February 2014 Starting Chemo Club

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  • Njmom3
    Njmom3 Member Posts: 143
    edited February 2014

    I can't believe tomorrow is my big chemo day!  I always thought as my wedding or birth of my children as a big day, not this...  I am scared but ready to have one tx behind me!

    Yes Lago port does feel funny. My neck hurts can't really turn it all the way, a little sore near the port but the tube? Thing going up my neck hurts worse. Steri strips stayed on in the shower yay!  

    Sicilian checking out those sites now, I've been looking for a good etsy one.

    Thanks Melrose for the Emla tips, definitely will be using the Saran tomorrow!

    Sorry siniberry that you have to be here, but you will get the BEST info from the ladies here!  feel free to fire away the questions, the veterans has all the knowledge.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    FOR THOSE HAVING FIRST TREATMENTS of CYTOXAN/TAXOTERE:  Hope this helps.  The first treatment may take longer because you are still learning the infusion center procedure.  You will probably get weighed and then your blood work may be taken to determine if your WBC is high enough for the treatment.  I also see my onco the day of my treatment and before I have my treatment.  So be prepared for things to take a little longer.  You may want to take some snacks/sandwich because you may get hungry.  You may also want to take a blanket/jacket to keep you warm during the treatment unless the infusion center has warmed blankets for its patients.  I'm lucky that mine does.  I usually wear the same outfit--- leggings & long sleeve knit shirt & men's undershirt--- so I can tell if I've gained weight between treatments.  I had my Taxotere infusion first and then have the Cytoxan infusion second.  Make sure you drink water/eat ice during the treatment to help prevent mouth sores and to start flushing that chemo through your body.  You will sit the entire time during the Taxotere infusion if  you are icing your nails ( finger and toe nails).  However you definitely can get up and walk around with your IV pole during the Cytoxan.  That means don't curtail your fluid intake thinking that you can't use the restroom because you can definitely get up to take a walk or go to the restroom!!!!  Just ask the infusion nurse to unplug your IV pole from the electric plug.  My onco ordered Ativan in my IV along with the usual IV meds which helps me keep calm during my treatments.

    ·  After the first treatment, keep drinking the fluids to help flush the chemo out of your body.  I know you may not feel like eating but try to eat 5-6 small meals every day.  A fed tummy is a happy tummy.  If your side effects start to escalate, call your onco to get some help asap.  Doesn't matter what time of day it is or what day of the week it is, just call.  They really want to help you get side effects under control and expect you to call. 

    ·  GOOD LUCK ON THE FIRST TREATMENT!!!  WISHING MINIMAL SIDE EFFECTS FOR ALL!!!!  YOU CAN DO THIS.  Once you get through the first one, you need to say out loud " I AM DOING THIS!!!!"


  • princessrn
    princessrn Member Posts: 370
    edited February 2014

    Hello ladies!

    NJmom3 I got my port with my lumpectomy surgery, a twofer!  It was tender for 4-5 days.  Mine is very superficial as well. The Emla should be on as long as you can..like ideally 2 hours.  And the darker the skin, it seemed that it took longer to numb up. I did not use them for accessing when I did it but I did when I worked in Pediatrics and we left it on as long as we could.

    I am with a bunch of you, I start 2-20.

    Lago... the lady I am going to see is LE PT, so I am happy about that and long time experience. I am thinking good thoughts.

  • h0pe
    h0pe Member Posts: 125
    edited February 2014

    Hi All - I'm glad to hear a lot of you are recovering from your first round. My first AC is on Friday - yikes! 

    Just wanted to remind you in addition to the water, drink something with electrolytes also. I don't like the taste of gatorade, so I loaded up on vitamin water.

    Question - any suggestions for eyebrows/eyelashes? Are any of you getting glue-on eyebrows or eyelashes?

    Will keep you all posted on how things go or if I hear any other tips!

  • h0pe
    h0pe Member Posts: 125
    edited February 2014

    Forgot one more question - when you guys got your Neulasta shots the day after, did you also get IV fluids?  I was going to do the shot myself at home, but am thinking it might be worth the drive if they also give you IV fluids.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    h0pe my DH (dear husband) gave me my shot at home. You will be keeping the Nuelasta in the fridge but I recommend letting it sit out for about 20 minutes before you inject. It stings when it's cold. 

