Are you 55 or younger on Tamoxifen, & having NEW joint pain?

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  • Txgal748
    Txgal748 Member Posts: 21
    edited December 2012

    I started Tamoxifen in Sept. I get pains on the back of my knees and on my knees. I have a cold this weekend so I'm guessing this is the reason my left knee is really hurting. I have also had some pain in my elbows and ankles. The pain is usually not bad. I have not been exercising because I was afraid I would damage a tendon, ligament, or my acl. I forg

  • Cabango
    Cabango Member Posts: 2
    edited December 2012

    I'm 54, have been taking tamoxifen since 2008. I have horrifying muscle spasms and bone and joint pain from it. But I'm scared to go off it.

  • Pegs
    Pegs Member Posts: 198
    edited December 2012

    H Reid,

    I feel exactly the same way, my whole body hurts. i am curious too if the symptoms go away if tamox was stopped.

  • sbaaronson
    sbaaronson Member Posts: 230
    edited December 2012

    I am 48 - Just turned on December 2nd. Approaching my 2nd year on Tamoxifen. I recently had a "bout" of joint pain that was mind boggling. It lasted about a month and I was regularly taking Vicodin at night to deal with it.



    I find that the SE's of this drug come and go. This last joint pain was the first of that particular SE. In the past I have had nausea, bloating, hot flashes and headaches. With the exception of the hot flashes, they (the SE's) seem to be transitory. I will say, you can not stop the diligence about what you eat or the pounds appear quickly. I also think, if you stay really well hydrated it helps alot.



    I don't think I could do this drug for 10 years so I am just pushing to the 5 year mark.



    To think I would hardly take an aspirin in my past life...

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited December 2012

    I am 48 - joint pain in knees but don't know if it is the Tamox or just getting older that is the culprit.  But the SE come and go - hot flashes for one month, then gone  but now back with a vengence!  Strike about 10 times per day.  Leg cramps for one month, then gone.  But the weight gain!!! I went for my annual chat my my primary care doc - I am overweight bordering on obese according to my BMI.  Made me want to eat a bar of chocolate when I hear the news.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2013

    I agree, the se's come and go - last couple of months I have been noticing a lot of low back, neck / shoulder, wrist pain and my knees.  Seemingly all at once!  Taking lots of motrin or aleve, and trying to stretch and move.  I mentioned it to my med onc nurse, and I have my 6 mo follow up with them in 2 weeks.  I am taking a tamox holiday until then to see if it helps.  Neck hurt so bad earlier in the week, I was having a daily headache from it.  Weight gain - I am noticing an increase as well, despite healthy eating habits and movements, exercise.  Frustrating.

  • MarieK
    MarieK Member Posts: 911
    edited May 2013

    I 50 and I too have joint pain.   I've been on Tamoxifen since 2010.  At first I had terrible headaches but I wasn't sure if that was coming off chemo or the Tamoxifen or the Zometa.

    Once the headaches stopped I felt pretty good so when asked I always replied that I had no side effects from Tamoxifen.

    Then I started having neck, shoulder and jaw pain (same side as cancer so that freaked me out) so the ONC took me off Zometa (bone building drug).  I also started seeing a massage therapist and got rid of my heavy shoulder bag and it got a lot better.

    Now I have elbow (right), knee (right) and hip aches (first right now left).  Not really pain but more like a funny cold/burning ache.

    Sometimes I wake up with it and sometimes I feel it later in the day when I'm tired.  It never wakes me up in the night but if I think about it it's there.

    I have been using ADVIL a lot and that seems to help but now I'm off that because I'm having some fat grafting surgery and the PS wants me off it.  ONC once told me that if the ache goes away with ADVIL it's not cancer.  Not sure if I believe him but it does give hope...

    I've had a number of scans since the fall (for bad blood work) and there is something on my right hip but drs think it's a benign ostemoma.  I see my ONC on Thursday for a follow up from the latest PET scan.

