Charleston Bound, part 2

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  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited February 2014

    Maggie - I so understand.  Stepping back, taking a break and getting on with life will make your decisions easier.

  • cascader
    cascader Member Posts: 599
    edited February 2014

    Maggie,  Thinking of you and totally understand . This is a long and difficult journey, you've had your share of challenges . May you find peace and happiness as you start a new chapter. Enjoy your summer!!

  • Ashira
    Ashira Member Posts: 161
    edited February 2014

    Maggie,

    It makes so much sense to take care of yourself by knowing when to pause. We have our whole life ahead, right? I am exhausted nearing the last phase of chemo and looking toward flap land. I can just imagine what a relief it will be to reach a place where I am comfortable enough to take a break. Congratulations to you for coming this far. May your moments of happiness increase in the coming weeks and know that you'll find clarity when  / if it's time to continue on. 

    Ashira

  • Tamiami
    Tamiami Member Posts: 396
    edited February 2014

    I'd like to get information/feedback from those of you that have had PAP flap surgeries.  I'm considering it after failed implants...I've already had them removed and will be doing something else for reconstruction in May/June.  My PS trained with Dr. Allen and still works in NYC with his team many times a year.  She has also trained with Dr. Becker on lymph node transplant, and I am hoping to have it done as well.

    If anyone's out there with experience, I'd really appreciate your knowledge.

    Tami

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited February 2014

    Tamiami,

    I know of two patients of Dr. Kline and Dr. Craigie who had PAP surgery with them.  They are Catie2013 and Bethcw.  If you PM them I'm sure they will be happy to tell you their experience.  Dr. Allen assisted them in some of their PAP surgeries if I understand correctly.

    I have had SGAP surgery with Dr. Kline, and also lymph node transfer.  He trained with Dr. Becker as well.  So far my LNT has been successful.  I had it in December 2012.  Nodes were taken from my left groin and transferred to my right axilla.  (I started my recon journey with direct implants that were one disaster after another with radiation damage and attempts at revision, and ended up with failed implant with extrusion, then had to be removed.  Then I fortunately found Dr. Kline and went for SGAP.)

    I'm sure you have read this article that is on Dr. Allen's web site about the PAP flap surgery.  It's fascinating to read and the patient's results are beautiful.  I almost wish I had had a PAP over SGAP.  The donor site scar looks minimal in comparison to DIEP and SGAP.

    http://www.diepflap.com/pdfs/profunda_artery_perforator_pap_flap_for_breast_reconstruction.pdf

    Best wishes with your reconstruction, recovery, and outcome!


  • Tamiami
    Tamiami Member Posts: 396
    edited February 2014

    Thanks PinkHeart!  So good to hear about your successful LNT surgery!  How long after surgery did you start to feel LE relief?  Was there any worry about LE from the donor site?  I'm so ready to be past this LE...this last flair caused the infection in my breast that caused me to lose my implants.  I can't tell you how good it feels to have nothing in there though!  I didn't realize how uncomfortable they were until they were out.  Do your breasts feel more comfortable with the flap than with the implants?

    Tami

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited February 2014

    Tamiami,

    The flaps feel a million times better.  For one, they are WARM!  I am still not 100% comfortable (and prob never will be) on right side because of the radiation damage not only from it cooking and hardening my skin, but also the failed bunched up alloderm sling adhered to my chest wall unfortunately in the same spot where one of the tumors was cut out from my IMF during mastectomy.  Dr. Kline worked for 4 hours on meticulously surgically removing fried alloderm and scar tissue, before he even started to do SGAP surgery,  so for Stage I flap recon I was in for 12 hours.  Also, I had severe axillary cording, and still do (also caused by lymph node removal).  Dr. Kline was able to work on cording to give me some relief and more ROM, but I still have low level pain everyday and still see my PT-CLT every week for that.

    Your doctor may have told you that you may get some relief from LE just from flap surgery alone.  Are you with Dr. Ahn?  My surgeon said they have never had a patient get LE at the donor site, and that no patient with LE got worse.  Dr. Kline only used groin for node donor site, not from the neck.  Also, he only does LNT surgery on breast cancer patients with upper extremity LE.  I referred a patient with congenital LE in her leg, and he referred her on to Dr. Massey in Chicago.

