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  • L2girl
    L2girl Member Posts: 113
    edited February 2014

    Thank you for the encouragement, kruise. Glad to hear you are starting to feel better, too.

  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited February 2014

    Hello Ladies,

    Glad to see everyone is still supporting and helping each other. This disease can take a toll on you. I just took my first Tamoxinfen, I feel like something about to happen any moment after taking it. But for the next five years I hope it be smooth sailing. Seen my MO yesterday, she was amaze how my breast healed just finishing up rads. My coloring is coming back quick, but I do notice the change in size of my boobie. Looks like padded bras it will always be. Luckily i haven't had no problems with wearing my regular bras including the wire ones. I guess I'm just lucky. Now my issue is the lympherdema, my hand/arm is swelling, I just called today to do some physical therapy, I hope this do help.

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited March 2014

    Hello Radiant Ones

    I see this thread hasn't been active for a while.

    Hopefully some of you still have it marked and will see my posting.

    I finished rads December 8th and got better and better until for a week or so I felt good - then from the beginning of February I have had increasing pain in my breast and along the rads tan mark on the side of my body.

    It got bad enough for me to go to the RO and he says he thinks its inflammation and has prescribed ibuphrofin twice a day for 2 weeks.

    The pain is generally all over the breast, not in one spot.  It feels swollen and heavy.  My arm is also tightening up and I have to keep doing stretches every 2 hours to keep full range of motion.

    I was wondering if anyone else is having rads problems or issues 3 months after finishing!

    Any helpful suggestions?

    When fibrosis of the breast occurs does it hurt?

  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited March 2014


    Good Morning Ladies,

    Have anyone been sized for a silicone partial fitter? I'm going tomorrow due to change of breast size, and no fullness in the cleavage area that surgery was done at when I wear my bras. But my RO told me to wait a few months cause my size may change, I'm thinking  how much of a change will it change to? I don't want the summer to come and im still walking around uneven. So have anyone experience breast size change a few times after surgery?

  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited March 2014

    I too finished rads in December, and I am still having a lot of swelling and tenderness.

  • LanaM
    LanaM Member Posts: 142
    edited March 2014

    bounce sorry for your issues! I finished rads 1/31 and I still have tenderness and my bra will irritate it somewhat. I'm also thinking I may be starting to get some lymphodema. 

  • wyo
    wyo Member Posts: 541
    edited March 2014

    Hey Bounce- long time no see

    I finished on Nov 27th and have to agree- if I don't go to yoga or do exercises at least 2-3 x/week I am really getting tight in my shoulder and my pectoral muscles.  As soon as I exercise it feels 100x better so I have to do it.  I missed my f/u appt with RO and have to re-schedule it

    As far as size- I would wait at least a few months- when I finished day before thanksgiving and all into the holidays I was really noticing size disparity but in the last 30-45 days things seem to be settling out a bit and its not so noticeable.  I was fitted at Nordstrom and got something fantastic called Bravo push up pads (triangle not full coverage)- they are meant to put in a bathing suit or other clothing to "push up" in my case they are perfect because the padding is right down where my tissue was removed- its amazing in a regular bra looks exactly the same and they were like $12

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited March 2014

    Hi Bounce!  So sorry you are having problems.  I have had the same issue, however not as much on the boob, but under the boob and on my side up to the underarm.  What I am using successfully is Blue-Emu super strength.  It has emu oil, aloe, msm and glucosamine.  I use it in the radiated area instead of body lotion and it has been so helpful to me.  I finished radiation October so I definitely believe that zingers, skin discomfort and deep aches can definitely occur way after radiation is over.   This cream is for use in sore muscles, joints, bites, burns and rashes and is deep penetrating.

    www.blue-emu.com

    Hope you get relief and can start radiating good health again.

    Love, MsP

  • FierceBluebird
    FierceBluebird Member Posts: 758
    edited March 2014

    bounce sorry you are having problems. Keep up with the docs and keep us posted. I had finished treatment in december, got cleared for more reconstruction in Januay, and just had a tumor removed from my brain that they missed or grew fast. I'm ok. But never again will I take, "don't worry" when you have a complaint. 

