Mammogram vs Ultrasound n MRI

sloyd66
sloyd66 Member Posts: 202

Hi Ladies,

I'm reading some of the post for ILC which I was told is not common...But since it's a sneaky dx wouldn't you say an ultrasound or mri would be mor sufficient then a mammogram, as we all know now that mammograms are not catching alot of stuff? I just heard on tv awhile ago how mammography is not good anymore with detecting BC. I think I'm going to talk to my Drs about this. I rather do a Ultrasound or MRI then keep getting the titties smash, knowing it's a possibility you may overlook something.

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  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited March 2014

    Many of us here had our ILC discovered only a few months after a clear mammogram--- so yes, an ultrasound or MRI would be helpful.  I still have an annual MRI after 5.5 years and my argument has been that it did not show up on the mammogram just 6 months before I was diagnosed.

  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited March 2014

    Yes I'm going to request the ultrasound and MRI. my mammograms only showed classifications... I literally felt my tumor a yr after mammogram.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    My answer is yes...MRI, I was told by my radiation onc, is the gold standard for ILC.  ILC is less common than IDC, but not rare.

    Claire in AZ

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited March 2014

    Sloyd, you probably heard about the long term Canadian mammography study update which hit the news in February. The report was flawed and there is discussion elsewhere on this site regarding the unfortunate media hype that led many to conclude screening is worthless. On the contrary, although ILC is more difficult to detect, some of us will also have ductal lesions which can show up on xray.

    An ultrasound is a reasonable follow-up if something needs further investigation (sounds like you had calcifications=calcium deposits).  US is noninvasive and fairly cheap. However, MRI with contrast requires a potentially nephrotoxic IV infusion and is very expensive. If you have a strong family history, dense tissue or high probability of recurrence, you might get insurance to pay. I had to fight for mine last year and am still getting a serious lack of cooperation from the company even after my appeal was approved: they have denied coverage & refused to pay the hospital...

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited March 2014

    I had a mammo and ultrasound last March, and was told to come back in six months....this was for a lump that was very easy to FEEL. They told me it was most likely just dense breast tissue. They DID tell me that I had extremely dense breasts, but did NOT tell me what that might possibly mean for me in terms of how effective those tests might be at finding trouble in my breasts. (That particular angle of it makes me *angry*. Honestly, I feel I should have been informed of the risks that dense breast tissue left me with, but instead all I ever got after every mammo was a fairly cheerful "dense breasts often tend to be a bit lumpy and ropey feeling. It's normal!" Blah. My oncologist says I had that cancer for YEARS.)

    Six months later I went to another doctor who sent me immediately to a surgeon -- -and for another mammo and US that still showed nothing to get excited about. My surgeon went to bat for me with the insurance company (with the argument that he did not want to biopsy the lump without having SEEN it) and two weeks later insurance agreed to cover an MRI. The MRI clearly showed what neither the mammo nor the US had shown -- a tumor that was 5cm even after the surgeon took 8 slices out of it during a core needle biopsy.

    So yeah. I'd say that with dense breasts, especially "very" or "extremely" dense breasts, I'd get any and every test I can manage to get, and definitely an MRI even if I had to pay for it myself. If I had paid for an MRI several years ago I might not have wound up Stage IIIc, but no one ever told me that that was something I *might* want to do. IT would have been totally worth the money.

  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited March 2014

    Wow lisa137,

     

    Yea if i have to pay for it out of pocket I will, but I don't have faith in the mammograms anymore. And after seeing a news report awhile ago saying how mammograms are not detecting alot, i'm thinking what's the purpose of getting my tits smashed if I still end up loosing out.

  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited March 2014

    Hi vlnrph,

    Yes that's probably the report I seen, I did have alot of classification in my left breast.

  • Annette_U
    Annette_U Member Posts: 111
    edited March 2014

    Mammo and ultrasound never saw my 6cm cancer so I say get an MRI! or if you suspect than a punch biopsy would be best.