    For eyebrows I used (and still do to fill in) Anastasia Brow Duo. I bought my at Ulta (I use the Ebony duo) but any major department store should have it. Sephora does but they might not have all the colors. It's a  powder and looks very natural. I even got my mom to use it. The do have stencils if you need it. You will need a small slanted eyebrow brush too.

    My eyebrows and lashes never fell out completely. Also I wear eyeliner so no one really notices the missing lashes that much. I also have big eyes so that helped to.

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    Also soup counts as fluids just don't eat real salty stuff. Soup will help not mess up electrolytes

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    I did not get any fluids the day after chemo at the time I received my Neulasta shot.  Here is what happened when I got my Neulasta shot.  The infusion nurse would have me hold the shot in my hand for a while to warm it up since it was kept in the refrigerator.  Then she would inject the shot in my tummy since I have more body fat there than on my arm and I didn't want my arm to be sore after having the shot.  She would inject it slowly since it can hurt if you inject fast.  At the first injection, I had to wait 20-30 minutes before I could leave the infusion center since they wanted to make sure that I didn't have any kind of immediate reaction.  As for why I opted for the tummy, I asked if I could have it there and the nurses told me that I could. 

    Don't forget about the taking the regular 24 hour Claritin ( NOT Claritin D) to help prevent the bone pain from the Neulasta.  I took it the morning of my afternoon Neulasta shot for 8 days.

  • h0pe
    h0pe Member Posts: 125
    edited February 2014

    Thank you, Lago & Melrose!

    Forgot to also mention, I got introduced to the Lindi skincare line, which is made for chemo patients. It is supposed to be extra rich, moisturizing. Will let you know if I try and if it works! Good night!

  • Atiteca
    Atiteca Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2014

    I've got an hour to kill while I sit here waiting for the PET contrast to work it's way through my system. I'm in Atlanta and hoping I can get all of my tests and port in today before the big ice storm! I really hope that I don't have to postpone my chemo start date due to weather :( . It is supposed to be Thurs. Thanks soooo much to all of you for all of the great tips on prepping for the first treatment and makeup and headscarf shopping sites. I saw some special nail polish online for chemo patients, does it have to be a special kind or is it just important to keep them painted?

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    I just wore clear so they wouldn't chip. If you decide to get your fingers manicured on chemo bring your own tools... but to be honest I would stay away from those places. It's a germ spa over there.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited February 2014


    Please explain about the nail polish....does this help with something?

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    Your nails become brittle so it helps them from chipping/breaking. Also some say using black polish helps them from lifting... I found it did not but if you choose to do that I recommend putting a clear base coat because the black is really hard to get off nails that have been dried out from chemo.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    My onco recommended Sallie Hansen Hard As Nails Clear.  I tried it but found it just chipped off too easily.  I switched to Essie Bottom and Top Coat base ( looks transludent blue in the little bottle) and sometimes used a light clear pink called Mademoiselle.   I had a nail check at my onco appts so I needed to make sure that my onco could see what was happening to my nails.   I kept my nails short and made sure I did not use my fingernails as tools to open cardboard boxes and as a staple remover.  I also used rubber gloves when washing dishes and cleaning house with cleaners.  I know it may be overkill and there are no written rules about the nail care.  Just have to do what works best for you.

  • formydaughter
    formydaughter Member Posts: 213
    edited February 2014

    Thank you for the uplifting well wishes!  I did it.  Had my first TCHP regimen yesterday.  I was there 9:30am until 6pm.  I started the day in tears, with major anxiety about the chemo, the drugs for the SE's (I did not think that they were the right ones for me), and totally wired from the Dex steriod - no sleep the night before chemo despite Ambien and Ativan...  I was in my doctor's office.  Poor staff having to deal with hysterical me.  My port was new.  It is really bruised and was really sore even through the Lidocaine.  My chemo nurse gave me the option of using my good arm instead, but I opted for the port (might as well get mileage out of it since I went to the trouble of putting it in (and yes, mine has hard tubing above it too.  I can't yet tell what sticks out because I am still to swollen.)  I luckily was given a private infusion room - likely they didn't want me to upset the other patients.  Also, in order to access my port, I had to undo my post mastectomy binder bra.  It was too tight over the painful new port to rehook it with the IV plugged into it and they needed the access open to monitor the flow and change out the tubing for the different agents.  So, I had my breast showing a lot.  I particularly did not want the 70 yr. old men in the infusion area to stare at my chest all day!

