Rockin' flatness like a bada$s

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bobogirl
bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777

Greetings to my sisters of double mastectomy, and to the people who love them!  This thread is being offered with the hope that flat women will gather and realize the power of rocking true flatness.  If you are living your life flat -- proudly and without apology -- or if you support those who do, this thread is for you.

Please note: we all love and support many women who rock all sorts of other looks: all types of recon, or foobs, or all types of uni-mx combinations.  I know that I support my friends in any path they choose to take.  The topic of this thread isn't meant to comment negatively on any other choice.  The topic of this thread, however, is to celebrate true and total flatness.

We will not start or finish fights on this thread about 'reconstruction,' nor will we offer advice, I hope, about whether or not to have recon sx.  Purists who never intended to 'reconstruct,' explanters -- anyone flat is welcome to this safe space. This thread is all about your greatness.  

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  • ziggypop
    ziggypop Member Posts: 1,071
    edited February 2014

    I may join ya'll someday - I ask myself often why I am bothering with the whole reconstruction thing. In the meantime, however, just wanted to say that I think flat is a great look & is very powerful -  I'm glad you are all rockin' it. 

  • geekyknitter
    geekyknitter Member Posts: 187
    edited February 2014

    I'm another one who isn't there yet, but has been pondering it.  To me, flat seems empowering.  I understand that for others, reconstruction might have similar meaning, but for me, I really think that embracing flatness without reconstruction and redefining myself as a woman would help me more than going through more surgeries and more recovery in order to have reconstructed breasts.

    I look forward to hearing more what others living this way have to say about it as I consider it as an option.  You all do rock!  :)

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited February 2014

    ....if i have another problem? i would be flat, very happily

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited February 2014

    I am there with you bobogirl, 3 years now. I dress without apology, I even wear snug shirts. I am not defining myself by breasts...but I do define myself by dressing girlie...make-up, scarves at times, lace, jewelry...

    I have 4 friends now, all 4 have had reconstruction and in all 4 cases, it went very wrong, multiple surgeries, infections, and me and my husband do not find the reconstructed look sexy or flattering. I do not think being flat is sexy or flattering ('scuse the pun :-) but I am more of a free spirit when I don't feel the bra bands hurting or see swelling due to a bra. Every bra goes right over my node extraction, it still hurts. The very last thing that I need is "place holders" stuck under my skin on my chest.

    Now aside from my ranting, I do respect if I were younger than 55 when this happened, I could have gone for reconstruction, I don't know. I did get my teeth fixed so I am not anti-fixing up. I just think, for me, after cancer, enough is enough and I want to look good while flat.


  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2014

    Flat(bilat) & loving it. Finding clothes is no problem. I was never one to show cleavage & often bothered by others who chose to. I make no attempt to hide being flat. At first I purchased loose shirts but they soon found their way to the Goodwill. My surgeon offered me a prescription for prostheses at my first post-op visit. I told her I wasn't interested. If I wear a swimsuit, I'm usually in the water doing something athletic & wear a 2 piece work out swimsuit. I have a cute bikini that I could still wear, just haven't had an opportunity. Running & gym clothes are easy to find for us flatees. I wear snug sweaters & t-shirts. I feel no need to camoflague things by wearing scarfs & large jewelry. I think I'm more comfortable & confident without breasts. My posture seems to have improved. Flatness works well for me.

  • grammaB
    grammaB Member Posts: 1,172
    edited February 2014

    Hi bobo,

    I have not for one moment doubted or wished I had done anything other than my BMX with no recon.  I did think I might want to wear foobs so got 2 sets and several bras.  I've tried them once or twice in the house and really don't like them.  I go every where flat and totally enjoy it!  I don't even try to camouflage my chest any more.  I have camis in almost every color you can imagine and wear them under my shirts or jacket depending on the weather.  I do like scarves and wear one sometimes. 

    In the very beginning, I was nervous that people would look at me and I was self conscious.  After about 3 trips out and about I came to the realization that no one noticed and no one cared.  It felt so freeing!  I love not having to wear bras!  I love not having to mess with prostheses!!  In fact I may be selling what I have on ebay some day soon.  

    I am so much more than my boobs, they did not define me, and I feel just as feminine now as I did before! I don't miss them either!  I find it kind of odd how easy it was for me to let them go.  My mom died from bc years ago, so it was always hanging over my head that I may get it. When it came to me I knew I was going to get it out of me asap.  I didn't want to have the second shoe drop by only doing a uni so I went straight to BMX. Maybe because I had already had a plan in my head is the reason this has gone so smoothly.   I am rocking the flat and love it!!

    Hugs!

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014

    i'm a high-risker & I've already decided that if I end up with MX I will not do reconstruction.

  • geekyknitter
    geekyknitter Member Posts: 187
    edited February 2014

    I live in Alaska where layers are year round and almost everyone looks like they're ready to run off into the woods on some adventure.  I think if you could rock the flat look anywhere, it would be here.  :)  No bras to worry about?  Sounds wonderful after spending a lifetime worrying about these overly big things hurting my back and threatening to kill me.  LOL

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014

    Geeky, bras are really miserable in high heat/humidity areas too, even with small breasts.

