A dimple on my breast has turned my world upsidedown
Last week I was blow drying my hair while naked and noticed some
dimpling on my left breast. It kinda just looked like cellulite (like on
my butt) but I'm only an A cup and really don't have cellulite on my
boobs. So I called my PCP and 7 days, a mammogram, ultrasound, breast
and lymph node biopsy and visit to a surgeon later I've been told I have
Grade 1 Invasive Lobular Carcinoma which also showed up in the lymph node they
biopsied so I guess that automatically make it at least a stage 2.
The whole thing did not show up on the mammogram from last week or the one I had last September. It was the dimpling that made them decide to do all the test, and that only shows up if I flex a certain way. I normally don't look at myself naked (if I can avoid it) but I was in a hurry that day and just started drying my hair.
I'm in the very early process of this whole frightful
mess. My husband had to go to Maine (I'm in Ohio) on Thursday for
business and I got the news on Friday. My friends are all an hour away
and I've not yet had time to get together with anyone. I've been on the
phone a lot, and have had wonderful support from that, and this site
that has really gotten me through these last few grueling days. I've
been alone all weekend trying to come to terms with this, haven't cried
but I know that the minute someone gives me a hug the flood gates will open. My son and his wife and my new 1 month old grandaughter are coming over today, he knew I was having the test, but doesn't know I got the results. I don't want to completely lose it with them. (I'd like to save that for my husband, who will be home tonight).
My PCP called me in a script for Xanax and it has been a
godsend at night, I at least sleep till 4 or so. My dogs are now
climbing the walls cause I just couldn't find the energy to walk them
these last few days, but I am going to pull on my big girl panties here
in the next hour and we are going for a long hike in the woods. My boob
and underarm hurt from the biopsies and I've been kind of a baby about it
but it's time to get over it.
The unknown is scary, I'm having
my MRI on Monday, then the bone scan on Tuesday and maybe a CT if they
can get it scheduled. I don't know when I'll see the oncologist, we are
leaving for Key West for a long planned and much needed vacation on
Wednesday so my surgeon has been frantically trying to get all these
test done before we leave.
I know I sound like I'm rambling on, but this is my first post in this ILC forum and everyone helped me so much in the waiting for test results forum these past few days.Well... onward and upward, time to bundle up and get outside with my dogs for some nice 15 degree air, (Arrgghhh…it's snowing again!) and quit feeling sorry for myself. Thanks all for "listening"
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Hi genny - I know the standard reply is sorry you have to be here and that goes w/o saying but at least we all have this forum that allows us to vent and ask endless questions and relay our own personal experiences. It was and is truly my lifeline. You are very early in the process but once your surgery and treatments are decided, at least for me, things moved rather quickly. You do have the same kind of BC my sister has and from what I understand it is hard to detect on a mammogram. My sister was diligent in having annual mammograms since our mother had BC when she was in her late 60s. She died almost 10 years ago but not from BC. My sister is doing fine. The scans are unnerving to be sure but so far, so good. She had a MX and is currently taking Arimidex. She didn't have chemo or RADS.
I have Stage II, Grade 1 IDC and while I don't have to have scans I did have a lumpectomy and 33 RADS treatments. I am currently taking Tamoxifen. I am 3 years out and my sister is 2 years. Early detection is a key to survival. There are several women on this forum who lamented that they did have yearly mammograms...and no one ever wants to look back and say if only...BC is a crap shoot with no guarantees but they have come a long way in treatment and research. When my mother was DX they only did MX. My advice would be lean on your support team including your canines. It is amazing to me how much comfort my dog brought me. You know they love you no matter what and can always sense when you are stressed. Good luck. Keep the faith and keep us posted. Diane
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Thanks Diane, As I said I just found out for sure on Friday night, My doc called me at 5:00 when I was coming in from work. I've gone through the weekend in a sort of haze, just going about my business as normal and taking the Xanax at night. I even came home yesterday poured myself a glass of wine and prepared my self for a big old solitary pity party… well it just didn't come… no tears. So today, my dogs woke up full of it, flying around here like maniacs, they've had enough! So I bundled up and took them to their favorite woods where i can just let them run. I walked for an hour back there in the snow, they ran and ran, and finally it came… the flood gates have opened, I can't stop crying but it is exactly what I needed. I'm starting to wrap my brain around the idea of fighting this horrible shit. Thanks for writing back to me, this site is my lifeline right now.