    I have lots of sore swollen tissue from radiation, but that hasn't changed much. excercise and lotions help.

    Will try to post more later. So tired and sore. Thanks or the emu oil suggestion Ms. P

    love to you all

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited March 2014

    Hi Ladies

    Thanks so much for your answers - it really helped me knowing this was not something out of the blue!

    My RO doesn't say much and it was hard for me to gather if this was something usual or unusual.

    After taking ibuprophen 400mg twice a day for a week I realized there was a lot less pain and discomfort - only then did I realize how sore things had become.

    I am hoping that when I stop taking the ibuprophen at the end of the week the pain stays away.

    Its been a bit of a set back for me and confused me a bit.  There I was finished treatment and done with cancer but in more pain than ever before and clearly caused by the radiation!  Quite honestly I don't quite know what to tell people.

    Anyway - time to perk up again.

    Bluebird144 - so sorry to hear you needed more surgery! As soon as you feel up to it please let us know what happened and how you are doing.

    Sending hugs to all.

  • L2girl
    L2girl Member Posts: 113
    edited March 2014

    Bounce, so glad to see you again.

    I posted about this on the 2014 tamoxifen board, but it seems relevant to what you're going through. 

    I have been having a lot of pain and tenderness and even a lump in the right side of the right breast for the past couple months. There are multiple painful areas in that breast, not just the area around the lump. They are not zingers, just constantly painful. When I saw my MO the other week, he just felt it and said it is "inflamed glandular tissue" caused by radiation and there was nothing to do for it.  He said I could try ice if I wanted, but best to leave it alone, don't massage it or anything. How inflamed glandular tissue could cause a small hard lump I don't know.

     I feel sort of miffed that no one said we could get inflamed tissue months after rads. Like you, I am wondering if this means I will have fibrocystic changes to my breasts.  

    This past week the left side has been starting to feel pain in the same area, like a mirror image of the right breast. I finished rads on that side 4 weeks after the right, so it would make sense it is at about the same point in the healing process. At first I was in a very negative thought spiral about it, thinking, "what if it will never heal, or what if the pain will never go away, what if my breast tissue is breaking down?" But then I decided to STOP and turn that thought around and think "what if the pain does go away? What if the tissue does heal and regenerate?" Now I am feeling stronger and healthier and happier and thinking "Of course it will heal!" and  "I am strong and healthy," and "I am a fast healer", and "I am resilient." Even if it takes months, or even years, I believe it will get better. Anyway, glad to know I am not alone in this.

    Bluebird, so sorry to hear about your brain tumor. Was it mets? Or was this unrelated to your BC?

    Mrs p, wyo, and everyone else, so glad to hear from you all again!

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited March 2014

    L2girl - sorry you too are having post rads SE's.

    I don't mind if my radiated boob getting smaller - as its always been larger than the other and smaller would be better - however - its not getting smaller but is swollen and sore! Not exactly what the RO mentioned at the beginning of treatment.

    Part of my problem with this is that every movement I make uses my right arm - cooking, cleaning, laundry, getting on and off the bus even walking sets up a certain amount of movement which hurts.  I can't imagine how I would cope if both sides hurt!  Well done for staying strong.

    I can scale things back and take it easy for a while - but not forever.

    It is also difficult to know what to do or not do - exercise - how much? Massage - some say yes some say no!  Creams - what is OK to use on radiation induced inflammation?  What is OK to use with Tamoxifen?

    Unfortunately emu-oil is a no no for me as I don't want to use any animal products (thanks for the idea though MsP - I will be looking into an alternative this week and sending an e-mail to the RO asking if I can use it).

    I guess you are right - its time to stop the downward spiral of what ifs, dust off the big girl panties and hope for the best.

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited March 2014

    Bounce, let me know what you find as an alternative.  I am such a pollitically incorrect individual.   All I can say is poo, poo, poo for my rad buddies who are having problems.  Bluebird, wtf!!!!