    So we shall see what he has to say....

    Marie

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2013

    After being off tamox for 2 weeks, I do not have a daily headache, and my low back/hip, shoulder/neck/jaw, wrist and knee pain has all but stopped.  I follow up with my onc next week and will wait to see what she says.  It's funny, because there weren't really any se's in the beginning.  Aleve or Motrin did help, so I'm not really super concerned that the cancer is back (though it is always lurking in the back of the brain anyway), but . . . 

    Insomnia is still there, but as long as I continue to get my script filled for ambien, I don't care.

  • ali68
    ali68 Member Posts: 1,383
    edited May 2013

    I'm so fed up with the terrible SE that i'm taking a break from it. I have horrible joint pain and my back has gone again. My back just goes and i can't do anything for a week.

    Also have weight gain and i eat very little. Very bloated all over and my tummy is very painful and swollen. Also the lining of my womb is thick and waiting to see specialist.

    Hot flushes that make me sweat like a pig. My eye sight is blurred from chemo and got worse.

    Mood swings were bad and couldn't go out.

    So i'm going to stop for a month and see how i feel.

  • catlyn1031
    catlyn1031 Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2013

    I started Tamoxifen about 3 1/2 months ago, and within the past few weeks have experienced more and more joint pain, especially in my knees and ankles.  It's worse when I move after sitting for a while (which I do for my job) and in the morning when I get up.  Once I move around a bit it improves, but I still feel stiff.

    I've had a bone scan, which came back clear, and my oncologist has said this is a common side effect of the Tamoxifen.  She suggested glucosamine/condroitin, and also mentioned acupuncture and water therapy.  I'm seeing a P-T, also for residual edema from radiation, and she's given me some exercises.  I also work out at least 2x a week, and try to walk at least 4x a week.  But the joint pain isn't making that easy!

    I have a couple of contacts to try for acupuncture, but am wondering if anyone has any experience with this?  I've heard it can also help with hot flashes, which I'm getting in spades as chemo and now the tamox. has knocked me into menopause.

    It's somehow comforting to know that I'm not alone in these experiences.  Would love any shared wisdom.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    I had to stop tamox at the end of April due to issues posted above, and then realized that my increasing blurry vision was all of a sudden better.  I had put it down to turning 50 this year, but come to find out, tamoxifen can cause reversible and some times, irreversible eye issues.  My oncologist, after I reported to her this last se, called me on a Saturday morning to ask how my vision was, and to urge me to get my eyes examed right away.  I was very nervous, I mean, your vision is like, everything, and especially for a graphic designer / marketing person!  I saw my eye doctor, who did an extremely thorough exam and said whatever damage was being caused was reversing because I had stopped it.  Needless to say, I am never going back on it at all.  I follow up with my onc next month and we will discuss this, as I am sure she wants me to go on something else (I am done).

  • MarieK
    MarieK Member Posts: 911
    edited June 2013

    So glad I stayed on the Tamoxifen.  That "something" on my right femur turned out to be BC mets.

    The ONC thinks it might have been there from the get go and that the chemo and Taxoxifen have kept it "inactive".

    I see the Rad ONC on Wed to discuss Radiation to zap it.

    ONC says no chemo just radiation and stay on the Tamoxifen. 

  • AthenaMinerva
    AthenaMinerva Member Posts: 2
    edited September 2013

    Hello Ladies. I posted a year ago about this. The pain in my feet is now so bad I have difficult walking barefoot. Any body else with similar symptoms? It feels like very bad bruising on the joints at the ball of my foot.

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited September 2013

    When my feet get that bad I take an extra Aleve tablet with food.That is on top of my reg daily Meloxicam .Thank god they are not always that bad.A week on the beach or wearing flip flops usually makes them worse.

