DIEP 2014
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thinking of you today kat-ski and rosebud. See you on the other side.
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My thoughts are with you Kat-ski and rosebud, best wishes for a successful surgery! See you on the other side !
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Good luck Kat Ski & Rosebud sending healing vibes
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Kat-ski and rosebud, see you in flapper land! Hope all goes well.
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kat-ski and rosebud continued prayers through the day for you and your family or support group and most of all your surgical team. By the time you get this you will be on the other side.
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just got my date for stage 2! 4/24/14 - exactly 3 mos from stage 1. Not much needs to be done - just a nipple and maybe a little lipo on one breast. Ps is not sure yet. She thinks it is slightly swollen and she may not need to do anything at all. I got the "ok" to begin using the silicone sheets to reduce scarring. Still cannot exercise or lift anything heavy for another 3 weeks.
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Jumping back in to wish the gals up for surgery today _Kat and Rosebud-successful surgeries and gentle, uncomplicated healing. Here's to hoping that Wilbur is keeping them BOTH company.....and that they will awaken in flapper-land with new boobs!
Can't remember who asked, but Stage 2 for ME included rotating the flaps to bring them closer together for cleavage....it also included a lift, as well. Hope this helps!
Happy healing to you all!
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Best wishes to Katski and Rosebud on your surgery!!!
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1st day back to work since surgery was today. I did good until about 2, then my pants and coobie bra felt like they kept getting tighter. Happy to be back home in yoga pants.
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Jeannie- Thank you again for your wonderful advice. I have a dark complexion, rads side still looks like it has a nice tan. Nipple went though hell, literally thought it was going to peel off, it even bled. And my lumpectomy scar although not visible to anyone else is around the nipple, thinking I probably wont be able to save it on that side
I am unsure where my cells where I just know 1:00 o clock not sure how deep but I think fairly deep, will have to check on that. Your right about the mind, thanks for saying that.
JNB- I am following you at the clinic just different docs, I know they are all part of an extraordinary team there. Thanks for the advice you have been sharing with my regarding the facility.
Janet- My rads ended last April/May, it will have been 1 year, boy how time flies on by. Thanks for sharing with me.
A couple more questions- Is time in surgery lessened by doing skin sparing? Does it raise our risk for recurrence? I made the mistake of going to the thread for those who had a MX and again are going though this, I shouldn't have gone there but I was curious. dang it, I know better. PS said risk after mx was about 2-3%. Oncologist tells me my risks with ILC are high for it returning with a little DCIS and LCIS I am not taking chances.
Lemon
All my best to those of you healing and prayers to those having surgery today.
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Lemon, doctors say different things. There are so many variables in each person's diagnosis. My MO says she doesn't think my cancer will return. I know she is just guessing based on my variables and treatment---she is smart, teaches medical oncology, reads, reads, reads the studies---but I am going with it. Nobody knows. If you are worried about keeping your skin then you don't have to keep it, I hope. I'm not worried about it. Trust your gut after you gather all your info. Hoping the best for you. Oh, my surgery was twelve hours.
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Hi Lemon - wanted to add to the conversation. I had a lumpectomy previously and found out that practice here is to remove the lumpectomy scar. So on the invasive cancer side, I have a bigger circle of abdo skin - my lumpectomy scar was about an inch or so above my nipple, and the abdo skin replaced the nipple and the scar and the space in between. You might want to ask about what they will do with your scar.
I had the choice for nipple sparing on the dcis side, but not on the invasive cancer side. The surgeon's nurse discouraged me from saving one based on her experience. I went with her recommendation and hope I will get a symmetrical reconstructed set when the time comes.
Ridley
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I know I've read on here what the length of time was before everyone returned to work but I don't really want to go back & re-read. I've been looking for a new job & just wondering how long it might be before I could return to work. Also, I've been reading about everyone's numbness. Has anyone had the sensory nerve reconstruction done? PRMA does this as part of the DIEP surgery but I didn't know if all of the hospitals did it too.
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I went back to work right at 5 weeks. I think 4 - 6 weeks is average.
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Lemon, skin sparing doesn't necessarily mean shorter - my surgery was 15 hours... but there was a complication. My BS said it doesn't increase the risk of recurrence because they take all the breast tissue, cutting through the fat layer under the skin, so I took her advice. Then she actually took photos of inside my boobs when she opened me up because I didn't have a fat layer- apparently I'm a mutant! But I spoke to her in January and she said she is still absolutely positive she got all the breast tissue and is confident I'm not at increased risk.
