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  • BreezyH
    BreezyH Member Posts: 21
    edited February 2014

    hi 

    For everyone with worrys, I hope for you some relief and hope your situations have happy results

    For those waiting on surgery, I hope for you good drugs ;) and quick healing.

    For those making decisions, strong support and amazing medical teams

    Love for everyone, truly

    I finished chemo yesterday with 16 treatments under my belt, 3 surgeries with a few to go and today I feel a big sense of relief. I have my follow up and testing next week but I'm very hopeful after my brain MRI and chest CT came back clear earlier this month. 

    My brain is just going a mile a minute thinking about what's next in my life with my amazing husband and 3 beautiful daughters. I feel like I missed so much life the last 6 months and I just want to jump back in. I know I can't put the cart before the horse so I will begrudgingly be patient with myself while I try to regain my strength, lose some weight (the toughest one) and just regain a routine not focused around treatments and doctors appt.

    My questions for you incredibly strong ladies is about the what's next stage- what were some of the most important questions you had for you medical team post treatment? I know I will be put into the survivorship program with my oncologist office to handle the transition but any incite will be appreciated, I doubt want to kick myself later cause I missed the opportunity to ask good question while face to face with my docs!

    Thanks in advance

    Breezy

  • Jianchi
    Jianchi Member Posts: 352
    edited February 2014

    Sorry that I have been absent.  Stupidboob: all my best wishes to your brother!  BanR:  sorry to hear about your itchy side effects, and hopefully, you are finishing up!  My third one remains the same, no major SEs.  I get my last chemo next Monday.

    M husband overheard the news this morning on TV says that Evista can help with TNBC?  Anybody knows this?

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited April 2014

    BanR - Congrats on your last Taxol tomorrow!  GREAT JOB! I hope you celebrate with something special!

    I want to point out one thing -- about those who do not have a PCR (pathological complete response).  My Onc told me that even those who have a Partial Response, that "they know those patients will do very well still".  He did not indicate at all that they were at a higher rate for recurrence, but in the context we were just talking overall survival. and he said that even with a Partial Response those patients will also do very well overall.  

    BanR - Ask your Onc to run the GenOptix Test - this is the state-of-the-art test in the industry which was created because as many as 20% of women are misclassified of their ER status. This test is the latest technology and is extremely specific. http://www.genoptix.com/nexcourse_breast_ERPR.php...  I had 4 different tests ran on my slides to confirm and reconfirm.  Similar to you, my biopsy showed a 13%ER, something showed a 4%, and my Onc had me on Tamoxifen for 1 week, when the GenOptix text proved it was TNBC at 100%.  My Onc described the difference in the testing process, it was quite complicated, but very apparent how dynamic this new test is.  Please ask for it - the technology is excellent and he considered it the best.

    I have wondered about the stress/bc connection.  I have tried to find evidence but it seems all studies I looked at could not conclude either way ... however it is interesting that you said social isolation.  I also think without much sun could have also been a contributor. Or if not a contributor, a mechanism that wasn't there to keep this away, so to speak.  My D level was a 12, probably because of my recluse work habits. I think I will need to work on both of these angles!!

    Thank you for your post - it has given me more things to think about and to try and harness into some positive changes in my environment.

    GenOptix

  • BanR
    BanR Member Posts: 289
    edited February 2014

     inspired:

    thanks for info about the test. will ask him tomorrow for sure.

    social isolation and stress have strong links with cancer..i have come across a lot of articles .. sending a few links of studies talking about the same in animal model. 

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8279425.stm

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/09092...

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22610067

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/consequential-...

    http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/c...

    Stress, depression, social isolation, unhappiness etc do trigger a lot of other diseases so why not cancer too. Just like you even I feel that one of these could have triggered mine too. I met a woman in the hospital who was getting treated for a recurrence. She said she was fine for 4 years but then her elder sister expired and 1 year after that she got this recurrence...maybe a trigger, may not be. 

    But cancer needs an environment to grow. Let us not give it that environment anymore...I will try my level best to keep myself away from situations which create stress/depression/ isolation etc. 

    Jianchi: Havent heard about it, will ask my doctor. Good to hear that your taxols are going fine. I finish off tomorrow and you finish on Monday..High Five for that!!

    Cocker: Thanks for your words of encouragement. I need ice under my feet now and then. Will carry few ice packs for chemo tomorrow too...else this burning sensation wont allow me to sit for 6 hours.

    sending warm wishes to everybody here..

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    I love that we are having some great sharing with research here.  I came across this link yesterday to a website, and I noticed that on the column on the left, there is a link to the bladder cancer in the left column Lori.  