    I'm so sorry you have had a rough road, too, especially with the pain from infections and failed implants.  I had to have one surgically removed, and went for two months lopsided until I had my bilateral flap surgery.  When I met Dr. Kline, he asked if I wanted the other implant removed and I said "Yes, please get this boat anchor out of me!!!"  :)

  • Tamiami
    Tamiami Member Posts: 396
    edited February 2014

    Oh boy can I relate Pink Heart!  They gave me the option of just removing the implant from the infected breast, but I wanted them both out...just made more sense to me to deal with none rather than one.  The ID dr. thought it was the best decision too!  I'm so glad to hear that a flap is that much more comfortable.  Also glad to hear the promising info about the LNT.  My surgeon is local and trained with Dr. Allen in NYC for the flap techniques, and Dr. Becker in France for the LNT.  She is working with my insurance company to get approval for me to have my surgery in NYC with one of the Drs. there assisting her...she says a team approach is the best for a bilateral PAP.  If that doesn't work out, then she will do the surgery here by herself.  She travels with patients to NYC many times a year.

    Does your PT-CLT "crack" (for lack of a better word) the cords?  I only had one long one that was very tight and prominent in the arm pit.  My therapist did something that hurt and sounded like snapping or cracking, and it went away and never came back.  The LE on the other hand is around forever.  Did you notice a relief right away after transfer or did it take a while to gradually improve?

  • Ashira
    Ashira Member Posts: 161
    edited February 2014

    Have any of you underwent stage 1 alone?  It looks as if I may be losing my caregiver and am in need of logistical advice....just when t"my plans were coming together so nicely !

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited February 2014

    Ashira - get Stage 1 behind you, then worry about Stage 2.  You could wait a year or until you get another caregiver.  Things change and it is better not to get too far ahead in the logistics planning.  It will work out.

  • Ashira
    Ashira Member Posts: 161
    edited February 2014

    Hi Marty. I am speaking about stage 1. My girlfriend may not be able to accompany me after all, so I'm speaking to Gail about other discharge possibilities. It is my understanding that some women have gone through stage one without someone there for them 24/7. Thoughts?

  • Catie2013
    Catie2013 Member Posts: 1,023
    edited February 2014

    Ashira, my caregiver changed so many times from the beginning of my planning until my actual surgery. And my Caring Bridge posts related that fact and just in the Nick of time another volunteer appeared!  So goes the value of letting people know what you need and when you need it in order for them to step up to the plate.  Truly it's a godsend to the recipient but it is also to the caregiver in her own journey of  a woman - we nurture!

    As far as being there alone, not sure since I didn't have a DIEP, don't know how you would manage the hour by hour little things.  With a SGAP and a PAP I needed someone there for little things you'd never think of before hand.  One of which was lifting, bending, making me something to eat.  Things we take for granted that we can do by ourselves.  Also knowing someone is there for you if you just plain need them.

    Praying that you find a replacement caregiver - I actually put it into The Lord's hands and it all worked out.

    Big hugs

    Cathie

  • Catie2013
    Catie2013 Member Posts: 1,023
    edited February 2014

    Ashira, just checked again to make sure I was correct in your wanting to be private and not branded in your small community.  Truly I thought people would look at me funny after knowing what I've gone through but they just haven't .  My dx was 2 years ago tomorrow - and I feel light years away from that dx most days.  Where I used to be on this site multiple times a day, I now check back inonly occasionaly, 

    Letting people know you need help in a way that let's them decide to help you on their own is such a gift.  I never had to just ask anyone to help - they just read my posts and volunteered just when I needed them the most.  

    Big hugs of friendship and hope

    Cathie 

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited February 2014

    Ashira, I am so sorry.  I don't think doing it alone is the best of ideas.  You won't be driving and will need some help/support for a few days for meals, etc.  That said, there are several services that can provide "sitters" on a daily basis who can provide whatever is needed.  You really don't need someone 24/7, but could arrange for someone to come for a few hours morning and evening - they usually have a 4 hour minimum.  I am sure that your doc's office has names of services like Visiting Angels, Home Instead, etc.

  • Ashira
    Ashira Member Posts: 161
    edited February 2014

    Thank you so much for your thoughts. I'm keeping an open mind and feel confident that it will work out.  Still lots of time and I'm exploring as many options as I can.  

  • 5andcounting
    5andcounting Member Posts: 232
    edited February 2014

    in Charleston and having surgery today for stage 3. Hoping it's the last. Thanks to you kind ladies for your support and encouragement. 

  • cascader
    cascader Member Posts: 599
    edited February 2014

    CRS319, Thinking of you and hoping that this is the final stage for you. Get lots of rest.

    Ashira, I just sent you a PM.

  • Ashira
    Ashira Member Posts: 161
    edited March 2014

    CRS, thinking of you today and wishing  for you exactly the result you desire!

  • 5andcounting
    5andcounting Member Posts: 232
    edited March 2014

    Thanks ladies:)

    It went better than I hoped for. I have the torso of a 25 yr old !