  • akler53
    akler53 Member Posts: 22
    edited January 2014

    I am really glad I found this discussion! I recently turned 55 and I started Apo-Tamoxifen when I was 53 ( about 15 months on it) I initially had a lot of anxiety and adrenalin rushes with the hot sweaty flashes. The nights are the worst. I still have a lot of flashed but the Anxiety is better. Sadly, I have noticed a gradual increase in joint pain, particularly hips knees and feet for me. I echo what so many here have said. I  feel like much older than I did when this all started. I was fairly active BC. I enjoyed running and even ran a half marathon the month before I was diagnosed. I can barely walk these days let alone run. I too feel like my joints are swollen, especially my knees. I just got my prescription refilled and was told that It is now Teva-Tamoxifen. I am hoping that the change  might alleviate some of my symptoms? The plan is for me to switch to Famera in about a year. I am afraid that things will just get worse on that drug :(  My cancer was 100% + for Estrogen and 75%+ for Progesterone, plus, I opted not to take Chemo ,so stopping the drugs is not an option for me. My MO also dismissed the Tamoxifen as the cause of my pain and stiffness but I personally think the drug does lead to these symptoms due of it estrogen blocking role. After reading your posts, I feel somehow less discouraged :) I am not alone with this and  I am too young to feel this darned old! I plan to keep working on the exercise especially some gentle Yoga practice, as sounds like it is helping many of you.   Cheers!


  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited January 2014

    Regular exercise definitely  helps the hip joints but in this weather it is hard to drag yourself to the on my way to gymon my way to gym

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited January 2014

    When I am home I drag myself to the health club to exercise.When we travel I swim. it  keeps my joints more mobile.When I get lazy I suffer even more.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited January 2014

    mumito - I agree 100% re: exercise.

  • rgiuff
    rgiuff Member Posts: 1,094
    edited January 2014

    I was 47 at diagnosis and was perimenopausal with hot flashes and sexual difficulties already starting. I developed persistent knee and neck pains while on tamoxifen, and hand and hip pains  that came and went, as well as stiffness if I stayed in one position too long.  I also noticed that on long drives, I would get an annoying ache in my right buttock.

    I took a couple of short breaks from tamoxifen during the 3 years I was on it. Neck ache  improved with 1st break, stiffness surprisingly got even worse for a short while with 2nd break.  When I quit for good in Feb 2011, not much difference in aches.  I hadn't had a period in almost 2 yrs at that point. I waited a few months, then started aromasin, which gave me foot pain that made walking difficult, and overall dryness,  so I quit that after 2 months. Was afraid it would speed up the overall aging process!   I'm 53 now.  It's been a year and a half since I've been on any medication and I still get bouts of arthritic type pains in feet that come and go, but no longer any hand or hip pain.  Find that I have to be more careful at the gym, can pull something much more easily than a few years ago and then the pain from that seems to stay for weeks. When I do 3-4 mile hikes with my walking group, or spend the entire work day on my feet, I always start to feel some type of foot pain by the end.  I have kept my lower back limber with yoga, and weight maintained with lots of stair climbing. And since I recently started using more hand weights and stopped using the treadmill, right now nothing aches!

     Much of what I was previously feeling could possibly be attributed to the aging process. And having gone through menopause while on tamoxifen, it's  hard to say which was the culprit. Things that definitely have improved for sure though are: no more right buttock ache on long drives, no more neck ache, less knee pain going down the stairs, less hot flashes, and better immunity.  Had some horrible colds and kept getting eye irritations (burning and chalazion bumps) while on tamoxifen. 

    I also agree with turmeric being helpful for reducing aches and pains. My Onc had suggested it to me.

  • shoppygirl
    shoppygirl Member Posts: 694
    edited January 2014

    I have had stiffness in my hip and legs and also in my ankles since starting to Tamoxafin.  Kind of freaks me out as my mind always goes to that dark place. I am glad to read this thread to see I am not the only one!!