    We started with saline, Benedryl, Tylenol and Aloxi (anti-nausea).  I got the Herceptin first, Perjeta second - they worked me into it.  This surprised me - I had thought that they would come last.  Then the Taxotere came.  I had the weirdest reaction - my ice water felt cold in my hand and mouth, but when I swallowed it, it was hot going down.  They had to look up that SE - rare.  It went away a few minutes later.  Then my throat started constricting, so they had to stop the infusion for awhile, have the doctor look at me, and resume it slower.  They said that this is common and the Dex steroid and Benedryl help.  The Carboplatin went last.  It was scary looking up and seeing these bags of toxin pouring into my heart.  I kept trying to think about it chasing down my cancer cells and killing them.  I've been watching Dexter on Netflix lately - kind of made my mental imaging a bit graphic - but whatever I could grab onto...

    I arrived home exhausted.  Bought an eyebrow pencil for the first time while waiting for Rx on the way home.  Have no idea how to use it - might try the stencil idea to avoid looking like Oscar the Grouch.  I was told to expect flu like symptoms from the loading dose of the Herceptin.  I think that they are coming today.  Nausea has been pretty good so far.  The Aloxi is supposed to last 3 days.  I'm eating small snacks to stay ahead of the nausea as well.  So far so good.  Last night I had another allergic rxn.  My cheeks and upper chest turned bright red and were hot to the touch (with a below norm temp - though I'm taking Percocet so the Tylenol in that might be erasing some fever).  My throat started closing up.  I was alone with my 8 yr. old daughter, and was afraid to go to sleep, because I was afraid that I wouldn't be able to call for help if it got worse.  I called the onco on call at the hospital.  He had me take more of the steroid and more Benedryl.  It helped.  I took an Ambien and finally slept around 3:30am until 6am.  I'm hoping someone can stay with us tonight.

    Today I'm really dizzy and just feel plain weird.  I can tell that my body has no idea what to do with this stuff in it and is trying to metabolize it.  I'm starting to bloat a lot (I really hope that this goes away) and think that the flu like symptoms are coming.  Ready with the Immodium.  I'm also really brain foggy.  Might be from the lack of sleep lately, but who knows at this point with all the new substances running around in me.

    But I did it.  I have to be proud of that.  It seems surreal saying "I had chemo."  Can this really be me?  Can this really be my new reality? 

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    formydaughter- I just read your post.  You may want to call your onco because of the reaction you had last night on your cheeks and upper chest.  You may be having an allergic reaction to the chemo and need to have it checked out by your onco.  As for the sleeping and Decadron steroid, the Decadron does wire you up and being unable to fall asleep can one feel anxious.  I learned to not fret about not sleeping and would watch mindless tv on the couch.  I knew that I would eventually fall asleep.  I also was told it was okay to take a benedryl before I went to bed while on steroids since benedryl does make me very sleepy.  Keep us posted on what you learn from the onco about that reaction you had last night.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    formydaughter sorry you had such a rough time. Yes usually when someone's throat closes up they do more Benadryl. I too bloated big time. For most its the decradon that does it. For me just the opposite. I blew up when I went off the decradon. Most of us do put on 8-25lbs on chemo treatment for breast cancer. Yay we got to be fat and bald but it all does go away. I never had any flu-like symptoms so I hope you don't either. I didn't think Herceptin would be the culprit. I would think more the taxotere or carbo.

    Trick to using a brow pencil. short little strokes like you are drawing back the little hairs. This is why I prefer powder. You just pat the brush stroke on instead of drag.