    Everyone the link when you open it up talks about how meat can feed cancer cells. I have not read the site or article yet, but I'm posting here in case you find it worthy to read. http://www.cancertutor.com/faq_meat/

    I was thinking more about the stress issue.  I haven't read the links yet BanR - going there right now ... but wonder if it's how we respond to stress.  Maybe once we enter that situation, we stay up all night (not supposed to be good for the lack of melatonin issue), and perhaps we lose our eating habits, stop exercising, start drinking, etc.  Also, once our immune system is compromised from stress, then like you said, that harbors the environment for stress to negatively impact us.  I think now more than ever, when stressed, I try to go workout, I think it's supposed to be very effective and controlling the negative impact of stress.  I will also try to do research on this soon for us.

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    PS - I have also wondered why the cancer rate is so low in the prison population.  I rarely hear of anyone having cancer in the system.  They do get daily vitamin D though, and usually do not eat processed food, as everything is made in the kitchens in large batches there. 

    Also there was a story of that researcher who was in Alaska and she developed bc - they had to drop down medicine to her until she could be rescued or finish her research and then be rescued.  I know I'm missing some facts on that story and will try to find it.  It was basically she was alone in this arctic region, and got bc. Because of the lack of sunshine I have always wondered if that is what it was from, lack of vitamin D. 

    Two things that I did not have much of the two years prior to the dx was the social stuff during the day and lack of direct sunshine.  Yet also, I had just started drinking coffee daily, diet coke and eating lots of turkey meat during those 2 years.  I'm suspicious of it all, and now I've cut out all three items 100%.  I drink only water and organic green tea (from Canada) daily.  Pepsi has changed their caramel coloring in CA due to 4-Mel being possibly carcinogenic.  Other regions, like NY, still have Pepsi with 6x higher the amount of this chemical than is approved under the CA standards for CA

    http://www.grubstreet.com/2014/01/pepsi-one-carcin...

    For me, I really have also felt it could have also been the chemicals. Chemicals change things in your body, which I didn't really think about too deeply before this dx. I am okay with eating dark chocolate though!  

    Coffee is also known to be a possible carcinogenic and in CA at Starbucks and other coffee places in CA there are Prop 65 warnings about the potential carcinogens from coffee.  In my research, the darker the roast the higher the level of possible carcinogens.

  • BanR
    BanR Member Posts: 289
    edited February 2014

    Its our response to stress and also because of compromised immune system plus increase in cortisol etc, the cells in the breast undergo changes. So its psychology plus biology both. I could come down to the following points which triggers breast cancer:

    1> early onset of menstrual cycles

    2> not completing pregnancy full term

    3> taking birth control hormonal pills

    4> not breast feeding the child enough. It should be exclusive breast milk for 6 months and extended feed till 2 years

    5> having first child after age 30

    6> never had children

    7> obesity, lack of exercise, alcohol, lack of at least 4 to 5 servings of fruits and vegetables daily.

    8> stress/ social isolation etc 

    9> hypothyroidism ( under study and there are various views to this)

    10> brca1 and 2 gene

    11> other inherited genes (under study- not known till now )

    12> pollution in general which has penetrated our eco system

    13> increased exposure to radiations of all kinds..

    did i miss any point? for me i am sure its 8,9,12,13..maybe 11, who knows! also i had my child at 30, so maybe i was in the boundary line!

    regarding the meat and cancer issue..even i had come cross it. It also speaks about diary products and meat both. But people who consume more meat maybe consume less veggies n fruits, maybe there can be an indirect link.

    inspired: you mentioned once that you take metformin everyday as prevention ..i hope i got the name correctly. Do confirm, will discuss this with my oncologist too.

  • Lookingforward66
    Lookingforward66 Member Posts: 147
    edited February 2014

    Ladies & Al Husband too!

    Just got back from giving my 3 month blood donation (small joke) for my check up tests, but when I saw my primary doctor he told me he wanted to chat with me for a minute.  He told me he went to seminar recently & was discussing (other topics than seminar) with a oncology researcher. He indicated it looks as if people going in for chemo will be asked to fast for 24 to 48 hours before to deny the cancer cells their glucose fix that way when chemo hits the cancer cells are more open to they drugs. Eating is 6 to 8 hours after chemo. 

    He thought I might like to pass it on.  That's all I know. But makes some sense to me. 

    Have a good day All!!

    Marsha

  • BanR
    BanR Member Posts: 289
    edited February 2014

    Inspired: I asked my onco that day if low Vitamin d level is one more trigger for cancer. I said no.

    But yes you said..processed food  and excess consumption of caffeine has a good link with cancer...that makes point number 14 in my list!!