    I have had my first mammo since active treatment ended and I am doing really well.  I am trying to figure out the best way to retire from my job. It's time to get off the gerbil wheel.  I want to radiate in a whole different way, 

    MsP

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited March 2014

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  • wyo
    wyo Member Posts: 541
    edited March 2014

    good to see the old group back together but not so good to hear the issues )-:

    Hope you feel better and can post soon Bluebird- you are in our thoughts

  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited March 2014

    Hi Everyone,

    Have anyone notice thinning of eyebrows while on tamoxinfin? I read that sometimes hormonal changes can cause thinning, and after hormones are stabilized the eyebrows grow back. I notice thinning in mines, and I'm getting a little concern. So wanted to know have anyone else experience this.

  • wyo
    wyo Member Posts: 541
    edited March 2014

    yes to the thinning eyebrows- they are just whispy little things- look terrible but trying to keep them shaped.  I am using something from Benefit called "Got Brow" to try and give them some substance

  • sloyd66
    sloyd66 Member Posts: 202
    edited March 2014

    wyo,

    ok now i'm upset! because have always had perfect eyebrow, got away from chemo, and i'm still going to loose them?! what is Got Brow?

  • denilynne
    denilynne Member Posts: 102
    edited March 2014

    Hi girls, I am a little worried. I am almost 4 months out from rads. I had a lumpectomy & rads...no chemo. The nipple on my radiated breast is twice as big as my other nipple. It is red and there is a red rim around the base of it. No discharge or crustiness but there is some flaking. THe areole looks swollen, kind of looks like orange peel, not real bad though. It doesn't hurt but my nipple is hyper sensitive. Any thoughts?

  • L2girl
    L2girl Member Posts: 113
    edited March 2014

    hi, Dennilynne, 

    I don't know if I can really help, but do you have any appts. coming up in the near future? If not, I would probably call your RO to ask him to look at it, or your MO. I just remember hearing somewhere that orange peel skin should be checked out.

    I think it is so weird that several if us are getting effects months after finishing rads, myself included. Apparently mine is inflamed glandular tissue from rads.

    Good luck to you, and try not to worry. Easier said than done, I know. But I think you should get it checked out, and hopefully that will put your mind at ease. Let us know what you find out.

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited March 2014

    L2girl - I am guessing from your previous post as well that you have been back to your RO.

    What does he suggest you do about the inflamed glandular tissue?

    (My RO said to take 2 weeks of anti inflammatory medication which I did and it helped somewhat but I still have discomfort bordering on pain and find it very difficult to wear a bra.)

    MsP - I haven't tried any other creams yet - I will let you know if I do.  Retirement sounds like it would make everything feel better.

    Denilynne - make a doctor's appointment ASAP.  Even though its probably a SE from rads you don't need the strain of constantly worrying. Somethings the doc just has to see and decide on.  This is one of them.  Let us know how you are.

    Bluebird144 - I hope you are feeling better each day and will write to us again soon.

    wyo - always a pleasure to hear from you.

  • L2girl
    L2girl Member Posts: 113
    edited March 2014

    Bounce, 

    So glad you asked, because I have been wanting to talk about this. 

    No, I have not gone back to my RO since rads ended. Funny you should ask, because I have been trying to decide whether to just call and ask him on the phone, or make an appointment to come in, or what. But I feel kind of awkward because first of all, after rads was finished he said that was it, I was done, and he doesn't make any follow up appts. But he did say if I ever had a question I could call. (He is very nice.) So I don't know what I'm so afraid of, and why I keep putting it off.

    But I also have this weird conflict I am wrestling with: I went to my MO for my 3 month follow up a few weeks ago, and he was the one who told me it was inflamed glandular tissue from rads. Technically my MO is now my main doctor, so would he think it was weird if I went to my RO? Or might he think I didn't trust his answer and went elsewhere? I know that probably seems so silly, but I had a weird situation back when the BS finished his part of the care, and "handed me off" to the MO to take over. In the transition between I called my BS to ask about something, and he seemed very miffed and said that it was between the MO and me. I felt very awkward, like I had overstepped some imaginary line because I didn't understand the rules of who was handling my care, or that I had somehow pitted the two against each other. I guess I am afraid of something like that happening again.

