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  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2014

    Mimi - Here's a study that was published last fall.  My derm doc was all in favor of mometasone (Elocon) once a day as a preventative.  The RO doc - not so much.  She favored only Aquafor but said OK to Miaderm.  After I finished radiation I had the derm doc write an Rx & I treated two adjacent burn patches - one w/Elocon and one w/Miaderm.  I only put it on 3 days.  The patch w/Elocon has already dried and is just about finished peeling.  The adjacent patch is still an ugly red rash. 

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23942595#

  • ginadmc
    ginadmc Member Posts: 263
    edited March 2014

    I finished on Friday 3/28! The lower half of my armpit is so red, it's purple, quite sore and beginning to peel. I've used 2 tubs of L'Occitane 25% shea butter cream and their very gentle soap. Now I'm using a locally made organic body butter and bio oil during the day and Calmoseptine at night. And I've been taking tylenol as needed for pain, mainly at bedtime. I'm still wearing a sports bra to work and a thin silk undershirt under everything during the week. On weekends, I can wear a looser cotton camisole. I've also had some of the sunburn symptoms, mainly feeling either too hot or too cold. I had an itchy rash that has subsided.

    I haven't been totally miserable, just uncomfortable in the last 2 weeks. My energy has been good enough to work full time and work out 3-4 times a week. My last time around I had 34 treatments, this time 30 and I'm happy to be done!

    Healing thoughts to everyone!   Gina

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited April 2014

    Hi there. To the topic of creams etc. As I said nothing till week 3.

    But at week 4 the told me to air the boob. To spend the weekend walking around the house or wherever topless. I joked that this would be exciting at the mall. Yes,it's legal here but, ummmm, no.

    I did it and it helped. Glaxal Base 3 times a day, epsom salts baths twice a day. I think I've gotten of pretty easy, so I'm glad I listened. 

    Good luck girls. My heart is with you even if I can't respond to every post.

    Hugs'n'kisses 

    Deb

  • flagirl
    flagirl Member Posts: 144
    edited April 2014

    well 27/33 left. Having trouble with markings staying on with aquafore use. Any suggestions on how to keep them on? What about tattos, should I do them? Otherwise seem to be doing well so far. Chills are common for about four hours afterward.  I am having fatigue, energy level down after tx. Also stopped all vitamins but d3 taking 2,000 ui twice daily per onc.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2014

    flagirl, I had to keep markings on for quite awhile after my simulation due to further testing of new lumps. They provided me with clear plastic stickers to put over the markings and it worked very well. I ended up getting tattoos when I started. Even with the tattoos, they still write all over me at my appointments.

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited April 2014

    No choice here Flagirl, tats on day one. Hated them and cried cuz of the needles. I thought it would be painless. My kids have tattoos. They didn't mention pain. Lol.

    Sorry you're having problems with your markings. 

  • Miminiemi
    Miminiemi Member Posts: 340
    edited April 2014

    Minustwo - Thanks for the research publication.  I will read it  tomorrow.  Feeling tired tonight after a fun day of shopping and eating with friends.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited April 2014

    Well Minustwo:  Looks like you did your own study.  I am not really certain that anything we put on our skin makes a difference in preventing skin issues, but does help with addressing skin issues once they start.  I understand that the problem comes from the inside out actually.  Drinking water is likely more preventative.  They also cannot predict what skin type will react as it does not always relate to burning from the sun.  What I do know, is that I am hurting.  Thank goodness things have got to stop soon.  No fatigue though.  Working out is difficult as I do not want to swing my arm.  I can walk though.  And work, but am starting to take advil to manage the pain.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited April 2014

    Flaggirl - I too had tats at my simulation and they put little clear tape over each one - about the size of your thumbnail.  Then I was told tatoos don't work that well with breast radiation.  Nothing I did or didn't do would keep the marking on - except maybe the big "X" they put on each tape so they drew all over me every single time from tape to tape - red, pink, blue green.  I think any lotion fades the colors.  I literally did not shower my "top half" for 2 weeks at a time but they were still very unhappy w/me.  So glad I had a hand held shower to take care of the necessities below.