  • Rose_d
    Rose_d Member Posts: 144
    edited January 2014

    Hello all,

    I have been on tamoxifen for almost 18 months. I definitely have hip pain - it started over the summer in my right hip. After about a month I did have an MRI which showed nothing (thank God).  Then that hip slowly got better and it moved to my other hip! I am back exercising now and find that it is making all of the difference in the world.  I find if I am not exercising I get very stiff and sore.  I am 41 years old and sure it is from the tamoxifen (as is my doctor).

    I also have problems with my feet (extreme pain when I stand for too long, when exercising, when I ski). On that I am not sure whether it's the tamoxifen or some permanent damage from the chemo (I did have some neuropathy during treatment) but either way it's definitely new.

    When I first started the tamoxifen I had a couple of other symptoms - hot flashes and leg cramps.  The hot flashes have completely disappeared and the leg cramps are much less frequent. 

    I have had 5 periods in the 18 months since I started tamoxifen.

    I'm trying to focus on exercise because I'm not willing to think of stopping the tamoxifen and I would love to feel more like my age!

    Rose

  • tammyjden
    tammyjden Member Posts: 28
    edited January 2014

    Thank you so much for this thread.  I haven't been on this website in a very long time but I am so desperate to figure out this Tamoxifen and how it relates to my pain I decided to start looking at topics and this one fit perfectly.  I am almost 45 and have been on Tamoxifen for 3 years.  In the past two years I have gained 20 lbs.  I also have extreme pain in my ankles, calves, knees, upper thighs, elbows and hands.  My hands swell every single night and I almost cannot get them to open up in the morning.  I was convinced I have arthritis but my Onco swears it is the Tamoxifen.  She absolutely agrees that all of my pain is related to chemo and Tamoxifen so at least I have a doctor that believes me when I complain of the symptoms.  It has gotten worse since I had a complete hysterectomy the summer of 2012.  My Onco switched me to Arimidex after that but the SE's were even worse so we switched back to Tamoxifen.  My knees are so bad that I cannot squat or sit on the floor.  I have a hard time squatting down but an even harder time getting up.  The pain is so severe in my knees that I no longer bend down or play in the floor with my grandson.  The pain and swelling in my legs is so bad at times that I cannot walk or get out of bed.  The mornings are worse for me, I walk like a robot when I get out of bed.  The pain in my arms and elbows is so bad that I went to PT for 6 months and nothing changed so I stopped going.  The therapists thought I had tennis elbow and golfer's elbow in BOTH elbows.  I can't lift over a few pounds in each arm.  So now I'm on total disability, cannot work, cannot do most house work, cannot cook anymore (which is devastating to me).  My way of life as I knew it before breast cancer is almost impossible to deal with most days.  I take Cymbalta for my depression, I take Trilipix because the Tamoxifen make my triglycerides spike.  I take Ambien for sleep problems.  I take Lasix for the swelling in my legs.  I have a vitamin D deficiency so I take 2,000 iu a day for that.  I have gotten Shingles 3 times in 3 months because of my weakened immune system.  I always have a cold or an infection so my doc now has me taking Vitamin C and Zinc for my immune system.  I take Protonix for acid reflux that I never had before.  I take Potassium because of the Lasix I have to take for swelling.  I have several more meds that I take daily but I'm hoping this shows that I now have to take over 15 pills a day ALL related to the Tamoxifen.  I'm just overwhelmed with pain which I now take Oxycontin twice a day for and vicoden if I have breakthrough pain.  The Oxycontin helps a bit but I won't let my doc increase the dosage because it makes me pass out.

    So where do we go from here?  I can't help provide for my family.  I have constant chronic pain.  I'm seriously debating just quitting the Tamoxifen and not telling anyone.  Not my Onco or my family.  I feel worthless because I can't do anything any more.  I do see a cancer therapist once a week to help with my depression.  I have a wonderful support system.  But it doesn't make the pain go away.

    Thanks for listening everyone, I know you are going through the same thing and it makes me feel better knowing I'm not alone.  Although I wish none of us had to go through this.