  • bobogirl
    bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777
    edited February 2014

    Welcome, all!  And hello to Melissa D and grammaB -- I know you guys from other threads.  Those who teeter at the brink of flatness -- should one more thing happen -- you are welcome here too.  I know how it feels to be fed up.  I'm sure many of us do.

    Coraleliz, I must say: You rock.  I completely agree regarding gym clothes, etc, and I am in the process of building my flat wardrobe.  When I first thought I was having mx sx, in April of last year, I bought one million (really pretty) scarves.  But I know now I'm not going to use them in that way.

    Right now I don't have much to wear to work, but that is soon remedied.  I had DDD breasts before and I couldn't rock my 'professional with a punk edge' look the way I really wanted to.  Now I'm going to h & m and gap to get some inexpensive tees and camis -- and they have these swingy over-camis with faux-leather straps -- and racerback things.  It's extremely hot here, summers, and there's going to be "nowhere to hide," so to speak, if one were inclined to hide, which I am not.

    Getting a swim shirt to wear with my lands end bottoms, and I'm going to rock that as well.  Will reserve bikini decision for after this March revision sx, since I don't quite know where scars will be.

    So happy to see all of you badas$es.

  • bobogirl
    bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777
    edited February 2014
  • Sunny_Girl
    Sunny_Girl Member Posts: 111
    edited February 2014

    I love this thread!  I'm 54 years old & had bmx July 2012 (Stage2b).  Never looked back - very large breasts before, hard to buy bra's, hard to find bra's to exercise in - clothes, the whole deal.  

    I keep waiting for that moment, that spark, when I'm going to think I want to have reconstruction - hasn't hit me yet, not sure it ever will.  I'm so thankful to be alive and with everyone on this forum.

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited February 2014

    So glad you started this Bobo!

    I agree, Ziggy, flat is so powerful! I think photos of women "Rocking The Flat" look amazing!

    I am a Uni, and have no issue with it foobed or foobless! If I ever had to lose lefty, I would be proud to "Rock the Flat" right along with you! M x

  • bobogirl
    bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777
    edited February 2014

    My outfit today (to teach at the college):

    - black EF waxed jeans (Eileen Fisher)

    - ash-colored viscose tank with black thin tank underneath

    - white shirt, left open, collar flipped up a little bit

    - mala beads on wrist

    - giant clogs

    My boss must notice my DDD breasts are missing, but does not have the guts to say anything.  XXX

  • jsjherman
    jsjherman Member Posts: 170
    edited February 2014

    I am meeting with a surgeon on Monday and am not sure if I want the recon or not. I am BRCA1 pos and concerned with family history that the lump I have will turn to cancer eventually. My mom is a uni (31 yr) and for the most part has been happy that she wasn't able to have the recon. My dad always told her the one she had left was bigger than what most people had altogether and he loved her irregardless. I watched my aunt struggle with her flap recon and my cousin has felt liberated by her implant recon so, I have seen all sides. My husband has told me it doesn't matter to him what I choose, as long as we grow old together. Thank you for this thread where I could read your stories and gather insight to help me decide what to do. You ladies rock and are my heroes (as all survivors are!).

  • bobogirl
    bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777
    edited February 2014

    jsjherman:

    Thinking of you.  We will be here rockin' it while you think things over... just know you are enough, whatever you decide to do.

    XXX

  • grammaB
    grammaB Member Posts: 1,172
    edited February 2014

    bobo, that outfit rocks!!!  Sounds like your punk side is re-emerging!  Good for you!

  • bobogirl
    bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777
    edited February 2014

    Rock on, sisters!  All do not need my permission, of course, to employ any type of foob or cami combination, but you can also rock flatness.

    My outfit today:

    gray and white striped gap body tank (v comfortable)

    white 'supersoft' gap longsleeved t-shirt (v soft)

    soft gray h & m fine-knit cardigan ($9.99).  It's one of those open sweaters with wings; I wrapped it closed and then cinched with a 

    brown belt (a little higher than waist-level, Diane Keaton-style)

    indigo EF jeans (Eileen Fisher)

    mala beads

    fluffy socks

    and my same clogs

  • bobogirl
    bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777
    edited February 2014

    Crystalphm: Girl.  You rock those snug shirts!  Agree regarding your friends.  The success rates on that, the percentages the PSs quote, seem off to me.  The rate you experience in your first-hand research seems a little closer to accurate.

    Agree also regarding girlieness.  Chopped my hair for BMX so I could wash it, but now I'm growing it out.

  • Bluetail
    Bluetail Member Posts: 52
    edited February 2014

    So there i am, cooling my heels for 45 minutes in the plastic surgeon's office, leafing through the before-'n-after brochure very much on the fence about whether to go the reconstruction route after my scheduled BMX last year.  I thought, 'i'm 65 years old.  Married.  What do i care about what people think when they look at my chest?'  And then i had the 'aha' moment and thought that what i REALLY wanted, as long as i'm talking to a plastic surgeon, is a face lift.  Too bad no insurance covers it although it has to be a hell of a lot cheaper than the DIEP flap procedure or maybe even TEs/implants.  No reconstruction for me, but, alas, no face lift either; and i am very happy with my decision.

