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bhd1
bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

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  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited March 2014

    Finally got my pump.  After first one hour session my arm is very tired, is this normal?  They said to. Use it 3 times a day.  Do others use it that much?

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited March 2014

    I was told to only use my FlexiTouch once a day.  I do have to admit there have been a few times that I have used it twice in a day when I was 'a bad girl' and hadn't done all I should to keep under good control.  I have never done twice a day more than 2 days in a row amd that has only been a couple of times in several years.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited March 2014

    barb, check again with whoever ordered the pump for you. I really don't think three times a day would be good for you. Once a day is standard, or even every other day.

    As for the arm feeling tired, I don't think that's ever been my experience. You might want to ask about that as well.

    Be well!
    Binney

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited March 2014

    Binney brought up a good point.  My arm has never been 'tired' after a session.  Check and be sure that the program is set correctly for you and the size of your garments.   After I lost weight and got my new smaller garments, my machine had to be reprogramed for them.  It was real easy with them talking me through it over the phone.

    Call FlexiTouch and talk to them directly  They are very easy to talk to amd helpful.

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited March 2014

    Thanks but don't worry i will not be using the pump 3x a day

    .  My hand looks awesome.  I haven't seen my

     Metatarsals since the le began in August!

  • mcgis
    mcgis Member Posts: 291
    edited March 2014

    i was told no more than an hour per day. be sure to always do your exercises and drainage too because the pump can cause the proteins to stay in your arm and it will harden!!

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited March 2014

    Mcgis, really?  How did you find that out?  Now i. Am freeked

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited March 2014

    mcgis - I was told to only run my FlexiTouch for one cycle a day which is programed to run for an hour.  But was told that IF I was having issues, it was fine to run it twice a day for a day or 2.  Running it for less than hour, as mine is programed, would cut out a lot of the massage pattern which is designed to mimic hands on MLD.  I very seldom (if ever) do MLD myself - my FlexiTouch does a much better 'job' of MLD than I can do.  That's why I got it.  I've been using mine for over 3 yrs, basically exclusively, and have no issues with 'hardened' tissue in my arm.  It mechanically simulates MLD (at least as my CLET guy does it and taught me ) in that it starts with draining the nodes in the upper leg/lower body first then moves to the upper body over shoulder and down arm to clear nodes in the sections for the first 1/2 hour.  The next 1/2 hour, is a continual movement from the hand to leg over and over again.  So for it to 'work' - the entire program needs to be run, not just part of it.

    Not all different MLD machines are equal.  I only know what a 'living saver' my FlexiTouch is for me.


  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited March 2014

    bhs1 -  I'd like to hear where there is documentation on FlexiTouch causing arm to harden.  As I said I've used mine for more tham 3 years with no hardening.  Not from some 'random search' on 'Dr Google'.  My personal experience is mine - I will contine to do what keeps me active and controls my LE with itnjust being a bit of an 'inconvience'.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited March 2014

    Barb, don't freak! But it's always a good idea to clear the nodes in your neck and groin before using the Flexi. That allows the nodes to receive the fluid that the pump moves toward them. The Flexi reps are not allowed to tell you that because it's medical advice that should come from your doctor or therapist. Ask your therapist about it so you know you're doing everything you can to make it the as effective as possible.

    Was it your therapist who told you to use it so many times a day? I have pump garments for both right and left arms and my right leg, and I'm not even supposed to use more than one of them a day, so I have to rotate when I'm having a flare. 

    Are you finding it relaxing? Helpful for the LE? Keep us posted on your progress!

    Gentle hugs,
    Binney

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited March 2014

    thanks kicks and Binney.  I have lympha press 201 max.  It is great.  My arm looks better already!   The nurse who delivered it told me to use it. 2 to 3 times, but my let said once.  In am thrilled w it.

  • mcgis
    mcgis Member Posts: 291
    edited March 2014

    perhaps it's the pump and sleeve i have? i don't have the flexitouch.

    it was my clt who told me.

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited March 2014

    I am the first that my CLET Guy ever order an MLD machine for as he said 'they aren't worth the money'.  He did a lot of research and decided to order my FlexiTouch for me.

    Perhaps its me - my FlexiTouch is not some 'pump'  - it mechanically delivers Manual Lymphatic Drainage massage, very  close to what my LE Guy can do - better than I can do.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited March 2014

    mcgis, do you do a full self-mld every time you pump, or just clear nodes?

    It's true that some pumps are better than others for imitating a full MLD routine, but none of them clear neck nodes, nor do any of them reach the deeper node areas. So depending on our individual needs we may have to do more or less self-MLD to make the pump session effective.

    You're right about the protein potentially building up and causing fibrotic "rings" at the top of the sleeve area in certain kinds of pumps. The Flexi was designed to eliminate that problem, and the Biocompression pump followed suit with their design improvements. Definitely follow your LE therapist's instructions for whatever type of pump you're using.

    Be well!
    Binney

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited March 2014

    Mcgis what pump do you have?

  • mcgis
    mcgis Member Posts: 291
    edited March 2014

    imagei have this Bio Compression Pump. i do the manual drainage every morning and every night.

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited March 2014
  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited March 2014

    I use my FlexiTouch for the one hour program daily, usually in the early evening. Tried an am/pm routine a few times but did not seem to provide additional benefit. My delivery rep discussed manual node clearing prior to machine use. Even my fingers are reduced in size!  

  • mcgis
    mcgis Member Posts: 291
    edited March 2014

    i wonder how different the flexitouch is to mine? result wise.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited March 2014

    mcgis, how is it working for you? They've done a lot of improvements in recent years as new ideas about compression pumps have appeared, so they're a respected brand. It sounds like it's doing what you need, and that you're working with it to stay on top of the LE, and that's what matters.
    Binney

  • mcgis
    mcgis Member Posts: 291
    edited March 2014

    it's working. my hand isn't as small as the other one but my husband and I see a difference after I use it. my hand is worse than the arm. basically now i'm pretty much maintaining it. i'm having an extra pad added to the back of the hand of my night sleeve so hopefully will aid me more too.

  • sucansee
    sucansee Member Posts: 1
    edited March 2014

    Hi everyone: I'm new to forums. Was your FlexiTouch pump covered by medicare or other insurance?

  • mcgis
    mcgis Member Posts: 291
    edited March 2014

    Binney, i must have jinxed it because last night my pump didn't help at all. ugh. i went for a very slow walk (daughter was stopping every 10 steps to pick up rocks) yesterday and i had my glove and sleeve on all day but my hand just seemed to have problems. i thought for sure the pump last night would help but after using it i measured it to compare to before i did and there was no difference and again this morning there was no difference. can it be i'm just having a bad day? maybe too much salt?...?????

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited March 2014

    Mcgis' long slow walk sounds nice - while it is sunny here in the upper Midwest, the air temperature is still below freezing so my exercise is still mostly indoors. 

    When on a stroll, I will often keep my LE arm elevated by grabbing the top of the opposite shoulder or the middle of my collar in an effort to counteract gravity, even to the point of supporting the elbow with the "good" limb. Were you dangling your hand down at your side (or maybe carrying part of the rock collection)? Salt intake could also be a contributing factor but sometimes we just don't know what the trigger is & can't figure it out...

    Hi sucansee: my pump was preapproved last fall although I believe the manufacturer is waiting for the insurance company to pay.

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited March 2014

    Magis i think we all have good days and bad days for no apparent reason

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited April 2014

    For those w trunkal, breast, and arm le,  do you feel more pressure in the arm than in the chest  when using the pump?

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