  • shoppygirl
    shoppygirl Member Posts: 694
    edited January 2014

    Tammy

    No advice here just a big cyber hug. The Tamoxafin is very hard on us. I know since being on it I have had tinnitus, worsening hot flashes and just feel not so great a lot of the time. Plus I am very stiff and have to exercise  every day or I really pay for it. I hope you find some relief somehow as it sounds like your qol is not so great. Perhaps there is a natural supplement that you can take. It looks like your BC was quite early and low grade. There must be some options for you. 

    Hugs. 

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited January 2014

    Tammy,

    My heart goes out to you. What was your oncotype score?  What does your onc think about taking a break from tamox to see what pain and SEs resolve. Did onc say you need to take for ten years which is the new quideline.  I chose quality of life.  I found studies that found ~50% of BC patients quit tamoxifen due to SEs. It's all our personal choice and pray for all of us that either way, we live rest of our lives cancer free. 

  • tammyjden
    tammyjden Member Posts: 28
    edited February 2014

    Hi Pink Heart,

    My oncotype score was 17, so I was just on the fence with chemo.  My onco recommended chemo and I went with it.  I do have to take it for 10 years now.  My doc does not want me to take a break but I'm going to anyway.  I'm just not telling her!  I'm choosing quality of life too.  I can't continue to live this way.  If the cancer does come back, I'll deal with it then.  But for now, I just can't handle the SEs.

  • LuciBeth
    LuciBeth Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2014

    I just had a bilateral mastectomy in Nov. 2013 and was started on the Tamoxifen a couple of months later. In just the past couple of weeks I've had a sudden onset of mainly hip pain, though I've had some problems with shoulders too. Don't know what's going on but I don't like it. Glad there is a place to share with others. I think I will wait a period of time to make sure it's not something else but honestly, (particularly after reading the thread) I am concerned it is the Tamox and am hoping I am not going to have to live with this for the next 10 years which is how long my oncologist said I would need to take the medication.

  • shoppygirl
    shoppygirl Member Posts: 694
    edited February 2014

    luci

    I have had hip and joint stiffness since taking Tamoxafin and I had a clean ct scan to rule out any other issues. It has subsided significantly in the last month. Exercise and yoga really help. 

  • Jennie93
    Jennie93 Member Posts: 1,018
    edited February 2014

    I've been having increasing joint pain and stiffness since starting tamoxifen about 9 months ago.  My MO just brushed me off, saying that tamox doesn't cause that (while acknowledging that the A.I.s are known for that) and I should just accept that I'm getting older, blah blah.  Well sorry but I'm only 50 and this pain is definitely new!  And, it took all of 2 or 3 minutes of searching to find dozens of women with the same thing.  So here I am.  I doubled my glucosamine but it hadn't helped much.  Anyone have any suggestions, anything that helped?  And, anyone know, will this go away after we stop the tamoxifen?  

    I also had some issues with leg & foot cramps but found that taking magnesium (500mg/day) really helped with that.  

  • shoppygirl
    shoppygirl Member Posts: 694
    edited February 2014

    Jennie

    I have the same issues. I find that lots of stretching and yoga helps. Also I have been using essential oils like peppermint on my hip and that has helped a lot. 

  • scarthome
    scarthome Member Posts: 9
    edited April 2014

    I started Tamoxifen about 1 1/2 years ago and the joint pains and aches have become unbearable. I am 49. I feel like I'm 100 years old. I cannot believe how every bone/joint in my body hurts. The worst areas are knees and hips. It worsens after sitting for long periods as well. I read on one of the forums than glucosamine helps so I started taking it and it helped a little bit but now I see it's getting worse again. I am literally unable to walk, bend, etc most of the time without limping. My daily/hourly comment is "stuff hurts". I also had the bone scan and thank God it was OK but something is going to have to give soon. I hate this. Also have had issues with flashes, moodiness, etc. but nothing is as bad as this all over pain. 

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