  • Cici566
    Cici566 Member Posts: 22
    edited February 2014

    I just finished my first round of four of AC.  One down three to go!  I was so proud of myself I really mentally prepared myself going in for chemo and felt that I was strong.  Sadly DH decided that the car ride over meant that it was time to talk about his work stress and that he needed to concentrate on work and upcoming travel.  He didn't mean it in a mean way, I know he is feeling the stress of taking care of me and the kids and a difficult job situation.  He just has terrible timing! So of course, I cried in the car.  I cried when my nurse started explaining things.  I pulled myself together and my nurse was lovely.  I am glad that he was there because he heard all the possibilities of what could happen.  Now, he feels horrible.  Everything went well.  I had a very chatty nurse so I didn't get to zone out the way that I wanted to.  I downloaded some chemo and healing cancer meditation mp3 to listen to. I oguess I will listen later when I can't sleep.

    So far so good.  I have a headache and a funny stomach.   I have had as much water as I can today so I will switch to soup and tea for liquid.  Adriamycin makes your pee orange for about 48 hours so I totally want to drink that color away.  I went to the look good feel better class and they really give you good tips and great product.  Tommorrow I am taking my wig to be styled.  I don't know how I feel about the wig but I like that I have an option.   I am hoping that I can make it to a gentle yoga class on thursday.  I miss my yoga.  I havent been for a month since my masectomy.

    I am so sorry that you had a bad reaction formydaughter.  Definitely stay on top of the phone calls.  The doctors and nurses want to make this as painless as possible.  Good luck.  You are doing great! 

    Hi h0pe,  good luck on friday! I ate breakfast and took a sandwich with me to chemo.  I drank a little over a quart while I was there.   My onc nurse said they do fluid iv if you can't drink anything.  You are lucky you are getting Neulasta.  My insurance company didn't approve the neulasta so I have to give my self 7 shots of neuprigen.

    Thank you ladies who have been down this path.  The advice and information is amazing.  It always makes me feel like I know how to move forward.with confidence.  I am always prepared with questions about things that they don't necessarily tell you.

    I would love to know how other AC people are feeling.

    Good luck everyone.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    They don't call Adrymicin the red devil for nothing. I didn't get AC but I have that it can really make you tired. You may be sleeping a lot for a few days. It passes from what I hear but it can really wipe some people out.

  • gatorgal89
    gatorgal89 Member Posts: 56
    edited February 2014

    Had my midway check-up today and was a little bummed that my ANC is .8%. I really didn't think it would drop that low after one treatment...especially since I've been feeling pretty good. Hope it gets back up there by second treatment Monday.

  • Njmom3
    Njmom3 Member Posts: 143
    edited February 2014

    Ok formydaughter and cici be prepared to read your story again!  I had my first one today 1 down 3 to go right!  then 12weeks of taxol.  I was apprehensive but ok up until I had to open the door to the center. Hubby dropped me off and parked and I went in alone,  Mistake!  I started  to cry and couldn't give my name,  I did pull myself together and got through registration.  Then they called me in, by now hubby was here thank God!  I looked around at all the people, but no offense, at 47 I was the kid,  they brought me to my chair and the fist thing I thought of was the electric chair.  Then I lost it big time! Later the nurse admitted she was crying, what a way to make a first impression!  I  finally pulled   it together and honestly got through it.  I used my Emla cream prior but since my port is new and sore it hurt a bit just touching it, but not earth shattering.  I really didn't  mind the infusion or the red devil push either.  Went to lunch after and stopped at ulta for Anastasia eyebrow pencil lol!  I wanted the powder, but sales lady talked me out of it.  I still may go back for it, any recommendations?  I then came home and felt like all the energy was zapped from me and I was a big bowl of jelly.  Could not keep awake!  After snoozing had some soup for dinner, not really hungry, not nauseous but not feeling quite right either and I headache is brewing.  I took an Ativan to proactively head things off...  I have been very weepy tonight about weird stuff, maybe due to the Ativan?  Not really liking that.

    Now the big question....  Nuelasta shot tomorrow at 3. Do I take Claritin tonight or in the am. And then how long afterwards and is it always at the same time?  Mo said it was ok, just didn't give me a dosage.

    Thanks so much, for listening and for those who shared it really helps to know I am not the only one in what I am feeling.  WE are in this together and We got this!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    Lots of women cry the first time. It is fucking scary.

    I used to think of the chemo room as the crack house. I told one guy getting chemo that. He thought it was hysterical. I also used to think about this song: linky

    I hear you about feeling young. I thought I was in the geriatric ward when I went for my first infusion at age 49.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited February 2014

    The first time I met with my MO everyone I was the youngest in the waiting room, that made me feel sick too.