    Thanks for starting this thread, bobogirl, and i hope it stays very active!!

  • grammaB
    grammaB Member Posts: 1,172
    edited February 2014

    LOL, Bluetail!!  I love it!!  Rather a face lift than recon!! Perfect!

  • Fiaranch1
    Fiaranch1 Member Posts: 328
    edited February 2014

    image

    Bobo , This one is  for you !!!! Not punk but definitely appropriate .  I wonder if she made that juice with her vitamix !!!
  • bobogirl
    bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777
    edited February 2014

    Fiaranch, I love my picture!  *blushing*  TRUE CONFESSION: Sometimes I am just approximating being awesome.

    Bluetail: you rock!  F0ck those people who look at the chests of my sisters for their own curiosity and gossip fact-finding!  We are going to swear a lot on this thread.  I believe the mods will smile down on us.  'Reconstruction'?  Are you going to 'construct' my breasts again?  And for whom?  Too bad we are not PSs with an emphasis on 'reconstruction'; if we were, we could afford all the face-lifts we want.

    Okay, so you can't afford a face-lift at the moment.  How about some yoga?  That is my plan for not needing a face-lift.  Have you ever seen a bad-looking older yoga teacher?  No, you have not.  How about some yoga, while at the same time auto-saving in a special account for some facework?  Anything can happen.  Plus, I believe actual lifts are going out of style: you could have all kinds of other things.  It is in my More magazine.

    F0ck everyone in advance at my daughter's school who plans to sneak looks at me as I work the dessert buffet table during the children's circus event!  Nothing to do about this but overpower them with a f0ck-you ensemble.  Also I am considering getting punk-style manicures.  Usually I only do my toes.  I have felt in the past I cannot breathe when my fingers are done. But severe times call for severe measures.  Have ordered some (more) punk nail polish from Sephora: really gobsmacking colors.

    Hmm.  What shall I wear today?  TRUE CONFESSION: I actually want to wear pajamas.

    XXX

  • bobogirl
    bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777
    edited February 2014

    Welcome, SunnyGirl.  You rock!  And you are up very late nights; I think that makes you extra-edgy :)

  • ndgirl
    ndgirl Member Posts: 986
    edited February 2014

    Bobo, really wondering what you are wearing to the school event today! Love your descriptions of clothes so far... you are the best! Cant imagine you could look bad in anything you put on.. especially w/o boobs! who care what anyone else thinks about our body parts!! Have fun, sneak some good desserts and enjoy the day with kids.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited February 2014

    YES....flat is awesome.   I have not regretted it once.   

  • bobogirl
    bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777
    edited February 2014

    Hey pip!

    ND, just for you: what I wore to the school circus event:

    h & m maxi dress -- it's new -- gunmetal color, with a slit showing my back, no bra, obviously.  It was twelve dollars on sale!  I know it will not last forever.

    Birkenstocks

    blue pedicure

    sunglasses

    Many people snuck looks at my total flatness.  People I know.  One mother stood up from tying a shoe, she was face-first right in front of my flat chest, she said hello, not meeting my eyes, and hurried away.  All afternoon I had to concentrate on keeping my arms by my side rather than crossing them over my chest.  Get a good look, as$holes!  

  • bobogirl
    bobogirl Member Posts: 2,777
    edited February 2014

    And I did sneak a vegan cowboy cookie.

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited February 2014

    I'm 49, and had my BMX in October. 

    I toyed with the idea of reconstruction. No, I lie. I rejected the idea outright and my husband agreed with me 100%.

    My only issue at this point is that I need to lose enough weight so that my tummy isn't the first thing that enters the room--something I guess I can worry about after I'm done with chemo and rads. After that, I think I'll be more than happy to rock the flat look. I'm already more than happy to not worry about bras. I always did hate those things.

    In the meantime I'm still wearing the loose camouflaging clothes, but part of that is because that's what I was already wearing so that's what I HAVE. I'm going to have to figure out what my new "style" is, but I'm hoping my hair grows back in snow white so that I can easily dye it in Easter Egg colors....I think pale green and lavender would be perfect for my complexion.

  • 16Christine
    16Christine Member Posts: 23
    edited February 2014

    Lisa, I agree, being flat is a great motivator to lose weight and keep what's left in shape. Still, easier said than done. I've stopped gaining but can't seem to lose the 10 pounds that I'd like gone.

    bobogirl and everyone else --

    I went two years as a uniboober with foob, but gradually just quit wearing any bra-like thing. Even light bras pinched and caused swelling where nodes were removed.

    I like LL Bean layering tank tops as a first layer. Then a 3/4 sleeve tee over that, or a shirt, and/or a sweater.  I've looked at Still You, but I suspect I would not wear their foobs very much.

    The only person I caught looking was a sales rep from Active Life who I met incidentally at PT. So I'm not buying anything from her.

    An occasional strange man still talks to me in the grocery store, so I must pass some kind of female test, even flat and with no estrogen to speak of.

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