  • flagirl
    flagirl Member Posts: 144
    edited April 2014

    Thanks ladies for all your responses to my posting.  I am no going to get tats just gonna live with it.  They said they will put the stickers on for the weekend to help preserve them. I guess I will wash less, but it seems he aquafore is the culprit.  Had dr visit today he said all looks good.  Glad to hear said I probably won't have a rough time with skin and rashes.  That would be nice.  26 more to go. Keep it moisturized, using cornstarch underarm and under breast for friction. I apply it after I get home from tx and after unburn and aquafore is applied.

  • AndreaJ50
    AndreaJ50 Member Posts: 889
    edited April 2014

    yay! I am over halfway done Rads! 17/33 today. Just noticed pink patch up in armpit....didn't know Rads reached that high. I noticed little balls of skin there this morning...thought it was lint and tried to brush it off...oops!

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited April 2014

    flagirl - Glad your docs working w/you on the fading colors.  I used Miaderm and Fruit of the Earth 100% Aloe Vera - and never Aquafor.  As I mentioned, I lost lines from day to day.  It's still more important to lubricate than for them to re-draw lines.

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited April 2014

    Flagirl my tats worked just fine for my rads. I am almost 2 weeks post rads and other than some occasional zingers in the incision area and the little balls of skin that are exiting my epidermis I'm ok. I am using nothing but Glaxal Base and it seems to be doing its job. 

    Andrea, congrats on being over half done! Yay you. You've got this girl!!

  • flagirl
    flagirl Member Posts: 144
    edited April 2014

    Well, started to get minor zingers tonight.  I had to take a Tylenol.  It seems too soon into the treatments to be getting them,  I haven't heard anyone else really say anything about them.  Tomorrow will be number 9 of 33 for me.  Maybe it's swelling toward the outer edge under arm part of the breast.  No peeling yet skin looks splotchy but still moist.  I am gonna be glad when Friday is here and looking forward to the two day break. 

    TB90 sorry you are in  pain.  Hope you are done soon.  Hang in there!

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited April 2014

    Thanks flagirl:  I finished rads a week ago, but as they say, skin can worsen for a week or two.  As for zingers, I am getting a whole lot of them and they can be quite shocking at times.  Thank goodness they are quick. I should start to get better over the next few days to a week and cannot wait.  It is like the worst sunburn I ever had as a child.  You are almost one third there.  I kept track like that.  It helped me to celebrate each milestone and it did seem to go fast.  I hope your skin holds up well. 

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited April 2014

    I think I am having zingers, but I am not sure.  I am having them not just in my radiated area, but in others as well.  Is that some thing you all are also experiencing?

  • Tmorgan1210
    Tmorgan1210 Member Posts: 1
    edited April 2014

    I am finishing my 4th week of radiation and was wondering if muscle weakness and soreness was a side effect?

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited April 2014

    Hi everyone!  I have been incommunicado with a trip to the Northeast (brrrrrrrr!), so didn't have much time and only intermittent internet access.  I just read up on the posts -- scary fevers, some of you gals, glad you got to the doc and got it checked --- and for those with cream questions, I think there are a variety of answers from various ROs.  I used Miaderm, which was great, and right at the end when I blistered, I got an Rx for Silvadene.  Aquaphor helped when I needed some heavier moisture -- and you can combine or layer the creams to get extra help when your skin needs the moisture.

    A month post-rads, and my girl has a tan, but otherwise looks better than before she got fried.  I peeled afterwards, as some have described here, and the scars looked so much better after the peel!  I am still getting the occasional zinger, and it seems like the tissues in my breast are firmer than before, especially in the area which was targeted by the boosts.  I had been afraid the skin would continue to get worse after the last rads zap, but it really just improved everyday.

    Signs of Spring are all around (even saw some robins in upstate NY....but they looked a little confused by the cold).  I hope the increasing warmth and the hope the sprouts with Spring buoys us all and brings a smile to your faces.  Be kind and loving to yourselves, radiant ones!

    Hugs!  --Kim

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited April 2014

    Well I turned a corner within the past 24 hours and feel MUCH better.  All of a sudden the chills are gone and although my skin looks dreadful, the pain has subsided.  It was so sudden and so welcome.  So if any of you find that your symptoms worsen once rads are finished, it only lasted for one week for me and then very suddenly improved.  Whew

  • Lojo
    Lojo Member Posts: 303
    edited April 2014

    Well, I'm back. Thought I'd made it with little problem, but now 4 days since the last zap my skin is very unhappy. I'll probably call my RO and talk to a nurse, but what is OK in terms of skin oozing pus? They gave me these Vaseline embedded gauze strips to put on, which keeps it moist, but I wonder if the moisture is hindering recovery? I'm taking Advil during the day and percoset at night. On the good end, my supraclav area which finished at 25/28 is now 8 days post zap and beginning to peel dry skin and it no longer hurts, though it was never as bad as my scar line and surrounding area is now. Ugh. Any advice ?

