Does this sound at all like Lymphedema?

ForMyBoys
ForMyBoys Member Posts: 64
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

I apologize in advance that this is long and maybe vague, but I am at my wits end to figure out what is going on.

First, the background. I had bilateral mastectomy 3 years ago today (cancer was only on one side) with only sentinel node removed in prior surgery and radiation after chemo and mastectomy.

Was surprised to be left with dog ears. Was told to massage my scar after surgery, but that was before radiation and the massage promptly stopped. Over the years, I've talked to to Onco about the feeling there was an orange under my arm on the cancer side and was told to quit lifting so much. As far as checking for lymphedema, both arms were measured before and shortly after surgery and that is the extent of that.

Okay, so a couple of years of under-using my arms and the resulting chest muscle spasms and tightness when I do use my arms for even light weights, mild swimming, and the severe pulling forward of my shoulders because of the severe adhesions on my cancer side and mild adhesions on the other side has left me in a mess.

I was diagnosed with "frozen shoulder" on my NON-cancer side last fall after a PET scan cleared me of the shoulder and arm pain being from cancer. PT with pulling and weights sent me into a storm of chest spasms. Surgeon has left but his office told me the scar needs to be massaged. I found a place that does this, that also happens to do lymphedema therapy. Something happened during this time period, possibly blood pressure or tourniquet for blood draw or PT at the first place, caused my non-cancer/frozen shoulder arm to swell and feel like I constantly had a blood pressure cuff on me. It lasted for a few days and was eventually relieved by elevation, ice and compression. The therapist doing the adhesion massage took over working on the shoulder so he could do it more manually and not spasm the chest muscles and he started MLD on both sides. The thing is...he seems skeptical the swelling/pain from that arm is from lympedema since there was no radiation on that side and no lymph nodes removed. It did measure larger, but is my dominant arm. The thing is, the swelling comes on very, very quickly and I have not seen him when it was so swollen. He did tell me to treat it as though it were lymphedema and not to get any more blood draws/IVs or blood pressure taken there.

It has happened again, twice, and the last two times I also felt swelling and pressure in my upper back (and in that stinkin' dog ear) on that side and my fingers felt cold. I am finally scheduled to get an MRI of my shoulder since my internal/external rotation is not improving at all, but the ortho doc isn't positive we will be able to see much since my port is in place.

Also, the ortho doc that ordered the MRI says the swelling and cold fingers is vascular and would not show up on MRI and he would not be able to help me with it. Does it sound more vascular than Lymphedema? My PCP is fed up with referring me and I don't think he will refer me to someone else, so I feel a bit helpless.

So, I've been off of PT for a week waiting to see docs and get MRI appt (scheduled Tuesday), and the shoulder has gotten better from rest. But today, I used the computer quite a bit. Shoulder is not hurting really, but my shoulder blade  and (and dog ear to lesser degree) feels like 5 lbs of pressure are under my skin and it is painful. It feels like constant pressure.

Any ideas are greatly appreciated.



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  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited March 2014

    Wow, ForMyBoys, I'm really sorry you've been dealing with such a merry-go-round! I hope you soon have solid answers and the help you need to begin to take back control of your life.

    Obviously we can't help with a diagnosis here, but I can tell you that there are several of us here (myself included) who have lymphedema on our prophylactic side, with no nodes purposely removed, and of course no radiation. Any trauma to the breast/chest can cause lymphedema -- in fact, it's a problem football players can develop. Or people in auto accidents. So, no surprise to develop lymphedema following a prophylactic mastectomy. 

    Using our arms following cancer treatment helps keep muscles as well as lymph vessels healthy. Muscle movement is the major "pump" that moves lymph fluid through the system, and CAREFULLY strengthening those muscles can prevent the kinds of injuries that make lymphedema happen--or make it flare once it's present. If you can find a well-qualified lymphedema therapist, they should be able to guide you to the kind of gentle exercises that can start you toward healing. Here's how to find one near you:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified…
    It is your doctor's role to refer you to the health professionals you need--being "fed up" is simply unacceptable. Please don't be put off by his frustration--it is not your fault and you should not have to suffer for it. Any doctor on your team can write the referral, but your PCP certainly needs to be on your side as far as finding the solutions you need. 

    Truncal lymphedema can feel heavy, bulky, achy, or outright painful. Here's more information about it:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/breast_chest_trunck…
    In case this is what you're dealing with, try to avoid icing it when it's painful. Cool is good, but cold can draw more lymph fluid, and that's not what you want.

    All that just to say, Yes, it does sound a whole lot like lymphedema. Glad you're seeking answers--please don't let anyone put you off for continuing to search out the right ones!

    Gentle hugs,
    Binney

  • ForMyBoys
    ForMyBoys Member Posts: 64
    edited March 2014

    Thank you, Binney. That helps a lot just to know I might be in the right ballpark.

    The lympedema therapist I found a few months ago is really good I think. They are just also dealing with my scar adhesion removal and wanted to take on the mechanical problems of my rotator cuff area shoulder problems as well so that the other PT I was doing would quit casing the severe muscle spasms in the chest since they didn't understand the mastectomy. He was treating me on both sides with MLD, but I've discontinued therapy until after the MRI results to save my therapy visits per calendar year the insurance will cover.

    Since the shoulder mechanics aren't improving in some ways, the LD therapist does think I need the MRI for that part of the situation. But I also think he wants to rule out anything else that could be causing the swelling (DVT from port unlikely but possible) before settling 100 percent on lymphedema. I've also read about thoracic outlet syndrome while researching all of this, although that seems unlikely as well. The quick onset and relief after a few days in the prophylactic side doesn't present exactly as lymphedema, so he wants to be sure.

    The arm pain and swelling from the time before last was so severe I almost went to the ER. Of course it started on a Friday night and would be on the weekend. That is the time my fingers were so cold. It was resolved by Monday a.m. That is what the ortho doc says sounds vascular.

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited March 2014

    If it's vascular Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, then they should be able to do a scan of the blood vessels to see if something is compromised. 

    My dh had TOS - he woke up one morning and his arm was swollen, cold,
    and blue. It has been fine the day before, so this was a sudden onset. I did LE-type arm measurements on his arm that morning, and it was over 10% bigger than the other arm!  It took him some months and many doctors to get properly dx,
    but it turned out that he had venous TOS. The area between the clavicle and top rib was settling a
    bit, and crushing the vein between then. Blood could flow into the arm, but had a hard time getting back out through the compressed vein.  He had a rib resection (rib removal) and is fine today.  I do remember that his swelling and coldness in the arm wasn't consistent - it did wax and wane occasionally.  

    Most TOS is neurogenic, which makes it much harder to dx and much harder to treat.  But a vein scan diagnosed my dh's venous TOS, and I'm assuming the same could be done for arterial TOS.  

    There are forums similar to BCO for TOS that my dh found useful - you could google a few and see if your symptoms are consistent with what other TOS patients are reporting. 

  • ForMyBoys
    ForMyBoys Member Posts: 64
    edited March 2014

    Thanks for the info Natsfan. I will do some more research.

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