    But I have something interesting to share. There is a proven study that during chemo, getting high dose vitamin c helps chemo work better. High dose as in Vitamin C directly injected in the body.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-26038460

    http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20140205/intraven...

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/vitamin-...

    This study began way back in 1976 and by now its almost certain. Vitamin C kills cancer cells without harming normal cells..so ladies, lets go high on Vit C...

    LookingForw: thanks for sharing the info! I just remembered suddenly, before administering anesthesia, they asked me to fast for 12 hours and this time I happily waited for my surgery, without food n water..just thinking that my tumor cells are starving with me too and soon the little fellow will be pulled out of me and will be killed. The very thought gave me lot of happiness. I wish there was some way to locate circulating tumor cells too, so that we get the same happiness during our adjuvant chemo sessions too..our suffering suddenly becomes less when we realize that those little fellows are suffering too :):)

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    There is an Onc who documented his patients - they came from all different background, cities, upbringings, etc.  The ones who were TNBC, almost every single one had a vitamin D deficiency.  I have read numerous sources that correlate low Vit D increases risk for breast cancer. So much so, that many Oncs are now running the test on their patients.

    Regarding no eating before chemo --- I wonder if they borrowed that idea from Metformin.  Metformin is in some trials exploring that when added to a chemo regimen produces better results than chemo regimen without Metformin.

    Yes, I am on Metformin.  I will send you the links in a PM so that you can share with your Onc!

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    BanR - you have a typo?  You said it was not a trigger or your Onc?  The word says "I" instead of "He" ... so I'm just verifying.  Maybe he doesn't like the word trigger and is correlating the word trigger to something that spontaneously happens in our body, vs attributes to, compromises us, put us at an increased risk, etc.  

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    Okay, I will try to find you all something.  My genetic counselor explained this, and I had already seen a table about this.  Many researchers feel that cancer is actually something that happens after repeated insults (insults in this example meant events).  It showed a square with boxes in it, and each box had a name.  Environmental, stress, BRCA gene, etc.  The more boxes you had filled in the more your risk of bc increased in percentages.  My genetic counselor told me it was great that I was not BRCA positive otherwise it would mean that I had one more box filled in, and when you connect enough of those boxes, if you have enough of them filled in, your risk of cancer is increased. Each box increases that risk.  One box said diet. Then if you click on that box, it takes you to another page that shows you a huge long list of possibilities of things for that box.  It might sound weird the way I explained it, but it was very technical and scientific.  So I think with the list you made, it reminds me .... how many of those things are in separate boxes and how many boxes do we have colored in?  

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    I was trying to research the TNBC and Evista that was asked about earlier today ... and in doing so came across this article.  

    "Engineered virus effective against triple negative breast cancer cells, study shows"  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/14013...

  • Lookingforward66
    Lookingforward66 Member Posts: 147
    edited February 2014

    I don't doubt that the fasting came via metformin trials as he said he might put me on metformim if my tests (blood work results) indicate it is not contraindicated for me & if my system will not have an allergic reaction to it. For me it is always a guessing game on my system & drugs. 

    The tests I had done today (a laundry list)

    CEA.   CA 15.3.     CA 125.    CA 27.29

    CBC,  Comprehensive metabolic

    Vit B 12,  Vit D3,   Thyroid and a 

    Urinalysis

    This is what my MO wants done. Easier to go to my primary & he does them as soon as I walk in office. I am spoiled. I go see BS & MO 1st week of June.  I just feel better if my results come back in same ranges as always have been. 

    As to blood in urine. I have a genetic predisposition to that problem. It has been in the females (via Mothers line) for 4 generations that we know of.  We just watch the amount of trace in urine. 

    Inspired. I tried to go to the link, says page not exist or under construction. Can you retry posting it?

    Take care all

    Marsha

  • lizlori
    lizlori Member Posts: 148
    edited February 2014

    Thanks for the response....you are all so nice. BanR...what a trooper, to deal with all the itching. Stupid Boob....was it you with the lifeless eyes.   I can so relate. I am good if I can go a week without crying.  I see a Dr., and try my best to get beyond my despair; and keep busy. For me sitting around and hanging on the computer gets to me, as well as watching too much t.v.  Sometimes its one hour at a time.  Today it was sunny and I made some decisions about my heath (non) issues, so I am feeling better....  I am not going through with the bladder scope, I am asymptomatic and feel it is not neccessary.   My onc called today, and said he is not concerned about my platlets....The Plastic surgeon is the one who is refusing to do my reconstructive surgery because of platlets.  My onc said he will talk to him and I am basically stable and safe to have surgery. Don't know if it will work, cuz I am told the plastic surgeon is a control freak, and has a rep for being unreasonable..  Take Care...Lori

  • journey4life
    journey4life Member Posts: 517
    edited February 2014

    Breezy - CONGRATS on being finished! 

