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  • ellenkc
    ellenkc Member Posts: 173
    edited March 2014

    MinusTwo -- Any chance this is a flu or something? I have a cold this week, and with the initial symptoms, it was easy to think it was some leftover chemo or radiation effect. But we do get those regular old illnesses too!

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2014

    Ellen - I don't think it's cold or flu.  No other symptoms after 48 hours and I've been super careful not to go out in crowds or around kids for the last year.  But thanks for the thought. 

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2014

    Minus Two:  Your skin continues to deteriorate for a week to ten days (or even longer) after rads are finished.  It is possible that you have developed an infection, so please check in with your RO.  Our bodies are so compromised with these burns.  I think a bit of a fever is typical, but yours has gone a bit high now.  You may need some blood work done and/or a Rx.  Other than the burn, has your skin broken down? Or maybe you have a flu? We still can get the regular crap. Hope you feel better real soon and let us know how you are doing.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2014

    Oops, posting with Ellen.  Forget about the flu idea :)

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2014

    Thanks again ladies.  I do know about the 2 weeks that the burns get worse.  My skin seems to be OK but I guess there could be an infection.  Can't see any redness except the continuing rash.  What I'm most worried about is (still & always) damage to the 2 year old implant.  You're right, better to call.

  • Miminiemi
    Miminiemi Member Posts: 340
    edited March 2014

    Minustwo - I felt terrible the week after rads and my temp went up to 102 for several days.  Saw the RO for follow-up this week and told him about it.  I had decided it was a virus since I started coughing and am almost over the cough now - a month later.  He agreed the 102 temp did not sound like a SE, but instead virus like flu.  Better check with someone.

  • dragonfly45
    dragonfly45 Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2014

    I am celebrating completion of my treatmments - Finished rads on the March 24th.  The fatigue this week is increadible.  I am pushing myself and working part time.  It is something normal for such an unnormal time.  i see the RO next week and plan on going back to the gym when i get the okay.  I was very fortunate that my skin did not break down, however it is very tan.  I used the Aquaphor twice a day during treatments and will continue for a few more weeks. I am going to take a break form the forums.  I have a quilt i started for my grandson to finish and i am doing some stained glass pieces that my daugher wanted. 

    I am wishing you all good health and my thoughts and prayers will be with you.  I know we will always be connected by the "whale in the room".   But for now i am going to work on getting my "Whale" small enough to walk around.

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited March 2014

    Dragonfly, we will miss you. Pop in occasionally to say hi, please.

    Just an update - I am now 1 week post rads and I thought, yay, other than fatigue I'm doing well. Last night, however, my skin, which had been holding up well, started breaking down. The skin below my breast started crumbling off. That's the best description I can think of. It is coming off in a series of very small rolled up balls of skin. It seems okay underneath though. Just tender. 

    My nipple also belongs on a lizard. It is hard and leathery. Hope that changes soon.

    MinusTwo, hope you get feeling better soon.

  • Miminiemi
    Miminiemi Member Posts: 340
    edited March 2014

    Red - skin rolling off is such a good description.  Reminded me of a sweater with pilling all over it!  On our face we use exfolients (sp?) to take off the old skin and radiation is making our breasts look brand new!

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2014

    Mimi, That is SUCH a good way to think of it - and it's true, too.  They told me that that was all brand new skin underneath. 

    Red, I've been peeling in the same way - little thin rolls of old skin.  I'm just tan at this point, two days after the end of radiation, but I guess from reading descriptions above and knowing that radiation is still working for 7-10 days, that it could get red again.

    I'm still waiting for the fatigue to begin.  Maybe that's still coming, too?  I'll let you know.  My gym program (associated with the cancer clinic) is on Tuesdays and Thursdays and lasts for five more weeks - I really think that's been helping. 

    Congratulations, Dragonfly!  Have fun with your quilt and other projects. 

    Minus Two - hope you feel better soon.  Let us know, OK?

