good" yet. Still waiting for that.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2014

    klj - your fills are too big.  Seriously - it is not good to stretch the muscle and skin that fast, and not necessary to cause pain and trauma for you.  I did 25ccs weekly and had no issues.

  • mnmbeck
    mnmbeck Member Posts: 313
    edited April 2014

    KLJ...it's true that it does seem most women feel pretty decent after a few weeks, and that the TE's don't seem to impact their lives so much.  I was not one of those people.  I was miserable the entire 5 months.  The fills DID get easier, but I NEVER had more than 40cc.  I was never comfortable, and can't say there was any time that I didn't have some sort of pain, even though it was pretty mild at the end...mostly just lack of mobility and discomfort.  I am not telling you this to scare you, but to make you feel normal!  I thought I was crazy until some of the wonderful women on this site assured me that this, too, is a variation of normal!

    Hang in there!!!

  • chknfeet
    chknfeet Member Posts: 29
    edited April 2014

    I still have one stubborn drain left which is teetering between 29 and 32 the past week. My PS is very strict and will not remove unless it's below 30 for 2 straight days so it's looking like next week. My Oncotype also came back at 34 so chemo it is. My MO wants to start ASAP and possibly the same week as my drain removal which seems too soon for me.  I'm concerned about the drain hole healing and infection.  Am i being paranoid?  

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2014

    chkn - no you are not being paranoid - once you start chemo your WBC will be impacted and your healing may be inhibited.  I just saw this happen to a friend and she had to halt her neo chemo (she had SNB and port placement surgery) because her incisions became infected even though her WBC was maintained with Neulasta.  Your BS/PS should be the ones who indicate when you are sufficiently healed.

  • chknfeet
    chknfeet Member Posts: 29
    edited April 2014

    Thanks SpecialK. I'll ask my PS and MO next week when I see them.

  • KLJ
    KLJ Member Posts: 284
    edited April 2014

    mnmbeck and SpecialK, thank you! I am definitely not having such big fills from here on out. Will be talking with the PS on Weds about this. Hopefully cutting the fills in half will help with the discomfort. I have things to do like have a baby shower for my youngest daughter and I need to be able to help her out when this new baby gets here! Much more important than rushing these fills!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2014

    klj - you are in charge!  Definitely indicate that you were too uncomfortable with the previous fill and would like to limit the size so that you can do the things you need to!

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