  • PeggySull
    PeggySull Member Posts: 686
    edited February 2014

    Lori,

    Do you have a choice of PSs?  You shouldn't have to fight this hard at this stage of your treatment.  At the very least can you get a second opinion from another PS?

    Hugs,

    Peggy

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    Lori, my PS also had very strict guidelines (no caffeine for 6 months) - also my Breast Surgeon said my drains were ready to come out at 1 week, but Plastic Surgeon made me keep them for 2 weeks.  Regarding labs, my PCP wanted me to tell my Onc that my wbc was low.  I looked at the number, and it's been the same number for 2 years.  But I did take the report straight over to my Onc and he looked at it and said "you look great - those are your numbers and you are in excellent health!  It runs a little low on you because you do such intense exercises."  I think I've also read that Taxotere has a side effect in some people of a low wbc.  Then I called the PCP back to update him and he said "Oh I didn't think there was anything wrong, just wanted you to update him."  ((sigh))   LOL

  • simplelife4real
    simplelife4real Member Posts: 563
    edited February 2014

    Hi All,

    Just checking in.  I'm day 6 post op.  I had a LX and ALND and also had 30-year old sub pec implants removed.  I could have had the implants replaced, but decided against it.  I have three drains now and a torture compression garment around my chest.  I'm not sure which is worse, the drains or the compression garment.  I think I'll either be a AA cup or an A cup once everything healed.  Oh well....

    I might get my path results today.  I'm a little scared about that.  I know the neoadjuvant chemo did a lot of good, I just don't know if it did "pCR good".   

     I'm feeling a little like the bride of Frankenstein today....no hair and moving very stiffly.   All of this is temporary, I'm just ready  to get these drains out and the torture garment off!

    On the good news side, hubby and I went to our weekly ball room dance class yesterday.  It was nice to get out and have some fun even though I was moving very gingerly....and not like Ginger Rogers when I say I was moving gingerly!

    Stupidboob, I hope your knots turn out to be nothing.  

    Hugs,

    Kay

  • lizlori
    lizlori Member Posts: 148
    edited February 2014

    Yes, Peggy I am considering a different surgeon, if this guy cancels again (would be third time) I am done with this guy.   I was suppose to have this done back in October.

       Interesting stuff on this thread....so cool, glad to be back on...

  • adagio
    adagio Member Posts: 982
    edited February 2014

    simple life - wow, I am impressed that you went to your ballroom dancing class - good for you! Wishing you a speedy recovery and I bet you will feel much better once the torture garment is off - that must be soon!

  • LPBoston
    LPBoston Member Posts: 89
    edited February 2014

    Anyone on this thread that has had the Tram Flap Reconstruction?  I had it done last April and I seem to be going backwards in my recovery.  Having a lot of discomfort in my ribs and torso area.  I have never not been without the discomfort since the surgery but this seems to be a little different and has been acting up the past two weeks.  It is just wearing me down.  Emailed my BO and she told me to talk with my PS.  I am having a lot of anxiety about what it could be. I just had my tattooing done end of January and mentioned to the PS Assistant that I am still uncomfortable but it was before I was having this new type of discomfort .  She told me I should wait until April to call the PS because it wasn't quite a year.  I may be getting my self all worked up over nothing but I am really worried and will call the PS but is the PS going to order scans or anything?  He doesn't seem much into the cancer part of my recovery but doing what he does best.  I have a really good team in Boston at B&W and Dana Farber so I am a bit confused at the lack of concern.  The discomfort was before I was doing shoveling, can't seem to recall moving in a such a way I pulled something but who knows.  Would love to hear from someone that has had the Tram Flap Reconstruction.  I had it the same time I had the BMX.  Thanks!

  • LPBoston
    LPBoston Member Posts: 89
    edited February 2014

    Inspired - what is WBC?  I was allergic to the taxotere so just curious if my WBC is low - what ever that is!!!!  Thanks

  • LPBoston
    LPBoston Member Posts: 89
    edited February 2014

    Inspired I think I just figured it out - white blood count - mine were pretty normal as far as I know - nothing was mentioned to me during chemo this time but I do recall from the last time I had chemo it was mentioned that the blood counts were good

  • LPBoston
    LPBoston Member Posts: 89
    edited February 2014

    Simplelife you are amazing - I am still laughing you went ballroom dancing with your drains still in!! Kudos to you!!!

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    Simple, that is funny!  You did ballroom dancing with drains?  LOL  I bet that felt good to resume a normal activity!