  • Palameda
    Palameda Member Posts: 259
    edited March 2014

    Just wanted to chime in with something positive. My skin breakdown was kinda horrible at the end of rads, but it never got worse, instead it rather quickly healed up. By a week after finishing I no longer needed the wet dressings I'd been using, and had no discomfort at all. I found the telfa "non-stick" dressing to be a lie. When your skin is so damaged it pulls right off, that telfa sure CAN stick. At this point I'm still in the silly stretchy trainer bras I bought at the end of rads, haven't had the guts to try a real one yet, but I had no lingering skin issues at all, and certainly all it did was improve after it ended. I've got a strange blotchy tan in the places that didn't peel, and I'm still a little less energetic than normal (what is normal???)

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2014

    Pat:  That is good news and I so hope that I do not get worse.  I finished today and am very red, itchy and have some very sore patches.  Not too bad, but dreading it still getting worse.  But maybe it won't!

  • Lilyluv
    Lilyluv Member Posts: 160
    edited March 2014

    MinusTwo, did you call the doctor?  That's a high fever.  Maybe you're actually sick and the rads is a coincidence?  I hope you're feeling better!

    Mayanne, I had a very bad burn show up 3wk. after treatment (last week).  The nurse and doc and info sheet all said 7-10 days for reactions to peak.  When I called the nurse and told her I had a wet infected wound show up this late,  she said this is the time it peaks as if I should know that and that's normal.  It's no longer a wet wound, but it still looks bad and has a long way to go to heal.  7-10 days and 3 weeks is a big difference.

  • AndreaJ50
    AndreaJ50 Member Posts: 889
    edited March 2014

    What is the point of putting cream on your breast during radiation? The techs told me to wait until I see burns, and the RO told me to start with cream right away.

    I am in day 15/33 today and so far there is no change in my skin. I just wondered what the cream does before your skin reacts. And about how long now before I could expect skin changes. I know it is different for everyone, but just wondered.

    Thanks ladies!

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2014

    Hi Andrea,

    It will be interesting to read what others' ROs have said about when to apply the cream, but mine wanted me to begin immediately at the start of rads. I was glad I did, because the redness came on rather suddenly.  I had seen the RO and nurse in the morning and they were amazed that I had no skin issues, and by the afternoon, the "burn" look came out. (I believe this was at the beginning of my fourth week.)

    I had actually started applying cream before rads even began.  I figured it would condition the skin.  The only thing to remember is to gently wash it off if the cream has been applied within 3 or 4 hours of the treatments.  After I started reddening up, I also carried sample tubes in my purse and applied it immediately after treatments while dressing (learned that here :-)   

    Lily, I hope your burn spot is better.  Yes, my skin was doing fine - just turning to tan - but the RO and nurse had told me to keep putting cream (using Aquaphor) on for a couple of weeks while it's peaking (and it was hard to believe that anything was still going on).  Last night I found a tiny split on my areola and tiny splits on the nipple.  I'm sure these new areas are from the boosts which I just finished on Tuesday (3 days ago). My husband gave me a product called Climb On which is a pasty thing sold to outdoor people who have cracked hands.  It was hard to apply, but possible.  The cracks are no worse this morning, so I'm hoping they are healing quickly and, anyway, they are not getting worse!  They also don't hurt, but I'm sure I have to keep a watch on them. The doctor had said that if anything changes (he had not seen these cracks at the discharge appointment because they weren't there yet, of course) that he would prescribe Silvadene. Evidently, as "over" as it seems when the rads are over, there are still changes going on for those 7-10 days. 

    Pat, thanks for your positive news!  It's wonderful to hear that you are healing well! You are beautiful!  I just want to add to your positive news and tell women who are reading and still facing rads, that in my case, the SE's have not been bad.  I was terrified and looking back, think of all the times I had meltdowns in anticipation of what MAY happen.  I had read so much that I knew of almost anything that could happen and I thought it would all happen to me.  It didn't and, although I know I could still become fatigued, so far I haven't.  I had been very afraid of radiation, but I've read and the doctors have said that there's only one case in a thousand where radiation actually causes cancer.  I've preferred to think all the way through that the radiation has healing beams (read here and I wish I could thank the person who coined that). 

