Starting Chemo January 6, 2014

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  • paloverde
    paloverde Member Posts: 179
    edited February 2014

    Yes, I will have my expanders for at least 15 months, same reason.  Rads + 9-month waiting period before exchange. 

  • Lisaj514
    Lisaj514 Member Posts: 719
    edited February 2014

    Katiegrey, I have my last AC tomorrow 2/24  and also sch for taxol dose dense, 4 cycles to start next treatment day in 3/10. Also concerned about the neuropathy on taxol and heard that week,y sessions of lower dose were better for this but that extends treatment by 4 weeks. Also want toget it over with sooner. 

    Does any one know if you can switch to weekly taxol after starting dose dense, I assume you can if SE are bad. Suggestions on managing SE on taxol. Glutamine I heard helps and I ordered some online

    How long for normal taste buds to return? EVERYTHING tastes weird. 

  • belleb
    belleb Member Posts: 170
    edited February 2014

    Back from A/C #3. I think we settled today on 12 weekly doses of the Taxol. My MO tells me that most people are able to live their lives pretty normally on this schedule without the highs and lows that the dose dense comes with. Since I have two young kids, I think this is probably the best option for me. I am pretty bummed about the extra four weeks, but happy about no Neulasta!

  • megomendy
    megomendy Member Posts: 141
    edited February 2014

    Belleb, So no nuelasta on taxol, great! I start my chemo March 7th, and will be doing AC and T just like you. I also opted for 12 weeks, as the side effects are said to be more manageable.  Just noticed as I read your post that we are both triple negative, stage IIa.

  • belleb
    belleb Member Posts: 170
    edited February 2014

    Oh wow, Meg - we do have the same stats from your Dec diagnosis! After chemo I need to decide whether to do 6 weeks of radiation or a mastectomy. I have been leaning towards a bilateral mastectomy since the minute I was diagnosed, and have not found much evidence to compel me to change my mind. I'm also fairly certain I do not want to reconstruct. So, they tell me I get a 3 weeks break or so after chemo for my body to get strong and then I can have my surgery. Are you going to be doing radiation or ??

  • tekwriter
    tekwriter Member Posts: 216
    edited February 2014

    I think the break is a joke.  It will be spent seeing surgeons and doin pre-ops and running more tests.  Just my jaded opinion at this point.

  • Sam2U
    Sam2U Member Posts: 233
    edited February 2014

    tek--I had surgery first, then chemo, but I can tell you that the 4-week "break" the other way was filled with just that, more and more appts, tests, etc.-not necessarily jaded, just my reality.  Hopefully your break will be just that.

    My 3rd AC was brutal on my white counts--down to 0.3, and of course I picked up an ear infection, but so far able to deal with it at home--thank goodness!  Starting to rebound into feeling like a human just in time to do it again on Monday, but woohoo it will be #4 for the red stuff then on to 12 weeks of Taxol.

    My biggest decision that still looms is radiation or not.  I had a unilateral mastectomy with no reconstruction at the time, but with positive nodes, the mo and so are both recommending rads.  I have to wrap my head around radiating the chest wall over my heart and the risks vs. the benefits.  Then there is the vanity thing of wanting some type of reconstruction so I am even again.  I don't even know where to begin to research how to calculate the how radiation will increase your life expectancy if you have a mastectomy?!?  everything I find is on rads after a lumpectomy.  Any suggestions?

    Hoping everyone is having a se free week.

  • stephaniegee
    stephaniegee Member Posts: 81
    edited February 2014

    hi everyone,

    I am getting a port tomorrow and I'm just wondering if there is anything I should know? How is the procedure?

    I didn't want one but my veins are too small, I already have two busted veins from my treatments.

  • Sam2U
    Sam2U Member Posts: 233
    edited February 2014

    I can only speak from my personal experience of the port placement, but here goes.  

    There is thread that details the process:  http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/69/topic/...

    and the description was pretty close to what I happened for me.  I was not put to sleep and felt little to no pain during the procedure other than the numbing shots.  What I was not prepared for was the pain in my neck and chest for the 24-48 hours after the procedure.  It was very sore and I wish that I had asked about what OTC painkillers I could take and start them asap after the procedure.  The pain was controllable with Tylenol, but I didn't know I could take it until after the pain started.  