My BC was immediately underneath the nipple, so there was no way to save it. And I didn't have nipple sparing on the non-BC side because I had areolas like dinner plates and my PS told me very bluntly there was no way they could ever match them!
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k79miller - I went back to work at 12 weeks. My job requires me to move around a lot, and there's no way I could have gone back any earlier. Even closing the hatch of my car took some modification. But - I think I could have gone back earlier if I'd had a desk job.
My PS had originally told me that it would take a full three months to resume all my normal activities. I found it took longer because I had a super tight tummy, and I got tired easily. Still do. But that could just be menopause.
Lemon - My surgery took 9 hours for a skin sparing BMX. They'd predicted 12, but had an extra BS on hand and did it quickly. No complications.
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nihahi, I wanted to get back to you on our conversation about the abdominal swelling. Yesterday I felt bloated all day, even in the morning. This morning it is better. I don't think I really know much about the cause of swelling. It's fluid that builds up? Can it build up when I'm laying around on the couch, or is it mostly from being up and active?
You had asked if I had a compression garment. My PS gave me a white Velcro binder that I've been wearing outside of my clothes but I can't wear it in public. So when I leave the house I either wear spanx or nothing. The spanx has a seam that feels uncomfortable after awhile so they aren't the best. She also gave me an abdominoplasty garment (that's what the packaging says) that I can start wearing in another week. It looks awful. Lol. Oh, and no, they did not mention massage.
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Katski and Rosebud - thinking of you! Hoping you're feeling good and happy with your new breasts!
Michele, I second the comment that it's not a good idea to eat food you normally love on tax. I ate a lot of Bob Evans mashed potatoes and the McDonald's filet of fish tasted good during chemo for some reason, something about that slightly metallic tinge to the tartar sauce.
Donna, I just noticed you had IBC - me, too! My cancer side post-MX was concave, too. Oddly, that side looks better post DIEP, it doesn't swell much. I had nipple/skin sparing and lost a bit of the nipple color, it looks like someone took white out to it on one side. I guess tattooing fixes that at some point.
I looked through the photo forum but wasn't able to find any photos showing breasts with a big size difference post-DIEP. My right breast is still so much bigger than the left. It swells a lot, as does my abdomen, especially if I eat meals vs. snacks. Carmelle - I have "rocks" and bands of hardness in both breasts but was told not to touch anything, they'll fix at stage 2. It's not something I'm worried about, everything looks pretty rough so I'm just going to ride things out and give it several months then figure out when I can mentally deal with more surgery/lip, I already know I need a lift on the right.
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Curly,
How have you been feeling? Been thinking about you. I hope you ae doing well....
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Katski and Rosebud, sending you good thoughts today and prayers for a speedy recovery. I am pretty new to this group and will be finishing radiation this Thursday! Going to celebrate with my sister and mom over an awesome lunch and then over the weekend with the hubby! Currently I have a DIEP scheduled in KC for August but heard about PRMA so have decided to go down for a consult since they are in network for me and we met our out of pocket max in January! Feel a little nervous about considering an out of state surgery but feel strongly I want to explore all options. Anyone have some input/advice on pros/cons of going out of state for surgery? Also in regards to reconstruction and radiation, I've read and been told by my rad onc that 6 months is the minimum amount of time you should wait before doing reconstruction. Two places I've talked to about the DIEP have said 6-8 weeks after radiation and they can do reconstruction! Has anyone out there done reconstruction that quickly after radiation and if so, would you mind speaking to your experience/outcomes? So glad to have found this group! What a great support system!
Georgie -
Georgie, I briefly considered going out of state for surgery. I would have done it, despite the obstacles & inconvenience, if I felt my outcome would have been better. However, after doing lots of research, I stayed local (1 hour from my house). My surgeon came highly recommended and has lots of experience with this surgery. Honestly, I do not see how I could look any better at this stage! I look better than I ever thought I would. I asked many medical professionals of who they would recommend for this surgery and the same name kept coming up. I would do your research and if you feel you can get good results, stay close to home - it's easier. My surgeon would not touch me until 6 mos after rads. I had my consultation with her and had my surgery scheduled during the "waiting" period. She also had a long waiting period - which was fine with me, because I had to wait anyway. Then, at 6 mos - I was all ready to go! Now I am ready for stage 2. I have this scheduled for exactly 3 mos from stage 1. Some people may like a "break" and want to allow more time between procedures. I, however, just want this done and over with ASAP!