I have to tell my son today, and I want to get these tears out of the way before they get here. They are at such a happy time right now with their beautiful new daughter, I'm not really not looking forward to this. Genny
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I am so sorry you have to join the BC community. Just know that you are not alone and will always find support and friendship here on the boards. The beginning is the hardest part....it somehow gets easier when you move forward with treatment. I am over three years out....life is good and normal again. Have faith that will happen for you! Hold that grandbaby today and picture yourself being at his/her wedding one day! Sending hugs!
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Hi Genny,
I think we all remember the fear that came with a diagnosis. I was diagnosed with Lobular carcinoma, same as you dimpling, 2 tumours aged 38 and have four daughters at home + hubby and 12 days later double mastectomy and a few weeks later chemo etc..... The first few weeks can be difficult as it feels unreal. The most important thing I told myself and it is so true. I am dealing with something I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER and the sooner I realised that, the sooner I actually calmed down. I never picked up the bible until I was diagnosed and it really helped me a lot and I also listened to some lovely christian music and that really helped and not forgetting prayer. It's the unknown that is frightening I think for us all during the early days, the what if's that haunt our minds and of course I had myself dead and buried and imagined my families reactions in my head like a movie when in reality, it didn't turn out that way at all. Our minds are very powerful and fear likes to take a grip and hold on us.
You bring the dogs for a walk and believe me when your hubby comes home you will feel a problem shared is a problem halved. You just concentrate on you . Try and keep your head in Today and each day just keep it in the day. Take a Xanax during the day to calm the nerves as well, no point in being a martyr and only keeping it for night!!!!, If I had my time back over again I would have gone to my doc and chewed them day and night!!LOL
Take all the meds you need to keep you nice and calm. Run the bath and relax with bubbles, listen to relaxing music. A good cry is good as well, dear Lord I was like a woman at the wailing wall for a week before I got my pathology results, then as I said opened the bible and never have looked back.A peace which surpasses all understanding flows now.............
Here are a few tunes for you to listen to. Enjoy the walk and bath!
Hugs & Blessings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_pCr_Xrnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMZj0520v0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQH6UDi15s
Here is a video of me the year I was diagnosed. One minute life is fine, the next, it changes in the blink of an eye....
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As others have posted, coming here was one of the best things you could have done. Lots of gals with experience and knowledge. We all share our fears and successes here and yes, lots of fear. I sometimes wonder if it all ever totally goes away because there are days I am fine and days I curl up and shake my head in disbelief this ever happened.
DO NOT start googling a lot of stuff; even if it can be accurate, right now, you just need to focus on a plan for yourself. The googling will come later.
Sending virtual hugs.
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Genny,
Sorry & welcome. It all sucks, but somehow we get through the surgery & treatments. I also have lobular and that adds another twist in the nightmare as there is not as much concrete answers & research done on Lobular Cancer.
I hope you have a surgeon who you are comfortable with and trust. That really helps. Generally you see the oncologist after surgery and path report. I saw mine the day after surgery and I wasted her time, as she could not really discuss a plan when she had no idea how far my cancer had spread.
There are several threads that are for Lobular, a lot of the ladies feel a mascetomy is the way to go as lobular is more difficult to see on a mammogram. I had a lumpectomy & am happy with that decision.
Keep posting, it will help keep you sane, we get it, are living it....
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Thank you all for welcoming me into this club that I never really wanted to be a member of, but so glad that I have all of you. I told my son and his wife the news last night. Our baby Nora is only 5 weeks old and I hadn't seen her in 2 weeks (they live an hr away) so it was hard to be sad. Holding that baby was better than Xanax! Oh she's so beautiful. It was the first time that my daughter-in-law pumped milk and filled bottles and was able to get away for more than a few hours so I got to babysit all evening. My husband came home from Maine and he brought his mom over to meet Nora and it was such a nice night. My son said they will bring me a ("Nora fix) as often as possible when I start my treatments.
