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  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited March 2014

    The only thing I'm taking other than the prescribed drugs is Calcium with vitamin D. That's only because I am worried about my bones during all this. Never took it before but I feel I need to now. I always listen to my body's requirements and right now it says Calcium. Don't know how this might help. But it's what I'm doing. (*shoulder shrug*)

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2014

    TB90 - I was told to stop Omega 3 fish oil also while in treatment.  I particularly miss that & the Vit E.  It really helped w/my skin and the Omega 3 helped 'lubricate' my knee joints.  I know you're probably right, but I live alone and cooking well balanced meals for one is a real stretch, so I do take some supplements.  Particularly now since I lost 60 lbs doing two different chemos and most food still tastes like cardboard.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2014

    Yes, the exception is definitely when you cannot get the nutrients through food.  Hope things start to taste better soon.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited March 2014

    lilyluv - when I was growing skin over a large raw area (nasty post-op infection) my dermatologist at Hopkins suggested Vaseline and gauze (in time no gauze).  It worked great and wearing a snuggle camo helped keep the gauze in place.  When it was so fragile my skin could stand the gauze, I just covered it in Vaseline and wore oversized shirts.  It often made a mark on the shirts that washed out but it was worth it for the healing it offered.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Good Evening Ladies,

    I'm really struggling this weekend with extreme fatigue and the chills - can't get warm. I'm sleepy ALL the time. I finished 19/31 on Friday and I don't really have any bad skin issues. I feel like I have the flu but know it's not the flu - if that makes any sense? It's nothing I've experienced before even during chemo. Moving from the couch to the bed is exhausting. Is this a common SE of rads?

  • checkers
    checkers Member Posts: 95
    edited March 2014

    Lilyluv, I agree with Niminiemi. My boost site became slightly raw a week after rads. It was also yellow and gooey. I used the Domeboro which helped soothe and dry it out. Then I used a big glob of aquaphor and covered it with a soft gauze pad. The goopiness of the aquaphor helps it stick. I did the Domeboro once a day and the aquaphor as needed. Within a few days it was almost completely healed!

    I was also told no strong antioxidants during chemo and radiation.

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2014

    Hi Slow Deep Breaths,

    I hope you're feeling better.  I haven't yet had the fatigue, but know it's common and others here will probably come to tell you. Are you able to do a little exercise?  My RO nurse told me at the beginning that the best way to combat fatigue is to walk and/or exercise.  I know that's hard to do when feeling so tired. 

    I HAVE had the chills, however.  They come and go.

    I've been told that I may get tired in a couple of weeks, so maybe you're getting it all over with early.  Hope so. 

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2014

    Slow:  And that is just how you feel :) 

    When I have had periods of fatigue, I definitely felt like I was coming down with a cold or flu and then never did.  For me, it comes and goes.  I am so damn itchy right now that it is hard to think of anything else.  I am so afraid of scratching in my sleep.  Might go to bed tonight with mitts on!

    And I have the chills on and off also.  I am so red, I am amazed that I have no soreness.  Three left to go.

  • Bec65
    Bec65 Member Posts: 312
    edited March 2014

    I'm not sure if I posted here before, but I definitely have been lurking and learning from all of you who are ahead of me.  Thank you!  I've completed 18/25 and am having the full combo plate of rads -- chest, supraclavicular, mammary nodes -- and am just starting to get red and have little bumps on my chest.  I saw my RO today, and she said something I realize I don't really understand, so I'm hoping one of you wise, experienced women can help me!

    For all my zaps except to the supraclav area, a brass mesh is placed on my skin.  The techs said this is to keep the radiation close to my skin.  My RO said she'll meet with me next Monday, when I have 5 left, to discuss when to remove the mesh.  What I didn't understand is why we're removing the mesh.  She explained it very technically, then tried much more simplistically when I said I didn't understand all the big words.  As soon as I got in the car, I realized I didn't even understand the dumbed-down version.  Any ideas?

