Bringing in 2014 with Tamoxifen!

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  • Lav
    Lav Member Posts: 65
    edited February 2014

    Thanks ycats.  Atleast the fevers gone still down with the cough though.  Yes im uptodate with all my vaccinations.  Infact Im very paranoid when it comes to getting vaccinations on time.  I guess my immune system must be really low as there are no outbreaks as such that it was that easy to catch.  

    Kristinaj I had depression during my 2nd week of tamox. It was bad Id just cry and feel like the end of d world but it got better and in a week. 

    Its beem nearly two months for you I think it should have become better by now.  Ive read a few that take antidepressants along with tamox.  Maybe that should help.  I just try to keep myself busy and around people that helps.  Goodluck and I hope you feel better soon

  • Kruise
    Kruise Member Posts: 330
    edited February 2014

    hi ladies

    Lav hope you are on the mend now you poor thing. 

    Kristinaj - just want to give you a big hug ((((xox)))). Don't beat yourself up about having the bad days and crying. Hopefully your doc is right and given some more time the anti depressant will kick in and you'll start to feel so much better. I reckon even if I wasn't on Tamox I'd still be having days where I felt down and depressed. It's a huge thing we went through ladies!!!! 

    I made a photo album from last year - which includes pics from before my diagnosis through family holidays, surgeries, chemo treatments, no hair, bugger all hair, wigs, more holidays, radiation and finally Xmas with my family. After it was done and I looked through it Zi balled my eyes out - was this really me? Has this really happened? Will I ever be me again? Will I ever be healthy and well again? Will I be able to live life putting aside fear?? It was hugely emotional!!

    I'm still having hot flashes too....some days worse than others. Yep clothing layers are great but I feel like I'm constantly taking a cardigan off, putting it on, taking it off, putting it on!! Lol

    I really feel for you ladies that are suffering more side effects also. If you can, please do go and see a naturopath or herbalist - the body may be lacking in other vitamins or nutrients and they'll be able to help. It may be that the liver is just finding processing everything after all those treatments hard work so some detoxing might help. 

    Love to all 

    K x

  • corky60
    corky60 Member Posts: 726
    edited February 2014

    After having taken Aromasin for less than six months I will be switching to Tamoxifen as soon as it comes in the mail.  I hope to have less SEs on it and am pretty sure that Tamoxifen will be easier on bone density.

  • annika12
    annika12 Member Posts: 433
    edited February 2014

    im joining you ladies !!!! Well on Monday.....I picked up the bottle but me and my hubby have fun with plans for Saturday and I'm afraid they will make me sick :( Since chemo I'm so very sensitive !!!  

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited February 2014

    Welcome to this thread Annika12!

  • woodyhollow
    woodyhollow Member Posts: 116
    edited February 2014

    Hi all, nice meeting you on this thread. Started Tamoxifen 5 days ago, carried the script around with me for 2 months before I finally got  it. Onc wanted me to start it when I started my rads but I felt my body had enough to cope with, one thing at a time...so now the radiation burns have healed it's time to do this thing. 

    Had a lot of doubts about it in the first place reading all the info about it, but seems the pros outweigh the cons at the moment. 

    Not sure where I'm at with menopause as I had a Mirena IUD so my periods actually stopped a year or so ago and haven't come back. Think the chemo definitely put me into menopause as I've had hot flushes since - always a source of mirth for my family when I start stripping off because I'm absolutely cooking.

    Only SE so far from Tam is constipation:( but maybe it's still early days. Hope to get my body in better shape and improve my nutrition further cause I believe that a super immune system is the solution to keeping the old cancer at bay.

  • Kruise
    Kruise Member Posts: 330
    edited February 2014

    Welcome Corky, Annika and Woody!

    Corky will be interesting to see how you go with the Tamox instead - keep us posted. I know my onc talked about possibly swapping me over from Tamox to an AI down the track - but doesn't sound like they are really any better.

    Have a great weekend Annika with your hubby and once you start on Monday tell us how your week went.

    I was like you Woody and had my script for about 6-7 weeks before I started. Sometimes just starting is the hardest part! I too had a Mirena for 18 months before getting bc - I reckon it contributed to my bc taking off - as my tumour had a small progesterone receptor only and the Mirena releases small amounts of progesterone into the body. All the docs say that the amounts aren't big enough to cause the bc to grow - but I think that any extra hormone can do anything - our bodies are pretty sensitive really. Anyway I still kept getting my period with my Mirena but I know I am definitely going through or been through menopause now. 