  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited April 2014
  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited April 2014

    Well, it really is a dense breast tissue thing, I think. My mom does not have dense breast tissue, and her  DCIS was detected by mammogram quite easily....all three times. Which is why it never went beyond DCIS. The last time she got radiation, since it kept coming back, and she's been DCIS-free for around 15 or so years now. Good thing she changed doctors lol.

  • KJR1964
    KJR1964 Member Posts: 25
    edited April 2014

    OK... I have two weeks before my surgery... Opted for MX Left Breast only... DX IDC 2.5cm and ILC .4mm Grade II? and ILCS spots in the core biopsies...  First Ultrasound and mammogram (only IDC discovered).... Suspicious shadowing .. suggest follow up ultrasound which will have a bearing on surgery... Second ultrasound... After about 10 mins with technician, the radiologist comes in and says " Our talented tech has found something that seems a bit suspicious and we need to do a biopsy"  ..Three cores taken...  Come back in a week... Four hours drive and with the DX of two different cancers I was just a little bit overwhelmed.... We need to give you an MRI to properly DX this type of cancer.. ie.. how far has it gone... I just went "NO" take it off.. Don't know why... just did... Researching now I wish I had of done the MRI... Too many ifs, buts and whys???... Yes the Mammogram picked up something which was obviously behind the 2.5cm which was originally said to be 1.5cm three weeks before (Grade Low to Intermediateb only).. yes the ultrasound said there was something not right... Reading of first reports and then pushing for a second ultrasound I was astounded they did find what they found... I feel that they should have sent me straight for the MRI and hopefully get a better picture of what was going on... may or may not have had a bearing on my decision to have the MX but I am getting so worried .. two cancers, two treatments? BCN said I am making the right decision... Just wish there was a better way of DXing all of us... That will give us peace of mind ASAP... Without having to make the wrong or right decisions (just the right ones) and knowing that we will be OK... I know that there is so many ladies out there that are worse off than me and can only give them my prayers... I just want to be able to get through this with some sort of sense that I have done the right thing and that the medical profession will find newer ways of detecting and treating us better, faster and more efficient.. Think I'm hoping for a miracle but Oh Well we can only LIVE IN HOPE... "think I just vented".. lol

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited April 2014

    Good vent Karen - feel free to let off steam any time. Keeping up hope is key! My ILC also "grew" with each imaging procedure. Don't be surprised if final pathology after surgery reports even bigger. It's due to the way the cells extend out single file from the core. Not forming a lump like IDC is what makes it harder to detect and measure. Maybe you could get a baseline MRI for the opposite breast prior to your upcoming operation. Doesn't hurt to call and ask about it. If not, you are still doing the right thing. Relax as much as possible & breathe...

    sloyd, please don't give up on mammograms or discourage others from getting them. The Canadian study used old equipment and favored women with suspicious findings. Since most cancers are ductal, our sisters will still need these simple xrays for screening every year.

    Lisa, did you know that several states now have passed legislation to require specific warning information go to owners of dense tissue? It's a national movement to increase the type of awareness that really matters (not just making everything in sight some shade of pink each October). There is a website and probably people in NC working on this. We do get fattier after menopause making this concern more significant for younger women.

  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited April 2014


    Oh don't get me wrong I'm not saying don't get it done, I'm just trying to see which is better.

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited April 2014

    Thanks for understanding my concern. Even Time magazine had "Mammogram Myths" on their cover that week! 

    My last MRI was OK 4 months ago but I'm thinking of requesting another this fall, mostly for peace of mind...

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited April 2014

    vlnrph, Yes! I did know that.... because I'm in North Carolina.  :)  I wish no one ever had to go through any of this again, and every thing they can do helps.

  • BrigitteBB
    BrigitteBB Member Posts: 15
    edited May 2014

    I hate when we use the 'T' word in a serious discussion... it makes us sound like men! (It could be offensive to someone visiting this site for the first time and scare them off)

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