My surgeon has been so wonderful, she has really worked hard to get as much done as possible before we leave on vacation, right down to staying after to see me for the first time last Thursday night to coming in at 8am on Friday and doing my biopsy herself.. I feel that I'm in very capable hands.
I don't think I mentioned on this forum that the administrator where I work has ILC and just had a double mastectomy this past year. She has finished her chemo and her hair has grown back. She is 46 and we are both blonds and she has some beautiful wigs. She told me I could borrow them until I'm done with chemo and my hair grows back, then she said she wanted them back till she makes her 5 year mark and then she'll give them to me till I hit mine. I never really knew her that well but she's already offered to help me in anyway she can.
Wallycat, I've stayed away from the wicked Dr Google, haven't gone there since I logged onto this site. All the info I need seems to be here.
Rafomimi, you are so right about keeping your head in today, that has been my main focus here, otherwise I get too much into the unknown world of "what-ifs."
So today I'm going to go to work to get things squared away for the ladies that will be helping to get my customers done for awhile and then on to my MRI this afternoon. Tomorrow, my bone scan, and maybe CT, Wednesday... Key West.
I hope you all had a nice weekend, I'll be turning to this forum a lot in the months to come... Thanks all again for "listening." Genny
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genny - I'm so sorry to hear this
. Did you have any other symptoms besides the dimpling? - inverted nipple, any discharge? - anything? I ask because I noticed a 1/2 inch indent underneath my right breast a few weeks ago. No other symptoms however. Reading your post has now got me wondering ...Thank you for any information you can give and my prayers are with you.
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Totally Blessed, I did not and still do not have any symptoms. I had a normal mammogram in September 2013. I have my mammo's every year and they always say dense, fibrous breast but normal. The dimpling only shows up if I make a movement like flexing. I actually noticed it awhile back but wrote it off as being 56 and having some cellulite. Then last week while blowdrying my hair naked I saw it again and it made me worry a bit. If you google a site called "dimples belong on golf balls not breast" there is a video of a woman showing how to look in the mirror and look for dimpling. I looked all over the internet for pictures of what my looked like but didn't find very much. If you want, I will send you a private message with an attachment of mine. I would like women to know.
I had a mammo last Wed of my left breast followed by an ultrasound, the surgeon said the mammo did not look very remarkable but the ultrasound picked up a 1cm mass, and 2 lymph nodes looked very suspicious. She then ordered a biopsy followed up by an MRI and when I asked her if we would cancel the MRI if the biopsy was negative she said "it won't be negative." Because it is lobular, I guess and I have naturally dense breast it just doesn't show on a mammogram. So as you have read above, I got the dx on Friday. I do think when flexing I see a small dimple on my right breast as well. I had my MRI today, and I get the bone scan tomorrow, so I guess I'll know the full extent of it soon.
Like I said, if you want me to send you my pics privately, I will, just don't try to sell them to Penthouse…Haha….. I know how worrisome this is, I'm right in the thick of it.
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Thank you so much for responding, genny - and yes, I want to see your pics. I've been all over the net today trying to find anything like what I'm seeing.
Here's a brief nut shell of my history - I've ALWAYS had issues with my left side resulting in my most recent core biopsy last October with a b9 result and diagnosed with fibrous breast tissue and ductal hyperplasia, on a 6 month re-check come this April. About 6 weeks or so ago, I noticed a slight indent on the right side (underneath), but chalked it up to a bra indent. Checked it the next morning and it will still there. It's STILL there. I've also convinced myself it must be cellulite, but can you have cellulite in just one area
. After reading your thread today, I've decided to call my doctor this week. The only thing that holds me back from running to the phone and calling is the fact there aren't any other symptoms, no lump, nothing. How long ago did you notice the dimpling?I really appreciate your responding, and bless your heart - hugs!!! By the way, I'm 56 too.
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Genny, hang on tight, you're in for a bumpy ride, and one that seems awfully long but it's a ride you'll get through before you know it, even though sometimes it seems like it's gonna go on and on and on....