    Hopefully your constipation s/e has gone now and just be prepared to keep on 'cooking' with those hot flashes. :-)

  • JWoo
    JWoo Member Posts: 1,171
    edited February 2014

    A big welcome to all of you new ladies! I hope Tam is not terrible for any of you. 

    A question for all: I started getting little red dots on my arms during chemo, and keep getting more and more all over. My onc. isn't worried about them, she referred me to dermatology, they said as long as my blood counts are good (which they are) that it may just be a harmless side effect. But to me, leaking blood under the skin seems like it should be more of a concern to my doctors. I mean- they are super tiny, but they are all over, and I get more every day. Is anyone else having this side effect?

    - jeni

  • Salina888
    Salina888 Member Posts: 96
    edited February 2014


    I started Tamoxifen January 1, 2014.  The only side effect so far is the hot flashes! Hopefully they will go away within a year or 2?  Oncologist suggest 10 years on Tamoxifen.  Are you guys on the same regimen?

  • Kruise
    Kruise Member Posts: 330
    edited February 2014

    jWoo - that is a horrible s/e you are getting - and you know it's not normal for you but the docs seem non-plussed. Are the little red dots that appeared first clearing up at all? Does anything seem to help? It definitely sounds like a type of delayed reaction on your skin - so hopefully given a bit more time they clear up. 

    Salina I am not sure about my time frames with Tamox or an AI down the track. Being on something for ten years tho sounds good at this point in time to me tho :-) means we're all going to be around for that long and then some :-)

    Hope everything has or is having a good weekend.

  • woodyhollow
    woodyhollow Member Posts: 116
    edited February 2014

    H i Salina, onc suggested 2 years on Tam for me. I. think its got to do with where you are in your menstrual cycle. I think she suspects that I will be fully menopausal in 2 years and will then switch over to aromatase inhibitors.

  • Salina888
    Salina888 Member Posts: 96
    edited February 2014


    Hi Woodyhollow!  Onc originally said 5 years, but there's a new study that says 10 years is better.  I'm 43, so I'm not sure when or if he'd switch me over, but I haven't had my period since the 2nd session of chemo. 

  • woodyhollow
    woodyhollow Member Posts: 116
    edited February 2014

    Hi Salina,

    I'm 51, so that might be the difference...

    now a week and a half on Tamoxifen and no significant SE yet, except the constipation is still lingering:)

  • Kruise
    Kruise Member Posts: 330
    edited February 2014

    Are you drinking plenty of water Woody??? I'm sure you are :-) Good that you aren't suffering any other side effects yet.

    Salina - I am 45 and haven't had a period since April last year (I started AC chemo in March) but onc still told me I could reboot...lol. I seriously doubted it then and even more so now. So menopause has fallen abruptly upon me - another thing to cope with. If it's any consolation the Ancient Greeks or something believed that the age you went through menopause is the age you'd stay looking like forever - so the younger the better :-) Ahhh if only......

    A friend sent me a link to something tonight on Facebook called 'Ladycare for Menopause'. Haven't checked it out properly yet but it says drug free symptom relief etc - some kind of gadget you wear. Might need further investigation. Some days my hot flashes are fine and others are just constant. Awful!

    How is everybody else going so far? Do you have a system for remembering to take it or a phone alarm? Mine is a bit of both.

    K x

  • L2girl
    L2girl Member Posts: 113
    edited February 2014

    hi kruise, 

    I will join your group, since I started tamoxifen in January. It has been almost 6 weeks. No real side effects I'm aware of, but one thing that I'm wondering about. My nose has been stuffed up, and dry every single day, all day long for the past 6 weeks. And every time I blow it, there is blood. At first I wondered if it was just allergies, but my allergy nasal spray doesn't make a difference. Or maybe I have some type of sinus infection, but my sinuses don't hurt and I don't feel ill. Just stuffy and swollen,

    I was wondering if this is possibly a tamoxifen side effect. Has anyone else experienced this? 

    Other than that I have had increased breast pain, which seems to be getting slightly less the past few days. And of course that stupid lump I need to get checked out when I see my MO in a few weeks.

    I have been trying to take my pill at lunch time every day, but the problem is I get busy at work and my lunchtime is different all the time. So, I have been very often late or or irregular at taking it. I also completely forgot it one day. I do use a pill minder box. It is a necessity. Doesn't help when I'm at work. I think I will try to change to taking it when I first wake up, so I  can be more consistent.