    Re the SEs other are discussing, all I accomplish each day is a 4-mile walk (critical for my mental health but a time suck -- I'm MUCH slower than I used to be) and a trip to radiation.  I'm wiped out after lunch.  Also, I'm sore internally under my left arm/back area.  I don't know if this has anything to do with rads, or nerves waking up post-BMX.  (I'm still numb in that area.)

    Re supplements, my RO is okay with Omega-3, but I stopped vitamin C and multivitamins on my own after asking Dr.Google.  I still take calcium, B6 (for chemo neuropathy) and iron.  

    Thank you!

  • Lojo
    Lojo Member Posts: 303
    edited March 2014

    Bec,

    I'm also getting the full combo. I have 2 more to the supra clavs and 5 more everywhere else. They put a gel pad on me, which as I understand it concentrates the radiation on the upper levels of tissue. I think they want a few zaps on the scar tissue, which is why they might remove it at the end.

    I'm also red and itchy. The back of my shoulder is red as I understand because of bounce back/rads going through the collar bone area.

    I can't wait to be din

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited March 2014

    Fatigue is a very very common side effect although my RO denied it. By day 13 I stopped working. I just couldn't concentrate I was so exhausted. 

    If you have ever had a bad sunburn, you will understand a little better. Sunburns come with fever, chills, stomach upset and often some diarrhea. That is what you have - a really bad sunburn on just one area of your body! And the sunburn goes inside too, just to make things worse. Inside you can get zingers, stationary pain and your nerves are still trying to repair themselves after surgery. 

    It's no wonder you feel like heck! Some people seem to sail thru it but most don't. Cut yourselves some slack girls. You're doing fine. Sleep when you need to. You need to heal and the urge does finally subside.

    {{{{huggles}}}

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2014

    Bec - Glad to see you here.  Welcome.

    I had a plastic "cover" for the first two weeks for some of the zaps.  I was told it was a 'bolus' and concentrated the rads closer to the skin/surface.  Try google.  There are some definitions that made sense after I read them several times.

  • Lilyluv
    Lilyluv Member Posts: 160
    edited March 2014

    TB90 I think Dr. Oz is getting more into marketing products than dealing with health problems anymore.  

     Red that makes perfect sense.  Bad sunburns give you the chills.  

    It's funny how they look at you like you're daft when you mention a side effect like chills.

     Mimi it looks like the infection is cleared now and there's no open parts, so I'll start using the Aquaphor.  I got improvement after I decided to use sterile saline solution before putting the Neosporin on.    Seems that's when it really started improving.  Wish I could use miaderm, but I don't understand why they fragrance products for sensitive skin.  It's scented too much.  At least Aquaphor has no fragrance.

    I've read that too about some supplements, but the onc never mentioned it.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited March 2014

    hello ladies - I'm only on day 5 of radiation but am really tired.  Could rad fatigue be starting already or do you think it's more likely leftover from chemo.  Just feel wiped out.  Thanks 

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2014

    Hi Quirky Girl, I haven't had chemo, so our treatments haven't been the same, but I DO remember that very early on in my treatment (just finished day 33d of 33 today), I felt bogged down when I walked, as if a huge pressure was pushing me down and it was even hard to lift my legs to walk along out of the hospital (so this seemed to happen immediately after treatments).  I think I must have adjusted, because instead of getting worse, it happened less and less frequently, and I can't even say I'm tired today.  

    I got my diploma today and we're going out to eat to celebrate!  Good luck to everyone going through this journey.  You WILL get through it and come out the other side.  My diploma reads, "Congratulations to you for outstanding bravery and courage throughout radiation treatment.  Good health from the staff."  So this is what we all are showing - bravery and courage in our treatment!  Good health to all of us!!

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2014

    Oh, but PS to the above.  My husband and I are retired.  I know that if I had had chemo, worked full or even part time or had small children or teenagers, I know that I might feel entirely different in the energy department.  I like Red's philosophy above to "cut yourselves some slack, sleep when you need to, and give yourself time to heal".. 