    I will also say that, imo,  the port has made the chemo easier, my veins were shot and weekly/bi-weekly punctures were not going to be easy.  However, I feel the port daily, while it's not uncomfortable, I do know that it is there.

  • megomendy
    megomendy Member Posts: 141
    edited February 2014

    belleb,  I'm going to do the radiation.  I always thought if I got breast cancer, I'd get a mastectomy, but my BS and second opinion BS both encouraged me to just go with the lumpectomy. And once it actually happened, I was reluctant to do the mastectomy. Saying a prayer it doesnt come back. Even though I am triple negative, which is an aggressive cancer, lumpectomy is still an option.

  • belleb
    belleb Member Posts: 170
    edited February 2014

    Stephanie - I had my port placed at the same time as my second lumpectomy, so I was completely out during the procedure. I will say it was uncomfortable for the first 5 days or so. Not painful, I was just very aware that there was something implanted in my chest. It took my a while to be able to turn my head completely, even swallowing felt a little funny - and now that I read Sam's description, I'm reminded that I had some chest discomfort too. Day 5+ though everything was on its way back to normal, and now, 6 weeks out, I don't even think about it being there. I am SO glad to have it though when I see the other patients in the chemo room with their IVs and picc lines. With the magic of EMLA cream, I feel not even an iota of sensation when the needle goes in and it's a quick poke, no searching for veins, etc.... 

    Meg - my BS also had me leaning towards rads after my lumpectomy, but I just can't fathom not doing everything I can to keep this beast from coming back. My own MO told me yesterday that most oncologists would avoid radiation if they could and that she would likely do the same thing as I am thinking (bilateral mast.). So, having conflicting opinions from two doctors who you really respect makes things even more difficult! I know that the general consensus these days is that lumpectomy w/rads and mastectomy have the same survival rates, but I'm having a harder time finding data on RECURRENCE rates. Anyone have any good studies to share on that info?

  • megomendy
    megomendy Member Posts: 141
    edited February 2014

    Belleb, FYI there is a triple negative forum on this website. Lots of info there. Also, there is a blog called Positives about Negative, which is very interesting.

  • Sam2U
    Sam2U Member Posts: 233
    edited February 2014

    belleb--here are a few sites I found in my search to determine rads or no rads:  

    http://www.texasoncology.com/types-of-cancer/brea...

    http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/92/14/1143....  

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.27...

    http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/band107/b10...

    here's a Komen article that has a table showing several studies on overall survival(some of these studies included info on local recurrence rates if you do more in depth research to find the actual study):

    http://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/Table37Mastectom...

    These studies don't apply in my situation as I am faced with rads after mastectomy, but maybe they can be helpful to you.  Please know that I am not expert, just sharing some of my findings using "Dr. Google" :)  .

     

  • Susan0522
    Susan0522 Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2014

    I. Had my port in Monday and no problem.  Twilight anesthesia so in and out of the hospital In about 3.5 hours. Currently sitting in the infusion chair for my first TC.   1 almost down and 5 to go.  Take care ladies and thanks for sharing all your experiences with us.

  • belleb
    belleb Member Posts: 170
    edited February 2014

    Thanks Sam! I'm going to check those links out.

  • stephaniegee
    stephaniegee Member Posts: 81
    edited February 2014

    Got the port today, wasn't too bad. Kinda scary since it was just local freezing but OK in the end. A little sore and a headache now but I think that's normal?

    Do the nurse's usually put the numbing stuff before accessing it or is it something I need to get?

    Thanks for the feedback!

  • tekwriter
    tekwriter Member Posts: 216
    edited February 2014

    you can get the prescription for the numbing.  It doesn't hurt too bad if the nurse is good though.

  • CarpeVinum
    CarpeVinum Member Posts: 116
    edited February 2014

    I was given a tube of Lidocaine/Prilocaine (EMLA) to be applied at least 45 min before being accessed. For me, it DOES hurt if it's not numb, but my port is a little *tipped* and they have to manipulate it a bit before getting the needle in correctly. I would get the cream :)


  • belleb
    belleb Member Posts: 170
    edited February 2014

    I also highly recommend the Emla cream...I don't feel a thing when they access my port. 