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited April 2014

    I thought I'd check in with my post treatment update, too.  I had only a couple of weeks of discomfort and they began at about week 4 and lasted to the end of the whole breast treatment.  Discomfort for me was lots of nipple sensitivity - I'd actually have to hold any clothing away from that area.  I was very red on the rest of my breast, but it didn't hurt or sting like a real sunburn.  It looked much worse than it felt.  I switched at that time from regular Eucerin to Aquaphor, because it seemed to be a good buffer against clothing. On weekends there was always a noticeable recovery time, when the sensitivity calmed way down.  I got a few zingers during that uncomfortable time and asked my RO, who said that they were from the nerves disturbed by surgery and that the radiation could activate them.  Instead of getting worse they disappeared by the time I started the boosts.  I think I only had them for a few days - few times a day.

    The minute the boosts started (29th treatment) I began to heal - a little peeling of very thin layers, particularly in that area below the breast.  I didn't have to get the prescription.  My RO checked carefully and could tell if the peeled areas were something to get extra help for or if it would heal naturally.  I got slightly redder in the boost area during the last treatments and then it stayed red for about 4 days post treatment.  I haven't had any more zingers, peeling has stopped, I have a slight tan, haven't been fatigued.  I am enrolled in the cancer wellness program that is on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but have been away this week for some R&R in the mountains.  I find that I really miss the workout.  I have about another four weeks of membership in that program, so will get back to that on Tuesday.  I'm slightly achy and stiff,  but that is nothing new! (I'm 65)

    I want to note that the radiation was not as bad as I had feared in the beginning.  I had to have it on the left side, so was extremely worried about my heart.  I've been very bothered by PVC's (irregular heartbeat) for about a year, although numerous tests have diagnosed this as a benign condition.  My RO from the start reassured me and showed me on the computer how my heart was blocked from the radiation.  The PVC's are no worse now that I've been finished for 9 days.  I also have always thought about my mother who had BC in 1978 and had radiation for 6 weeks - on what would now be considered less accurate machinery - and she did well and lived for 33 years.  She had a mastectomy, 3/12 nodes, and radiation.

    Lojo, I'm sorry that you're still having problems.  My RO always stressed that airing things out would really help things heal, but I never had the seepage problem.  I hope they can tell you what to do next.  Now that you are finished with treatment (hooray!) you should probably notice a huge difference in a few days.  Let us know how you're doing!

  • Lilyluv
    Lilyluv Member Posts: 160
    edited April 2014

    Hi Team Kim,  Yeah we can't put that coat away yet!  Tons of robins here in not so sunny WI.  And the goldfinches are starting to get their bright yellow plumage.  Also there's a momma black squirrel in our nestbox likely with "nuts in the oven". :-)  Now all we need is some weather above the 40's.

    TB90 great news!!!

    Lojo when I used gauze it made it worse because the gauze would pull the skin off with it.  Try getting some Telfa pads (They're like the little patch in the middle of bandaids that don't stick to your wound.  They don't stick to your skin.  The little threads from the gauze kept getting stuck in the goop and would itch.  See if that helps.

    I'm one month post rads and my breast has now broken out in MORE red blobs.  They aren't irritated though.  I just can't get rid of my skin doing weird stuff like this.  As long as it doesn't hurt or itch I don't care.  It looks bad though.   

    Rads wouldn't have been so bad for me if  I didn't have spine problems (pinched nerve), and the arm position was so hard on it I had to have an epidural.  The area around my armpit is extremely sore due to radiating pain from the boost radiation - they did my armpit area then.  I'm in physical therapy now with a  therapist that works with breast cancer patients.  When she massages that area, the pain runs down my arm and my hand tingles and goes numb.  I don't know why I keep getting more red areas as the weeks go on, but there are no more open sores.  Just a mystery with the skin that keeps reacting.   Fatigue is terrible, but part of that could be from the constant neck and arm pain from my neck problem.  Sure hope PT helps out with that.