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2014

    Oh dear - I have been cutting myself some slack since I started this 2nd journey with Chemo #1 - one year ago April.  Since I finished rads last week, does that mean I have to get back to cleaning the house regularly?   Darn. 

    QuirkyGirl.  I did go into rads after a 30 day break from 2nd round of chemo.  I was really tired at first but seemed to get more energy as time went on.  I don't know if it was an SE from chemo gradually getting less or if I got accustomed to the rads - but I expect it was the chemo hanging on.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited March 2014

    thanks ladies!!  I'm encouraged. And CONGRATULATIONS Mayanne!!

  • Miminiemi
    Miminiemi Member Posts: 340
    edited March 2014

    Quirkygirl - I took naps lots early on during rads.  I just felt sleepy after getting there, getting treatment, getting home, etc.  I can't help but think, too, that the anxiety I felt was exhausting.  As treatment went on the anxiety got less and so did the naps.  Maybe I was just sleeping better at night.  Keep posting about how it goes.  It's always interesting to hear from people and compare.  Medical science just doesn't keep track of this stuff well enough.

  • Furfriend2
    Furfriend2 Member Posts: 299
    edited March 2014

    Hi Ladies,

    I haven't checked in a couple weeks and wanted to touch base. Having highs & lows each week.  I am on 25th round and have 8 more or less, lol. Dr. is trying to figure out my boost which will start tomorrow. First he was going to have  a large area of my breast radiated for boost.  After much consideration a smaller area of my breast will now be boost radiated. My nipple and one scar from surgery is super tender and I am itchy at clavical and back where radiation shoots through.  I am red& bumpy & oh what fun it is ladies!  Using benadryl cream for sore areas and Aloe Vera every day. Look forward to joining the I am done RADS pocket party !!!

    Hugs to each

    Furfriend

  • Furfriend2
    Furfriend2 Member Posts: 299
    edited March 2014

    RedReding, congrats on being done!!!

  • Jmfrankel
    Jmfrankel Member Posts: 86
    edited March 2014

    Haven't been here in awhile so I am just catching up on posts.  Congrats to everyone who has recently finished.

    Mayanne....I had very bad acid reflux and got prescribed omneprezole which helped a lot.  Had the same thing happen with chemo though.  By the way, the acid reflux went away after I finished rads.

    Bec65...your mesh thing is sometimes called a bolus.  I had one as well but mine was more like a flexible mat.  I had to wear my bolus for every treatment so not sure what the rationale is for having some treatments with it off.  I think someone else mentioned above but I will repeat that the bolus basically just makes it so that when the beam hits your skin it is at full power.  I was told that normally when it hits the skin it is at 60-70%.  Now it will be at this level when it hits the bolus but by the time the beam gets through the bolus and hits the skin it will be at 100%.  Hope this explanation helps. 

  • Kat9273
    Kat9273 Member Posts: 3
    edited March 2014

    Hi Everyone:

    I started my rads on March 4, 2014 and have 13 treatments down, 17 to go.  I had my lumpectomy on Jan 17th and 9 lymphnodes removed,  Thankfully, all were clear as was the margins.  My skin is starting to look like it's sunburned and it very blotchy, itchy  and red. I'm using aloe gel without alcohol and a body lotion that is mostly coconut oil for moiturizing the skin.  Any other suggestions to make this more comfortable.  Clothing, even though loose, is irritating too.  thanks for your help

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2014

    Thanks for your input on the indigestion/heartburn/acid reflux, Jm.  I asked both the nurse and doctor separately yesterday at my discharge appointment and each one said that while it seems to be unusual (but perhaps some women do get it but don't associate it with rads?), it might be cause by the scatter of the radiation to the esophagus.  The doctor said that if it doesn't resolve in a couple of weeks, I should see another doctor.