  • tekwriter
    tekwriter Member Posts: 216
    edited February 2014

    Can you give me some tips for the Emla.  I got it but it had worn off by the time I got to chemo.  One of the nurses is just a mild sting when she accesses the others hurt.

  • CarpeVinum
    CarpeVinum Member Posts: 116
    edited February 2014

    tekwriter ~ I apply the EMLA cream at least an hour before port access. I put a super thick layer on (like about 1/4" at least), maybe the size of a quarter, then cover with a bandaid. I make sure any surface that may end up getting poked is covered. The nurses recommend saran wrap if no bandaids are handy. It really does make it more comfy but as I said, my port was installed tilted and deep and needs a bit of manipulation before they can get the needle in right :(

    I keep the tube of EMLA in my purse because  they do not supply it at the Onc dept when I go for chemo or labs.

  • belleb
    belleb Member Posts: 170
    edited February 2014

    I do the same - thick layer an hour before my appointment. I use Saran Wrap though, because it doesn't absorb any of the cream and just lets it sit and do it's thing :)

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited February 2014

    press and seal over the Emla works good too

  • birdlover23
    birdlover23 Member Posts: 54
    edited February 2014

    I do not use EMLA, but my infusion lab freezes the skin over my port.  It does not hurt when they access my port.

  • stephaniegee
    stephaniegee Member Posts: 81
    edited February 2014

    Do you need a prescription for the EMLA?

  • Marren
    Marren Member Posts: 59
    edited February 2014

    yes you do need a prescription.

  • Asb
    Asb Member Posts: 99
    edited February 2014

    Stephanie, I remember reading in one of the forums that you do need a prescription in the us but not Canada.

    I finally crawled out of my hole after a week. Third THC put me on my butt. I had ( still having to some extent) a lot of heart palpitations. With my heart working overtime the exhaustion was brutal. I am now on a beta blocker which has my heart rate to mostly within the normal range.i still don't know if I will be changing treatments or having surgery earlier since the tumor has not gotten smaller. Mo said it could be dying in spots which would not show an overall change in size, it could be dead tissue or it's possibly that it is not responding. There is no definitive test, imaging can give a general size but cannot show whether the tissue is dead or alive, but as long as it is not getting bigger we are ok. He seems more worried about the heart issues than the tumor size. I have tried to be positive throughout all of this but it has been hard this week I would really love to go to the gym and work off some frustration, but oh yeah can't do that because of the germs. I am wishing I hadn't sold my sons punching bag in the last garage sale. I could use it right now. Ok enough negative for now.

    On a different note, are those of you who lost hair slick bald? When mine started coming out in fistfuls I shaved my head, but still had the fuzz, I haven't lost that, and it is growing, I still have a strip on my legs and under my arms that I have to shave as well. Weird.

    I have not used Elma cream, it hurt the first couple of times a little but I barely feel it now.

    I hope everyone has a restful SE free weekend. I desperately need a day of feeling like myself. Off to work for the first time in over a week. Looking forward to it.

  • tekwriter
    tekwriter Member Posts: 216
    edited February 2014

    I will give some of the suggestions a try.  I go next week for my first taxol.   they never use my port for my weekly labs.  my arms are black and blue because i am not a good stick. sigh.

  • Susan0522
    Susan0522 Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2014

    Did they tell you to put the cream on in a larger amount, like a big glob and cover with press and seal saran wrap?  I have done that with my dermatologist and it works great.  I had my first port access on wednesday and left from work and forgot to put on my cream so I had a minor freak out when I got to chemo but they used a freezing spray and I had no access pain at that time.  It pinched a bit when they pulled it out three hours later but I bet if I remembered the cream that might had helped.

  • Sam2U
    Sam2U Member Posts: 233
    edited February 2014

    tek-that's weird, my mo uses the port for the lab draws too--that's part of what it is for imo.

    asb--sorry you are having so many se's--I am on a/c but I haven't lost all of my hair either, I still have about 10% of my hair on my head, it came out in fistfuls after treatment #2 and we buzzed it, but I never shaved, so I have a sparse buzz that is growing in places.  I too have a strip of underarm hair that hasn't stopped growing-and wouldn't you know it's on the side I've had surgery and hard to shave!  Hope you have a restful weekend.

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