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2014

    Lilyluv - Yes I did call the RO.  Thanks for asking.  I thought the fever had broken when I woke up in a sweat yesterday but my temp was climbing again already.  RO said "no way, not that high (102.5)".  I still think some of what Red explained about sun burn is correct and part of the problem is a rads SE.  That and a nickle...  My skin is healing well and there are NO other symptoms but I called the MO because I kept spiking up to 102.  He said immediate ER visit.  They did all sorts of blood tests & a chest X-ray and found nothing.  And remember, there are no symptoms.  They did take blood & urine cultures but won't know about those for 72 hours.  So they gave me a liter of saline, an IV dose of Vancomycin & Zosyn and let me go home w/an RX for broad antibiotic.  Interesting - as long as I take 2 aspirin within 7 hours of the two before, the temp never gets higher than 100.  By the time I left the ER after 6 hours, it was back up to 102+, exactly the same pattern, but no one has a clue at this point other than guessing at possible esoteric things.  So I'm setting my clock to take aspirin on time to stay ahead of the fever.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2014

    MinusTwo:  Hope this fever disappears soon and that you are feeling ship shape in no time. Keep us posted.   

  • Lilyluv
    Lilyluv Member Posts: 160
    edited March 2014

    Geez Minus Two, I hope that fever leaves soon.  Bizaare that it's so predictable in cycling like that.  Do you feel like you're dehydrated or getting a lot of hot flashes or anything like that?  Maybe you have a low grade infection that doesn't have any outstanding symptoms to it.  I'm glad you went and got some tests and meds.  Let us know what you find out.

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2014

    MinusTwo,  I hope you're doing better.  I suppose the chest x-ray would have shown if you've developed pneumonitis?  But I was wondering about that as it's a side effect that was mentioned to me at my surgical consult.  I wonder if chest x-rays could miss it?

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited March 2014

    Hi ladies. I'm home again!!!! Vancouver was very nice (but rainy) and it was lovely to spend a week in the rain instead of in the snow. The cherry blossoms have burst into life there, and daffodils, crocuses and tulips are a foot high or more. It is, however, good to be home. To see my furbabies and my kids. To sleep in my own bed, bathe in my own tub.

    MinusTwo, how long has this fever been going on? Seems to me it is 5 or 6 days now??!! I could be wrong, my sense of time is off because of the trip. But if it is 5 or 6 days I think you need to see your primary care giver, not an RO or MO. Constant fever is your body's way if combating an infection of some sort. Lung, UTI, whatever. It's trying to burn it up. But at the same time, it depletes your body's resources and you need those now.

    I stick by what I said about sunburns. They bring on chills, fever, tummy upsets and sometimes diarrhea. I know, I've had a bunch as a redhead. And you have a whale of a sunburn on your breast right now. But you still need all the resources your body can give you and at this point (if my time sense is correct) you might be better with your regular doc, than with a specialist. {{{hugs}}}

    Mimi and Mayanne, I'm still shedding my skin like I was a sweater. Lol. I can add that in addition to my under breast area I now have little rolled up balls of skin in my armpit as well. Ewww.

    TB90, congrats on finishing rads. I hope that all of your issues are minor ones. ((((TB))))

    Andrea, I asked my RO about cream in advance and in his erudite opinion, it wouldn't help and could hurt. The cream acts as an intensifyer for the rads. Anyway that's what he said. So no creams for me until week 3. Then once a day till week 4 then as much as I wanted to use. Strangely enough, I still have all the same SE's as everyone else, so I'm not sure it matters one little bit!

    Mayanne, as soon as I read your post, I checked my lizard nipple. Nope no cracks or splits. Thank goodness. Although I'm sorry you're going through that.

    LilyLuv, hugs to you sweetie. Sorry about that post rad 3 week reaction! What's up with that? Darn. I so don't want to deal with that. I'm back to work full time next week.

    OK, I've pretty much written a book here, so I'll sign off now.

    Hugs'n'kisses 

    Deb

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2014

    Hi Red, Glad you're safe and happy back at home.  I'm amazed that the spring flowers are already out in Vancouver!  We are on a get-away R&R in the White Mountains of NH and there's still snow and mud - NO flowers in sight.

    No more splits or cracks.  What appeared one night disappeared by the next day.  I still have not had the fatigue - and have been spring cleaning with lots of energy.  If it hits me one of these days (finished with rads 5 days ago) at least the house will be clean of cobwebs.