    Kat, I was very uncomfortable for about two weeks in the sense that anything coming near my skin (especially nipple) was irritating.  I tried inventing a spacer using the formed cups from my athletic bra (that I cut out from the bands), but even that was irritating.  I used Aquaphor which seemed to create a buffer from fabric.  As soon as the whole breast radiation stopped I felt better, though, so there is relief ahead.

    Furfriend, you're almost done - it will be here before you know it.

    Mimi, I think that is such a good point about the anxiety - especially during the first half of treatments - causing anxiety and from that, fatigue.  When I think back to how worried I was about all of the SE's that I was aware might be coming, although I didn't realize it then, I WAS very anxious.  As the time went by and I was past the halfway point and doing well (except for the expected skin irritation), I could breathe and count my days and relax and sleep better!

    Red, comparing to the SE's of sunburn also make sense.  My chills started easing up as soon as the whole breast radiation ended, boosts began, and redness turned into tan.

    I just wanted to remind everyone to drink plenty of water - at least 64 oz. a day and a little more would be good, too.  I had trouble keeping track of this until I bought a 24 oz. bottle and now I just make sure I drink a full one in the morning, middle of the day and the evening.  Also, exercise really does help battle the fatigue.  I sometimes push myself to go to the gym program (associated with the cancer clinic) but feel so much better coming out and for the rest of the day. 

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2014

    Mayanne - my RO said that I would get some 'spill over' to the esophagus while they were doing the super clav region & I might have trouble swallowing. That's the same darn beam that goes right through & hits your back too.

    Chills & Fever - I finished rads a week ago on Wednesday 3/19.  Didn't get chills until yesterday - a week later.  Shaking in waves and can only stop by getting under an electric blanket w/2 long sleeve shirts, a sweater, a sweat shirt, etc. and the house heat turned up to 75.  Fever seems to be staying around 100.6 with aspirin.  I'm assuming this is rad SEs since I have had really bad sun burns like Red.  

    I'm 15 weeks PFC with the 2nd chemo.  My BMX & recon were in 2011 and the only surgery I had in 2013 was an ALND 6 months ago that supposedly missed the implant capsule.  So I'm discounting both of those.  I am still taking Herceptin infusions.  Maybe that?  But it was a week ago too.

    Any other thoughts?

  • Bec65
    Bec65 Member Posts: 312
    edited March 2014

    Thank you, everyone, for getting back to me about the purpose of the brass mesh bolus my RO uses for my treatments.  Once I started googling, I even learned that my RO is the author of a recent study that found brass mesh is a good bolus.  Whew!

    Thank you again for explaining it all to me.  I see her again on Monday when she'll decide when it comes off and I go commando for treatments.  I *think* it has something to do with how well my skin is holding up, but I'll confirm and post.

  • Mayanne
    Mayanne Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2014

    Minus Two,

    My discharge instructions say to call the RO nurse if I get fever over 100.  Have you spoken with yours?  Interesting about the fact that your RO mentioned the spill over ahead of time.  Sometimes I think they're afraid of the power of suggestion so hold back until we ask. I'm on first day free of treatment.  The nurse told me, as I'm sure yours did, too, that the radiation is still working so there could be redness peaking until 7 to 10 days later.  I hope you feel better soon!

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited March 2014

    Jim and Bec; I have a heavy gel like bolus.  They use it on me every other day.  10/33 for me.  So far, so,good.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited March 2014

    My bolus is also a heavy gel and as it feels cool, I love when they put it on my burning chest! I finish tomorrow and none too soon as I am very red and itchy.  Not that sore though.  I get chilled in the evening, but no temperature.  The nurse placed a pad on my chest today and it feels much better tonight.  Very little fatigue and have worked out each day throughout rads.  But when I sleep, man do I sleep!  I may miss that SE.  After finishing tomorrow, I am right back at work on Friday.  A day to get organized and then a weekend.  Wished all my work weeks looked like that :)   

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2014

    TB90 - I knew to call with a temp during chemo but didn't think the same applied to rads.  I guess i should call tomorrow since temp went over 102 tonight.  At least I finally got warm

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