It's good that you understand that sometimes crying is exactly what you need -- this is an extraordinarily emotional thing, for so many reasons and on so many levels. Learn to tell the difference between crying because the emotional bucket is full and needs to be dumped out, and crying because you are in absolute despair. If you're in despair, talk to someone, find something to distract yourself, find some inspirational quotes on the internet, remind yourself that life WILL be good again...whatever it takes. If it's just that the emotional bucket is full though, cry it out. You'll feel better for it.
You'll feel MUCH better once all the scans are done and you have a "plan" in place. Lots of people will tell you that, and it's true. After that, it will be up and down. Sometimes you'll feel great, other times not so much. Just remember you WILL feel great again when you're down, and allow yourself to look forward to it.
You'll be scared out your mind at times, but don't let it live with you for long. Kick the fear to the curb as soon and as often as you can: it's pointless, it doesn't change anything, and it only robs you of what could be good moments.
Try to choose doctors for each step of the process that you feel comfortable with and who you have faith in. I can't stress enough how important this is. If you feel like your doctors CARE it will make SO much difference in all steps of your treatment. It matters.
Ramble here on these boards as much as you want to; I encourage it. It's good for you. It's cathartic, and WE GET IT. We understand. We're there, or we've been there.
Join the threads for whatever you are going through at any given time; women going through surgery at the same time as you, women going through chemo at the same time as you. I joined the chemo group for my month and I can honestly say that I LOVE those women; knowing that I can express anything from my deepest fear to aggravation about mouth sores and receive not just sympathy and empathy but darned good advice on how to deal with these issues has been invaluable. And while I wish that no one else in the world had to go through breast cancer ever, at the same time, knowing that I'm not alone has been invaluable.
You'll get through this.

P.S. Feel free to PM me with questions or concerns or just plain rambling anytime you like. I'm only in the chemo phase of this ride, so it's all quite new and raw to me too.. but I'm far enough ahead of you to understand some of what you might go through and maybe offer some insights, too. WE will get through this.

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Thanks so much Lisa, everything you have said I can connect with. I love my surgeon, she has been the best so far. I bought this little journal the other day but have found that this forum is turning out to be my journal, I don't know how I would have survived the past week without it. First I found myself saying..please don't let it be cancer, then it was, please let it just be something that just requires a little lumpectomy and maybe a little Chemo, now it's..ok, I'l get the bilateral mastectomy, I'll lose my hair, but please don't let it be in my bones. The bargaining keeps advancing, what seemed so horrible in the beginning lessens as I move ahead in this journey.. but I've only had about 5 days to absorb it all. Now I just want to see my grand baby grow up, I don't think that crossed my mind 5 days ago.
I don't feel despair, I think I'll know the difference, I'm just sad and stunned and waiting for some GOOD news.. like "gee, you'll be having a double mastectomy, some chemo, lose your hair, but we got it all" Who would've thought I'd be calling that good news a week ago.
I don't know if you saw my post earlier about the fact that I work in a retirement home with a bunch of women that lost breast 40 or so years ago, and to them it was just a bump in the road of their life. I want to be one of them one day.
Good luck to you with your chemo, and thanks for sharing with me. Genny
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Yeah, I did that bargaining thing too; I googled every possible thing it could be that WASN'T cancer, and diagnosed myself dozens of times.
The BMX, if that's the route you go, isn't so bad, by the way. The drains suck (literally and figuratively,) but only in a "holy cow this is aggravating" sort of way. I opted for no reconstruction and I'm sort of enjoying being flat, weirdly enough. I think I can see how I *might* consider all this just a bump in the road one day.

Chemo also isn't THAT bad really. It's not fun, but it's not months of constant misery either for most of us. There is misery, but it's intermittent lol. You can do that.
I didn't get word that my bone scan (the final scan) was clear until my first day of chemo. Talk about a relief, it kind of made the chemo anti-climactic.
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Thanks Lisa, I can see I'm going to enjoy talking to you. My husband just went to bed with the flu…e-gads.. we leave for our vacation to Key West in 36 hours!.. Hope it's a quick one, and I hope I don't get it! Have a good night…later
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Genny, we have an "ILC warriors" and" ILC the odd one out" thread that is very active. Come join us. ILC is less common that IDC and you might find it helpful to read about it specifically. ILC is hard to detect on mammos because it grows in "sheets" and isn't often found through regular screening. Dense breasts make it even harder to find. But we have lots of info on ILC at that discussion link and we'd love to have you post there too, if you need to.