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited February 2014

    Hi All,

    Are you all new Tamoxifen users? I've been on it for 5 years and my Onc wants to discuss (at my appt in April) moving to an AI for 5 years, or staying on Tamoxifen for another 5 years.

    Have any of you here been on Tamoxifen for more than 5 years?

  • Stenokim
    Stenokim Member Posts: 172
    edited February 2014

    I'm aboard.  I started the end of January. So far, so good.  No side effects for me.  Maybe a slight ovary cramping, but that's about it.  Kinda had that during ovulation time anyway, just lasts a little longer.  Im47 and premenopausal.  I take mine around 6:00 in the evening.  Good luck and prayers to you all.

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited February 2014

    L2girl, I've had a very dry stuffy nose as well. And it's been on and off bloody for months.  It's not an uncommon affliction in Alaska this time of year tho so hard to say if Tamoxefin has anything to do with it.  I have noticed some intermittent breast pain tho and soreness in the incission scars.

    Welcome to the newbies! I love popping on here to see how things are going.  My main side effect is hot flashes and being 50 now I'm hoping my periods don't come back!

  • Salina888
    Salina888 Member Posts: 96
    edited February 2014

    I heard Tamoxifen dries you out, I noticed my lips started to get dry, and I'm constantly putting on Burt's Bees Chapstick, which I love!  I have one next to my bed, next to my recliner, and in my bag at all times! I even use when my nose is feeling dry, works awesome!  I try to drink at least 48 oz of water a day, and I have a glass next to my bed at all times. It sucks that I get up to use the bathroom like 3 or more times a night, but the good thing is I can fall asleep right away.  I also switched over to biotene toothpaste and mouthwash.  It seems to work because I haven't had a nosebleed or dry lips or mouth since chemo.  

  • Kruise
    Kruise Member Posts: 330
    edited February 2014

    I haven't noticed the dry nose stuff - hope that clears up for you L2Girl.

    Welcome Stenokim - glad to hear you are going well so far.

    We are pretty much all newbies to tamoxifen Springtime. Congrats on your 5 years! Any advice for us newbies with taking it?

    KatiAK my biggest symptom is hot flushes too. Boy I'm getting sick of them. I just seem to be getting more of them not less - and I end up just dripping on my forehead. Have had a couple night sweats again lately too. Happy happy joy joy!

    On the plus side my diet and exercise regime is going well. I'm making exercise a priority and doing the Sugar Detox diet now - still on the hard out bit at the moment - no sugar which includes no fruit either. Just a bit of lemon in water is all that's permitted during this first stage. Plus lots of veges, eggs, lean protein, nuts  etc. :-) at least getting a day or two done inspires you to keep going with it. 

  • Ktjay
    Ktjay Member Posts: 64
    edited February 2014

    Hi Ladies, I am new to this site, but I am jumping on the tamoxifen band wagon.  I was started on it last week and so far so good.  I am on it while I am waiting for my surgery.  So far so good, have not really noticed anything, but I figure it is still too early to tell. 

  • Salina888
    Salina888 Member Posts: 96
    edited February 2014

    Hi Ktjay! I've been on Tamoxifen for 2 1/2 months, and it felt the same as when I started on day 1, so hopefully that is how it will stay! :)


     

  • L2girl
    L2girl Member Posts: 113
    edited February 2014

    thanks for answering, salina888 and katieAK. I too have noticed my mouth is dry, and lips. Maybe this is related to tamoxifen, or maybe just coincidence. I have been outside a lot. I have stepped up my exercise routine quite a bit. I am now walking briskly twice a day, 30 minutes each, for a total of 4 miles. And eating much better, too. I have lost about 5 lbs. so far.

    Kruise, interesting about your no sugar diet.

  • JWoo
    JWoo Member Posts: 1,171
    edited February 2014

    Hi all! and welcome to the group everyone!

     Kruise, they are not going away, and I get more every day. they are pin head sized blood spots right under the skin. Totally weird. No bumps, no itch, no regular rash kind of reaction, just leaking blood. I have done some more searching, and apparently it happens sometimes. It isn't supposed to be dangerous unless my counts start coming back low. So I will just keep on with it. 