    Anyway, I am making myself crazy worrying about it all.  Also, I have been applying ice nightly, and the pain seems to be less, but the lump is still there. What would you do?

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited March 2014

    L2girl - so funny - I agonized for a month trying to decide who to go to because I too didn't have any follow up booked with the RO.

    I don't like my MO so will avoid her at all costs!

    I like the BS but I decided she will tell me its not a surgery issue.

    I went to my regular family doctor who was very sympathetic but I could tell he really didn't know what to suggest.

    Eventually I decided the RO broke me - he should know how to fix me.

    I made an appointment to see the RO and he was fine with that - he just isn't a very chatty sort.

    So my advice is stop agonizing and book for the RO.

    I don't know why it is so hard for some of us to "bother" the doctors.  After all without us they would be out of work!

    Glad the ice is helping.  How long do you keep it on for?

    Bounce

  • McKatherine
    McKatherine Member Posts: 300
    edited March 2014

    First of all --- hugs all around!  We're supposed to be past the hard part . . . it stinks that so many people are still having problems.

    I'm surprised so many of you are saying that your ROs don't do follow-up appointments.   My RO wanted to see me about 4 weeks post rads, and now I don't see her again until the Fall, but she said if ANYTHING was bothering me or didn't seem right to call!

    I started having what I guess is phantom itchiness last night.  Hoping it doesn't drive me crazy because you can't scratch skin that doesn't feel anything . . . well, you can, but it doesn't do any good.  :)

    About the eyebrows - yes!  Not sure if it was a tamoxifen thing or just latent loss after chemo but my brows both looked mangy around Thanksgiving.  I'm not a makeup kind of person, but I finally broke down in January and bought a brow pencil.  It's amazing how much more normal I look with eyebrows that don't look like they have streaks shaved in them.   ;)

    Hang in there all you radiant ones!

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited March 2014

    Hi Ladies

    I just wanted to report back and thank you all for your input.

    L2girl - how are you doing?

    After using the ibuprophen for 2 weeks as recommended by RO I did feel an improvement in my breast though it is still a bit bothersome on the body and under the boob.

    I have been very tired lately and cry very easily.

    I haven't been able to decide if I am depressed in general or suffering from radiation and/or Tamoxifen side effects.

    I had a regular appointment with my BS today and she was very happy with the state of my booby.

    She says all the things I describe are natural after surgery and radiation and don't mean anything bad is happening.

    She says Tamoxifen can mess with emotions and I should give it a few months to settle down and then speak to my MO.

    I told the BS that my booby feels best in a tank top with a built in bra of sorts which basically just squashes me flat and prevents excessive wobbling - but no real support!

    She said that its fine to wear it.

    She did suggest that I use Calendula oil on my breast to keep the skin nourished.  I was happy to tell her that is exactly what I have been using and can highly recommend it to anyone - I thinks its really worth trying especially if you have itchiness.  I have been using Waleda Calendula Oil but I am sure any type with no chemicals will be good.

    Just to amuse you all I will add that in an effort to feel better I did try cabbage leaves when my booby was very sore.

    I packed a few big leaves around my booby one day when the boss was out the office all day.  I think it did help a bit but it just might have been the extra compression that helped.

    It is most amusing wearing cabbage leaves in your bra.

    I have found the postings on this website to be an absolute life line in the past 2 months -  Just as much if not more than when I was going through surgery and rads - and I thank you all.

    The posts on lymphedema of the breast have been very helpful to me.

    Getting some reassurance from the BS was great and I am going to try and get on with life in general again.

    Love and hugs

    Bounce -ing back.

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited March 2014

    Bounce-ing back (love that closing)

        So glad to get an update and see that you have some progress.  I laughed at the cabbage leaves.  If I suggested such a therapy, my husband would have volunteered to walk behind me all day with his hands inside my bra.  If compression is what was needed, he would be happy to provide that physical therapy.  

        But seriously, he did ask me yesterday when I was going to start wearing sexy bras again.  I looked at him and asked...Huh?, you don't like these white, non-desript, comfortable, look like an old grandma bras??  So, I put one of my old bras on today and it isn't bad.  Feels funny to have my boobs so much higher on my chest, though. 