    Minus Two - how are you?

  • Lojo
    Lojo Member Posts: 303
    edited March 2014

    One more tomorrow for me! I've just now gotten some broken skin in one patch and some pain under my armpit.

    And, I know you ladies will appreciate the absurdity, I just managed to dump a whole bunch of crumbs down my shirt (eating dinner while watching basketball). Painful and stupid!

    Tired a bit, but nothing debilitating.

    Good luck all!

  • Rads14
    Rads14 Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2014

    hi ladies,

    I reported a week ago that I was finishing up. I was doing pretty well...but I am four days out of rads and since the main target of the cancer was right by my nipple, my nipple seems to be bearing the brunt of after effects. The skin on the nipple and all around it has peeled off and is quite raw.  . It is so painful. Silvedine (sp?) is what they gave me for if I had severe redness. I have been applying it and bandages over it are the only thing that makes it comfortable.  Should I be exposing it more and not covering it with bandages? I know you all have talked some about this...I too have had chills and shooting needle like pains in the nipple:(( the nipple is also so hardened constantly that it adds to the pain. Thoughts?

    Thanks in advance<3

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2014

    Red:  Welcome back! I cannot wait for our tulips to start, but right now my beds are under about 4 feet of snow.  DH is going to remove some of the snow so that things melt faster and my flowers dare to poke out of the soil.

    Rads:  I am three days out from finishing and continue to worsen, just like they said it could.  It is so sore in spots and I feel like the skin is stretched and ready to rip apart.  Lovely!  I finally broke down and took an advil last night and slept well. 

    Lojo:  Congratulations on finishing tomorrow.  Hope your skin starts to recover.  It is so frustrating when you finish, but your skin continues to worsen.  Each day I know I am one day closer to this getting better.  We are almost there.

    Mayanne:  Sounds like a lovely idea . . . .R&R get-away.

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2014

    Lojo, congratulations!  It will feel so great to be done!  I can see how crumbs could hurt.

    Rads, my RO and nurse said to air things out as much as possible.  But then, they would also say to keep on applying aquaphor generously.  I guess there just has to be a balance.  Drink lots of water, too!

    TB, it just doesn't seem right that things should continue to worsen after it's over.  How fair is that?

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2014

    Rads:  I too am struggling with the issue of drying things out or keeping things moist.  I always feel that moist can breed infection, but my radiation nurse told me to keep things moist.  The only relief I get right now is to apply my glaxal base cream and then put a cool damp face cloth over the area.  I will have to pop the advil to get to work tomorrow.  I can take it very easy at work for a few weeks, so should be ok.  Hope we all stop "cooking" and start healing real soon.  And the zingers are shocking at times.  Thank goodness they are over as fast as they start.  I just keep focusing on the fact that the rads are doing their job.  Hope everyone finds some relief tonight and a good nights sleep.  Watching the Juno awards from Wpg here in Canada.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2014

    Update - ER docs found nothing in blood work or chest X-ray was clear.  I've slept much of the weekend.  There are still no symptoms other than fever.  Waiting for cultures to grow on urine and two blood samples.  I'm told an infectious disease doc will call w/results.  One speculation was a possible staph infection through my port & I only know that because they insisted on another blood sample from a different part of my body.  Thank you all for your concern.

    I love the spring stories and the R&R trips.

    Congrats to all who just finished or are finishing this week.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2014

    They will figure it out eventually and in the meantime, take good care of yourself.  These things also often just run their course and sometimes we never  really know what caused it.  Thinking of you  xxxx

  • Rads14
    Rads14 Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2014

    TB90 and Mayanne thanks so much...nice to compare notes. I am laying here topless now in bed in an effort to air it with the cream on it! It is such a Lovely look. My nipple hurts so much when it touches anything unless it is tightly compressed:( maybe I need to go topless everywhere..;) took some advil too. Have a good night.

  • Miminiemi
    Miminiemi Member Posts: 340
    edited March 2014

    Friends-I started reading actual medical research journal articles about creams and rads.  Most of them conclude with statements telling there is very little actual research about this topic and recommend that study be done.  There really are no definite studies.  That's why docs and techs just have to go on their clinical experience and vary widely.  

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