    WBC is white blood count.  I've always been at the low end of normal since Taxotere, I clock in right on the edge of normal, which starts at 4.0. My Onc said this is normal for me. Even before the Taxotere, my wbc has never been much higher.  He said that is okay, normal is normal and for me not to try and make normal more normal.  

    LPBoston - Since your BS said to see your PS, then I would go ahead and go see your PS. I do think it's a good sign that your BS is not suspicious.  Your doctors probably all share the info about you electronically, and he probably knows that your most recent labs show everything normal, so they probably don't expect anything cancer related.  Your PS will feel things and move things around and he will have a real good idea of what is going on. Definitely go to him first. Also, you could have done something to strain yourself without realizing, such as:  have you flipped your mattress, tried to reach far up high for something, carried a grocery bag at a weird angle or pulled something heavy out of a cart without using your leg muscles first, driven for an extra long period of time, used a new vacuum or changed the vacuum bag (which makes it harder to push at first), etc. Definitely see your PS as soon as you can, but I really feel it is part of the healing process, maybe even some scar tissue building.  Are you supposed to do boob exercises?  I read on the internet sometimes they recommend 15 seconds of moving your boob first north, then south, then east, then west and holding each position for 15 seconds on a daily basis forever.  I did not have flap, but just wanted to chime in on some ideas for you.  If after meeting your PS you don't feel that things were investigated thoroughly or that there is not a good explanation that suits you, than it is okay to request an ultrasound or other screening measure at that time.  Whatever happens, do voice your opinion and keep going forward until you have confidence that the question mark has been answered.  Also could extreme cold weather have altered what you feel? I do think since the feeling has been there all this time (although at a different degree) that it's still related.  Maybe you are starting to get back even more sensation, as more swelling continues to go down, etc. If this was me, I would probably even try one of my standby muscle relaxers or pain pills to see if it just is a bit of inflammation going on.  If you decide to do so, run it by your doctor first. :)

  • LPBoston
    LPBoston Member Posts: 89
    edited February 2014

    Inspired - do we even know what normal is anymore???? 

    Thank you for all the guidance - you are a wise one (wise in knowledge that is)!!!! 

    I will call the PS but will try doing other types of exercising and stretching to see if I can't get myself out of this bind.  As for moving the boobs, he did tell me to massage them but I think it's just weird but that's just me so I don't as often as I should.  As for the cold yes maybe that is what it is as well - we have been hammered this winter with the cold and snow.  I am so looking forward to spring!!!!  It's going to be about 45 degrees today - I want to go to the beach!!!! Wishful thinking

    Have a great day!

  • FierceBluebird
    FierceBluebird Member Posts: 758
    edited February 2014

    Hello, I'm new to the group (so happy to have found it) but I first wanted to tell lpboston that I also am still developing weird aches and pains after flap surgery. Scar tissue continues to build up and after effects of radiation have tightened the area. It can be quite uncomfortable at times.

    Inspired, I will try the NSEW exercises. Thanks!

  • jenjenl
    jenjenl Member Posts: 948
    edited February 2014

    LPBoston - if you are having a hard time stretching the torso out I have found through PT that a pulley and a rope work wonders on keeping me stretched.  

    I have reached another family milestone....my son turned 4.  He is such a sweet and funny little guy.  He got a bike for his birthday and has been flying around the cul de sac since then. 

  • OneFineDay
    OneFineDay Member Posts: 9
    edited February 2014

    New to this thread.  Surgery, dbl mastectomy jan 29th, TE with one fill. I was diagnosed in August 2013 tnbc, dcis, 2b with one node biopsied positive. I am working with a teaching hospital and have the utmost confidence in their treatment plan for me. All the research I've done supports their plan for me. I had 4 dd a/c followed by 4dd Tax, I opted for the bilateral even though the left side was free and clear. My doc tried to do a test (not sure what it is called) during surgery, using a die inserted into the tumor to follow the die through the lymphatic system. Unfortunately the chemo had obliviated the natural flow of this system so my OS took the sentinel node and 6 ancillary nodes as a pre caution. I had tissue expanders inserted during surgery. My biopsy results showed clear margins on the tissue and nodes removed during surgery. The next course of treatment should be 5-6 wks of rads. However, I am a candidate for a clinical trial where some will receive rads and some will not. The theory is no rads are necessary with a mastectomy with clear margins.

    I am out here now looking at reoccurence stats and other opinions to decide if I want to be a part of the trial. I could save myself from unnecessary rad risks if the overall survival rate and reoccurence rate are going to be the same without as with rads. I am open to comment on this decision. 

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