        I am having some itching on my breast skin so will try the calendula cream.   Thanks for the tip.  I have been using Lubriderm but I think I need somthing different.

        I have my RO follow up this week.  My BS and MO follow ups went well so I am not expecting anything crazy.  My follow up schedule with the MO is every 3 months, BS is every 6 months with alternating mammo/MRI....so I wonder what the RO follow up is.  Probably a flash of the boob and a couple of pokes??? I wouldn't mind having an RO look at my films...between the RO and BS, I don't think you can get better eyes on your boobs

        My DH and I are in the midst of planning my retirement and moving closer to our family.  I am so very happy about this prospect that I don't pay a lot of attention to the stiffness, joint and muscle pain I am having with the Femara.  Exercise seems to take care of it very well and I have been sleeping a lot better.

        Bounce, I wonder if your fatigue and emotional fragility could be the result of poor sleep?  As if breast cancer and its treatment side effects aren't enough to make one tired and emotional.   

        My best wishes to all the radiant ladies for good health and happiness.  We have been through a lot together.  There is great power in the strength and experiences of others.

    Lovingly, MsP

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited March 2014

    Hello MsP!

    Always a pleasure to hear from you.

    Indeed I am not sleeping well.  Since starting Tamoxifen I wake up twice at night to go to the bathroom and also because I am overheating.

    Add to that a cat who shows no affection to humans during the day but insists on sleeping on me at night!

    I have noticed that I wake up tired.

    Some afternoons I come home from work and sleep for an hour and then I feel much better and can get on with chores.  But it doesn't always work out that way.

    I am going to learn to embrace fatigue and not fight it!

    I think the "emotional fragility" - what a wonderful description - is a mixture of Tamoxifen messing with my hormones, lack of good sleep and I have been worried that the rads had caused some real damage!  Knowing that it is quite common and normal has made me feel better (that and a lot of ibuprophen).

    I am using Calendula Oil  - goes on really easily - good luck with it.

    I tried one of my old under wire bras  few weeks ago and I thought the damn thing was trying to kill me!

    It will be interesting to hear what the RO is checking for.  My RO really does poke boobies.  I must remember to tell him to be gentle if I ever see him again.

    I am glad to hear you sounding so well and cheerful.  You have helped a great many people.

    I hope that retirement comes speedily and is fun.

    Looking forward to hearing from you and all the other radiant ladies.

    Much love.

  • canuck46
    canuck46 Member Posts: 93
    edited March 2014

    So good to hear from the fully radiant ladies and to know you are all moving on to a cancer-free life!  I have been enjoying the beautiful sunshine and the beach for the last two months and it has given me the much needed vacation from BC treatments that I needed and I am very grateful to be able to enjoy this time.  I did start Femara and am dealing with some of those side effects but I can handle it!  It is always so good to hear from all the wonderful people who shared their journey, advice, encouragement and most importantly their humor with me.  This site is the best!  Continued good health.


  • Rainyday2013
    Rainyday2013 Member Posts: 20
    edited April 2014

    Hello all...Just checking in to see if anyone is still posting here. I see some familiar names and it does my heart good. It all seems so long ago since I finished, but it is only going on 4 months. I am doing well, back into my regular bras, but there is a markable difference in apperance and size . I have my 3 months folllow up with my MO on April 28. Blood work this time and exam.  I have finished  3 months of anastrozole and have had no noticable side effects so far. I have some nagging fear of reoccurrence at times and it hits me "You had cancer!!" Very unsetting if I don't move away from that thought.

    I wish everyone a continued full  recovery and the best life after everything that has come down on all of us. Out of nowhere, a lighting strike, that changed us and our famililies forever/

  • McKatherine
    McKatherine Member Posts: 300
    edited April 2014

    I guess the one plus of tissue expanders is that no bra is required.   I quit wearing them the last week of rads - once my right side was re-expanded so I wouldn't be lopsided.  ;)

    And -it was so comfortable I never put one back on until a few weeks ago.   I hurt so much that night I decided to just leave them in my drawer until after my exchange surgery.   

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