Hugs
Claire in AZ
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Thanks Claireinaz, I'll check them out. Got good news today, bone scan and CT negative..YEA!!.. Never thought I'd be so happy to say..I just have breast cancer!
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Yay! I can absolutely remember (since it was just a few months ago) how happy I was to get that news. I'm relieved with you all over again. Cheers!
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Genny, I've been following your thread. I'm so sorry you are here. But I'm happy dancing with your good news! I mostly lurk now on the threads since I'm finished with active treatment (outside of my daily dose of tamoxifen, 4 years and 3 months to go or maybe it'll be 9 years and 3 months). Like Claire said, the "ILC Warriors" thread and "ILC-the odd one out" are good places for resources and especially support. The women are fantastic!
Hugs,
Amy
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Totally Blessed...when I was dx with BC I cant tell how many times I was asked the same question you are asking; did you have any symptoms and the answer is not really. I say that because looking back on the time before THE mammogram I lost weight - not like 20 lbs but almost 10 in a matter of months. I quit eating anything with sugar so I thought that was the reason. It wasn't- at least not the primary reason. So maybe if there were symptoms like a lot of pain, etc., more women might be more apt to get a mammogram and check out the symptoms. The only sage advice I can give is if anything is out of the ordinary check it out. We all are and were afraid of what they might find but better that we do that then find out too late. I have a friend whose sister did just that. She knew something was horribly wrong but she ignored the signs and sadly when she did go to the doctor it was too late. Not trying to scare you just want you to not guess...make sure. Good luck. And Ginny...have fun in Key West...I am so jealous. Diane
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soaking up the sunshine in Key West, it's glorious! Went for a 1 hour run this morning, that really helped clear my head, so much better than the stupid treadmill. At the pool now. I'm going to go home ready to fight this thing. Metastatic work up was negative except for what they suspect is a cyst on my ovary, I have to have another ultrasound for that when I get back. Trying really hard to put it all out of my head while down here
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Genny,
Running, soaking up the sun & now poolside. Ah, I am jealous. Happy to hear your scans were clear. I remember how frightening that was.
Did the sun fix hubby up?
Try to enjoy every minute, it is difficult to put all those thoughts on the back burner, even 7 months out, I am still overwhelmed at times, but it does get easier. If you do not have sleep meds, and think you need them, make sure you ask. Being sleep deprived is a recipe for disaster.
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Ah, good scans! What a relief, I remember. Little by little, you'll step forward, and this will be behind you.
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Congrats on the good scans! Those are the best news; I remember how happy they made me...still happy bout those, too.

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They really limit the Xanax which was helping me sleep, my dr called in5 more just to make sure I didn't run out but the pharmacy wouldn't fill it because it wasn't time yet. So my friend who is also a nurse suggested I just take Benadryl at night, so last night I had 2 cosmos at dinner then came home and took two Bendryl. Slept thru my husband's all night coughing. He got a z-pak before we left but he's really got the crud in his chest. I think the pool and sunshine is beginning to knock it out of him. Guess it wasn't the flu just some nasty respiratory thing. Tomorrow we golf 18 holes (Maybe my last time for awhile) well gotta go get in the shower, going to go watch the sunset entertainment.
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Congrats on the good scans Genny but sorry for the ILC Dx. I remember the crazy day, nearly 10 years ago, when the core biopsy came back with the ILC Dx, after mammogram & ultrasound didn't pick it up, noting, 'dense breast tissue' and fine needle was, 'unsure'. I then had a CT scan & the Breast specialist went all nuts, thinking there was some sinister thing in my uterus - but it wasn't anything in the end! Finally, I had to decide if I was going to have a mastectomy the next week or have neoadjuvant chemo. I chose chemo, but retrospectively think I should have had the Mx straight away due to the often poor response to chemo with ILC because of it being a 'large and lazy' sub type. I was like you with the skin dimpling. My left breast was also hard, like when you get engorged while breast feeding.