    I get dehydrated if I am not careful because i just forget to drink and looooooooove coffee, so set an alarm reminder on my iCal for every 2 hours while I am awake that just says WATER! and I then grab a pint glass and down it. It is less than what I had to drink during chemo, but I still have to pee 100 times a day. Keeping those kidneys workin!

    Also, I noticed that my feet and urine have a pungent odor no matter what I do, or how much water I drink. I wash my feet in mint soap, rub pep oil in them, use powder, don't wear closed toe shoes hardly ever, I am not sure what to do. It is embarrassing!

    As far as the lip/mouth dryness, mine isn't too bad, I use Dr. Bronners lip balm at night and slather it on, and Biotine mouth wash at night. they help a lot. So far that is the best lip balm i have found. i love it!

    And of course the hot flashes, night sweats, and bone/joint pain are not going away yet. I just keep hoping. 

    All I gotta say is- after all this- this ER+ cancer better not come back or i will be seriously angry! 

    I know there are not many options for my 3neg, so kind of expect that to come back one day unless they come up with some thing quick. 

    Good luck everyone!

  • Brownsand
    Brownsand Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2014

    Hello Ladies -- thank you for all the great advise.  This is my very first forum that I joined.  To make a very long story a bit shorter -- I was  diagnosed with DCIS in my left breast in 7/13. When my absolutely ANGEL of a surgeon wanted to make absolutely sure that there wasn't anything else in my right breast other than previously diagnosed ADH and recommended an MRI. SURPRISE SURPRISE!  They found three small lumps (never seen before in my many mammos and USs after biopsies). One more US biopsy and b/c they still couldn't find one in the right breast With the US -- I had an MRI guided biopsy. Two were negative and one in my right breast was IDC.  WOW!!  Devastation!!!  I immediately decided on a bilateral mastectomy with immediate recon. Didn't want to keep this monkey on my back for the rest of my life. I was EXTREMELY fortunate that it had not spread. I am scheduled for my exchange surgery on 2/26/14!!!!  Finally!  Excited and petrified all at the same time. I hate these horrible boulders in my chest. Hopefully -- all goes well!!  I am getting the "gummy bear" implants. Any thoughts on that?  Also, I am due to start taking the dreaded tamoxifin about a week after surgery. I am scared sh!tless of all the potential SE!!!!!   I switched over from Lexapro to Effexor to maybe control hot flashes/night sweats. I was also told by my gyn that Zyrtec works as well. Anyone else hear this?  Thank you all again for your encouraging and kind words. 

  • Veronica37
    Veronica37 Member Posts: 71
    edited February 2014

    Hello ladies. I started tamoxifan this Monday, so far so good. My question is: having TE exchange surgery march 21. Both MO and BS don't feel I need to stop tamoxifan prior to surgery ( resume after). I am concerned about increased risk of blood clots. Any one have this experience?

  • Salina888
    Salina888 Member Posts: 96
    edited February 2014

    Veronica,

    I was on Tamoxifen for one month before my TE exchange, and I asked my plastic surgeon the same question.  He said it wasn't a problem.  I'm 3 weeks post surgery and I had no problems. 

  • annika12
    annika12 Member Posts: 433
    edited February 2014

    my bottle is still sitting untouched on the counter but after another long talk to my MO today I'm starting tomorrow !! I just needed to get clarified why when the cancer was er- and very slightly PR+  Boy I'm sick of making life decisions :( I just wanna be ME again. But it made sense when he said chemo is a short term high risk treatment and tamoxafen is long term low risk !!! So here is to a long healthy cancer free life with no SE  

  • woodyhollow
    woodyhollow Member Posts: 116
    edited February 2014

    hi all, well it's 2 weeks on Tamoxifen now and no new side effects that I've noticed, just wish my hair would grow back faster! 

    Annika I can so understand that you're sick of making life decisions as you always seem to be caught between a rock and hard place. If you look at the research there is always other research thathas other findings etc, wasn't it all so much easier when you didn't have to think about your own life and death situations on a regular basis...

    For me, now that active treatment is over,it feels strange and that all this stuff that happened last year with the mastectomy and the chemo happened to somebody else...right now I'm just the same as I was before diagnosis (but with less hair, one nipple missing and a few scars added), life goes on and I feel lucky.

  • annika12
    annika12 Member Posts: 433
    edited February 2014

    I did it :) I was a good patient and swallowed that stinkin little pill lol !! picking up a pillbox today since I know I will go " did I take it this morning or not ??" 

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