    Now if I can exercise enough to bring my arms and legs to match!

    Dr  Kline and staff were wonderful as usual and the nurses were incredibly attentive. Well worth all the travel to see him!!!!!

  • montrial
    montrial Member Posts: 48
    edited March 2014

    crs319 -- Best wishes for an uneventful recovery from your Stage 3.  Sounds like your Stage 3 might have been more like the normal Stage 2 -- is that right?  Different stages can mean different things for different people.  I am scheduled for Stage 2 March 21st with Dr. Craigie, at which time he will be lifting the natural breast and adjusting the DIEP reconstructed breast.  My trunk (abdominal area) is still  somewhat puffy, so he is planning to lyposuction some of that.  I am hoping to be able to return to work with only the week off following surgery.  Am I being too optimistic?  I am hoping my Stage 3 will just be nipple and tattooing.  I noticed you are in Louisville, KY.  I am not far away in Knoxville, TN.  I will visit this site for updates on your recovery.  Sending prayers and hugs your way.  Montrial

  • 5andcounting
    5andcounting Member Posts: 232
    edited March 2014

    Thanks Montrial. 

    You hit the  nail on the head-everyone is different.  Even Dr  Kline and Dr. Craigie. 

    My stage 2 was revision of the abdominal scar, removing some scar tissue from the left breast and some reshaping. He also did nipples at stage 2. 

    For me, stage 3 was lots of lipo to fill in the breasts to make fuller. He corrected the dog ears as well.  That was yesterday and today I rode 4 hours in a car and feel pretty good

    I'm am super happy with this surgery. I don't think I will need anymore but I adore Dr. Kline so I may come visit. 

    Best of luck with your surgeries. Will keep you in my prayers with all the other Charleston Flappers!:)

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited March 2014

    crs319,

    Wishing the best for your recovery and results. Hope it is your last surgery, too!  

    Is this one fat grafting only?

    Let us know how you are doing and take care. 

  • Ashira
    Ashira Member Posts: 161
    edited March 2014

    CRS, that's wonderful news. You must be so relieved to feel pleased with your final result. I'm certain that you deserve it. Rest well and heal peacefully. 

    Ashira

  • 5andcounting
    5andcounting Member Posts: 232
    edited March 2014

    Pink heart ,  you were a big reason I picked Dr Kline. You were so kind with letting me call and pick your brain.  Thank you!!!!!!  Dr  K grafted inner thighs and "muffintop" repaired dog ears and in general just finished me off woo hoo!!!!

    Ashira, thank you and I hope all goes well with you. I'm excited for you because even though I'm sore and tired- the result is great!

    Will be for you too!!!!

  • Ashira
    Ashira Member Posts: 161
    edited March 2014

    Wonderful news all the way around CRS!  To begin to put this chapter behind you, how wonderful that must be.  I appreciate your encouragement and have just one chemo round left before starting my countdown and attempting to get this tired body of mine back into something that approximates reasonable cardio shape :-)

    Be well!

  • brca35
    brca35 Member Posts: 68
    edited March 2014

    For those of you who went with Craigie/Kline, did your caregiver stay with you at the hospital? My husband was planning to stay in my room with me. Is it roomy? Is their a place for him to sleep? Would love details about the hospital/ room. Thanks!!

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited March 2014

    Although went with other docs, I know the hospital as my mother was there before she died.  It is lovely.  Only 4 years old.  Bright and sunny.  Plenty of room for your DH to stay with you.  It is very centrally located in Mount Pleasant so it will be easy for him to go out to get food if he wishes.

  • cascader
    cascader Member Posts: 599
    edited March 2014

    brca35, my husband stayed with me the first night. I wanted him there in case he needed to go for help. It wasn't really necessary because the nurses check on you every hour for the first 24 hrs. He was a trooper about it but really did not get any sleep and slept at hotel the remainder of the time. Rooms are nice and you have private bathroom.  If I remember correctly there is a big upholstered chair that turns into a bed. 

  • philomene
    philomene Member Posts: 45
    edited March 2014

    I have a question for you Charleston veterans: Dr Kline said they monitor the flap after surgery by keeping a piece of belly skin on it to check for color and that this skin would be removed later. Where on the new breast is this belly skin? How big is it? I'm concerned that it will lead to more scarring.

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited March 2014

    Phil,

    I don't recall having this done, but I had SGAP so it would have been butt skin. :)

    Also he may be talking about the skin island/paddle itself?  Mine had to stay because I needed it due to rads damage and had to cut away my original breast skin. I would email Dr Kline as he is always happy to answer questions in emails too

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