This is the best site for information, support and hope. Have a relaxing time in Key West, enjoy the sun and sea. I agree the Mx isn't too bad, apart from the drains, radiation is OK but be careful with your skin that it doesn't get infected. Chemo was the worst for me in the initial Dx, but it is manageable, just make sure you have a good balance between, rest, nutrition and moderate exercise, I swam all the time. If you are er/pr +, the hormonals are having great results, I remained Stage III & NED for 9 years on Femara. I too, didn't opt for reconstruction and had a prophylactic Mx to balance out and I have no issues being flat chested, just wearing fakes for formal occasions, like my son's graduation last year!
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Thanks Fitzy, it's nice to hear from someone that's almost 10 years past all this scary stuff. I don't know about the hormonal stuff yet as I haven't seen my Dr since the dx. All that will come when I get back. My suspicion is that I'm looking at bilateral mx then right to chemo but they have to rule out ovarian involvement. It's strange how it's in your head every moment of every day. I'm here on vacation, the weather has been fabulous after a grueling winter in Ohio. But, it's there all the time, 1st thought when I open my eyes in the morning and last thought when I drift off at night. I'll be glad when I get to a place where maybe that's not the case.
I like to run but it's been so icy in Ohio this winter, I have been taking my dogs for long walks in the woods several times/wk. I figure by the time I get through surgery and the early chemo spring will hopefully be here and I can get out walking. My recovery will be getting outside, I think.
Today we're going out for breakfast then off to the beach, then golf 18 holes this afternoon so I've got plenty to help keep my mind busy.
This site is phenomenal, I don't know what I'd do without it, even when I just want to ramble on about it, I'm trying not to talk too much about it while here with my husband, so when I feel like I'm going to bust at the seams I can come here. I know you all understand.
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Hi Genny,
The shock and fear will gently subside over time. There is always hope and the reality that most breast cancer does not progress further after treatment. I saw the dimple on my breast and never questioned why that might be. I had no fear of ever becoming ill as I have always been healthy. My mistake. Treatment was difficult but now I am healthy again. The fear just comes and goes and I accept it and try not to dwell. I wish you well.
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Hi Genny,
So how did you play? Did you beat hubby? I am a golfer ( hence the name Holeinone ), but have not gotten to play since last July, right before my lumpectomy.
It is impossible not to think of your cancer & what treatments you will need. Sadly this does go on for way too long, but maintaining a sense of humor and as much of your normal life style helps. Soak up those fabulous rays & enjoy the sunsets on the water....
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Holeinone. No I certainly did no beat my hubby, he has been playing his whole life and me only 3 yrs, I pretty much suck at golf but love it nonetheless. So have u ever had a hole in one? Do u think you'll be able to golf this summer? Do u live in a warm climate? I will miss golfing this summer, I'm assuming I won't get to play till next yr.
Part of me doesn't ever want this vacation to end because then I'm going to really have to jump into the world of cancer and it's treatments. The other part of me can't wait for it to be over so I can get more out of this world of the unknown and start having a plan. I would like to get this ovary thing resolved and find out about the hormone stuff. I'm praying I'm HER2 neg, The idea of herceptin scares me. I already have CAD thanks the the genetics of both my parents and some of these drugs sound pretty wicked for the heart. I do know that with each answer will come another question, I've never had such a hard time staying in the moment.
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Genny,
From what I know lobular cancer is generally her-. I looked on the other ILC boards and did find one lady +, but I know that I have read it is usually E+ P + her -. Most likely you will get a Muga scan, to make sure your heart is ok for the chemo. It is a easy test, they mix a little of your blood with something and inject it back into you, you lay on a table for 10-15 minutes. All the treatments are very high tech, and would be interesting if they were not being done on you !
I have been playing golf for 15 years or so, I am still a hacker. I live in Idaho, so cold winters, very windy springs. But, I live right next to the Snake River Canyon & we have 2 courses in the canyon which are beautiful. I play in ladies twilight and a few tournaments. Very social, most my friends play. I definitely will be able to play in a month or so.
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