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k79miller, I asked my PS about the nerve reconnection and she said she doesn't do it because in her experience, it either doesn't work or it doesn't feel right when it does. I would like to know what people who have had this done have to say, however.
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Georgie-PRMA will do an initial consultation over the phone. I had to send the pics & then we talked over the phone. I was kind of nervous at first about going out of state but I'm comfortable with my decision now. I've had several questions that I've either called them with or emailed them & they are very quick about getting back with me & making sure that they've answered my questions completely.
Annajo-It will be interesting to hear some other comments about the nerve reconstruction.
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Donna, thank you so much for your feedback! Your results are amazing. I will continue to investigate my options and so appreciate hearing about others experiences. No doubt the right answer will come as it has with everything else on this journey. I don't if anyone else feels this way, but the decision making process with all this cancer business can be overwhelming at times…Donna, like you, I am ready to get this done and move on.
I will be so excited to hear about your stage 2 results. Kim, thank you for your response as well. I did send pics a couple of weeks ago, it is so nice to be able to do some of this virtually to find out about options without going out of state initially! I did hear back from PRMA and Dr Pisano's office indicated I was a good candidate for the stacked flap as did a PS here locally. PRMA will be my 3rd PS consult. First PS recommended a Lat Flap with implant. Will be going to San Antonio for an in office consult in March. I see you are scheduled for your surgery in March in S.A.! Who is your PS if you don't mind me asking? Again so grateful for all the great information on this topic.
Georgie
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I know there are a lot of us that feel that maybe HRT might have contributed to our BC. I personally have had my own guilt about taking it. I was just watching a show where they were talking about Women's Health Initiative where they studied 30,000 women who took HRT, or didn't. If they took it within the safe period of time, which is while they were still in menopause and before the age of 60 the rate of BC went down. I really want to believe this study, and not kick myself every time somebody says HRT. I also keep telling myself my grandma, mom, and aunt all got it without ever touching a birth control pill, or HRT. What I am still confused about is why they question you about your family history, say maybe you shouldn't stay on HRT any longer than needed, but then go on to say that my family history only put me at a slightly higher risk than other women.
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Goldie - Well, I can't prove it, but yes, I do believe taking Premarin for 2 years lit this fire. I had such low levels of estrogen when I was put on Premarin and yet ended up with highly HR+ (99%) breast cancer which went inflammatory. Also, I was on the pill for 20 some years. I woke up one morning and my left breast was enlarged, pink, and painful. Zero history of breast cancer in my family going back generations. Genetic tests all came back negative.
What's done is done, we can't change it, we relied on doctors to give us good advice so we have to be loving to ourselves. I totally agree with you, I am vocal about the potential dangers of hormones and would like someone to muzzle Suzanne Somers and her dangerous advice about hormone replacement.
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Georgie, I was told both by my PS and also by my second opinion PS (who is at Johns Hopkins, if that sort of thing matters to you) that your tisue needs to recover from the radiation and that it causes problems with healing. I think there are studies confirming this....having said that, when I asked if it would have a greater chance of success if I waited longer than 6 months, they couldn't really say because there hadn't been any studies on success rates for people who waited longer.
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PS wouldn't touch me until 6 months post radiation.
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I posted some before and after stage 1 photos, mainly for those ladies who have some extra weight on them and are worried about not seeing women who look like them in this forum or who didn't have perfect results at stage 1.
Ideally I would have lost 50 pounds before surgery, but insurance coverage issues made waiting impossible so I had to have this done before the end of January 2014. Ideally I will get the weight off, but this is something I struggled with before cancer and tamoxifen.
My photos show complications - necrosis on one breast, partial loss of nipple pigment, one breast much higher/bigger than the other, tummy incision that would not close and required a second surgery. My stage 1 was 1/8/14, the tummy revision was 1/31/14 and today things are healing up well.
Hopefully these are helpful to somebody.
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Surgery went well. Dr. P had do clean up after the PS in GR. I am a bit sore from the sternum being cut. I just moved from bed to chair. I guess Wilbur is doing his job. As I cant seem to do a simple conversation. I tried to get on my cell phone last night but the password evaded my memories. lol So far so good with PRMA.
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