  • Lilyluv
    Lilyluv Member Posts: 160
    edited April 2014

    p.s., Be careful of miaderm if you are sensitive to fragrances.  It made me itch terrible.   I stuck with unscented things like Aquaphor, Neosporin for open wounds, as well as Aloe, and Cetaphil.  

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited April 2014

    Lojo:  I was wondering how you were doing as we were pretty similar in our experiences and I had a terrible time once the rads finished.  My skin also started to break down and ooze a fluid.  Is that what yours is doing or is it infected with pus?  Totally different thing.  It is very painful, but an infection will have to be treated differently.  I too phoned my nurse and she assured me that mine was simply as bad as it would get, but not infected.  If you run a temperature, then you need to go in.  She told me to keep using my cream (glaxal base in Canada) and to air dry it as much as possible and even use the cool setting on a hair dryer to get relief.  The hair dryer thing did not do much for me and just interfered with my show on television :)  I had the chills very badly, but every time I checked, no temp.  Drink lots of water.

    The good news is that  one week to the day post rads, it suddenly and dramatically improved.  The pain ceased, as did the chills and the skin started to dry up and heal.  I am now shedding like a snake.  So hang in there for another day or two and hopefully the same relief will come to you.  I hate to whine, but I was miserable for about 6 days.  Good luck getting through the last of this.  Relief is close at hand!   

  • Lojo
    Lojo Member Posts: 303
    edited April 2014

    Thanks all! I'm back from the doc, the nurse said to come in. On the phone she said it sounded normal but wanted to check anyway (my follow up had been scheduled for Monday). Anyway, I guess it is acceptable oozing! Gross but ok. The RO said tomorrow or Sunday will likely be the worst and then it will improve quickly thereafter. I think I'd manage better if I didn't have to work or drive. I can work at home, but I have to shuttle the kids around. Sometimes I really hate soccer :)

    TB, so glad you're on the mend, I know you're only a week ahead of me, so that gives me hope.

    The gauze doesn't really irritate, but I'm going to air it out a bit. They took the gauze off to look at me, and I think I'll keep it off until bed. But the gauze embedded stuff is really the only way I can apply anything to most of my chest because the skin is so weepy and loose. I think it is tefla, just packaged with Vaseline in aluminum sleeves.

    I'm glad this didn't happen during rads though, it is helpful to know that it will end soon, and I'm at least not driving back and forth every day

  • Palameda
    Palameda Member Posts: 259
    edited April 2014

    Logo, the Vaseline gauze isn't like telfa at all. It was after my skin kept sticking to the telfa that. I graduated to the gauze. Apparently keeping  a moist environment helps the skin heal better than dry, which is why all the creams. I loved putting that wet gauze on over my silvadene, it was so soothing! Then I covered that goop with layers of dry soft gauze to keep the moisture in and off my clothes.

  • Lojo
    Lojo Member Posts: 303
    edited April 2014

    Thanks Pat,

    I'll keep the gauze on. It seems to encourage the oozing of the yellow goop, which I guess is a good thing? I'm just so tired of it and want to turn the corner on this -- now 7 days out, and it's been pretty bad for 3 days now. I thought it might be getting better on Saturday but then another large area broke down. :-(

    Trying to see all of this as temporar

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited April 2014

    Logo, it is temporary. I'm 2 1/2 weeks out and my oozing bits are better. Almost back to normal except for having to build some new skin in the two worst areas. Strangely enough I cannot seem to lose the arm pillow at night. My fear of LE is greater than my happiness that treatment is kind of over. So, it doesn't hurt to keep it elevated - I don't worry about it and it will one day go away.

    {{{{Lojo}}}}


  • AndreaJ50
    AndreaJ50 Member Posts: 889
    edited April 2014

    Well it was bound to happen. The technician was commenting today on how well my skin was holding up....then tonight my skin is red and sore and itchy . Yikes!

    I just had 21/33 today (last five will be boosts). I just took a Benadryl because that used to help with sunburns.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited April 2014

    Lojo:  I was just like you, so fed up by day 6 post rads.  I am now 10 days out and the entire area has peeled away and there is new, pink, shiny skin and it does not hurt at all.  I am keeping up the moisturizing and back wearing a bra.  I know this is in your very near future.

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