    Ya'll are so brave and real....and I love it. Thanks for sharing. I've been full of nervous energy tonight, did some cleaning, made a Valentine's Day box for my 4 year old's party on Thursday. I'm trying to stay busy, Thursday is almost here though.

  • Cici566
    Cici566 Member Posts: 22
    edited February 2014

    it's funny how perspective changes! I was feeling older an noticing changes this year.  I am 49.  It is weird and awful being the youngest.  I guess we have our youth and exuberance going for us and I feel they are giving us the AC to really be aggressive with the cancer!  Good job NJ mom3.  

    One day at a time.  We got this.  Be good to yourself.

  • dancetrancer
    dancetrancer Member Posts: 4,039
    edited February 2014

    "Now the big question.... Nuelasta shot tomorrow at 3. Do I take Claritin tonight or in the am. And then how long afterwards and is it always at the same time? Mo said it was ok, just didn't give me a dosage."

    I took my Claritin a minimum of 15 minutes prior to my first injection...but if you can take it in the morning several hours before your shot, that will be better, IMO.  You want to make sure it has enough time in your system to start working before the injection.  I would take it about the same time every day after that for the 7 days following. 

  • Njmom3
    Njmom3 Member Posts: 143
    edited February 2014

    Thanks dance!  I wound up taking it about 1000 last night. I wanted to give it plenty of time!  Feel real good so far today, eating my Cheerios and took a zolfran as instructed.  Hope this works!  I noticed se of zolfran is headache and fatigue. I wonder if Tylenol will help, I did have one yesterday!  Good luck everyone handling se or having tx!💗

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    Njmom3-  If you are taking Zofran, you may want to try to stay ahead of the possible constipation from the Zofran.  Keep drinking plenty of fluids, and try to have a diet of high bulk foods.  I used to eat Sunsweet Ones prunes that are individually wrapped.  I would eat a one or two after every meal.  That seemed to help keep me regular.  I know.... the mere thought of prunes and eating them wasn't what I wanted to do but they are sweet and moist.  You can also drink a mix of apple juice and prune juice. 

    Wishing easy times in the BGC and minimal side effects for all!!!!

  • Macintx
    Macintx Member Posts: 118
    edited February 2014

    A friend of mine who went through chemo would always refer to it as the Infusion Bar, like it was a trendy bar that only VIP's like her could get into.  The IV's were the cocktails, and the nurses were the bartenders, etc.  I really got a kick out of reading it on her Caring Bridge.  Makes it not quite as scary since I will be facing it in 2 weeks!

  • Siniberry
    Siniberry Member Posts: 14
    edited February 2014

    Thanks Karen,

    Went to the class today and I will be taking Cytoxan and Taxotere. I did get a script for the Elma.

    I go into the Dr office and tell them I need this or that and tell them my sister warriors say this will help. :-)

    I hope I can ease the fears of the ladies that need help after me as much as everyone has helped me.

    Only someone that has been through this can ever know how we feel.  Thank you so much, Penny

  • Sicilian
    Sicilian Member Posts: 49
    edited February 2014

    Glad that the websites might be helpful. Although they said my scarves would take 7-10 days to get here, they arrived today, and just in time. My hair was falling out by the handful. A good friend asked her hairdresser to come to the house and she buzzed my back and sides and left me a bit of length on top. She said it may be gone in another few days, but in the meantime, I have a chic new pixie cut. And the girl refused to take any money. I am overwhelmed by the kindnesses I've received from people!

    My next chemo is in a week. Yuk. The chemo stuff I can handle. I expected all of them, but I'm dreading my next Neulasta shot. I did the Claritin, but it didn't help. However, that's me, so who knows?

    Did I tell you guys that at my first chemo I saw Kevin Bacon outside the infusion center? They were filming The Following at the hospital, and he was literally standing right outside the window. I yanked my IV right out of the wall and dragged it over to the window to take his picture. My daughter had come to the infusion center (I didn't want her to be there, but she insisted) and she was making fun of me for being Kevin's stalker. I was glad he was there so it was a distraction for her.

    Hang in there, ladies. We can take this cancer and kick its ass!

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited February 2014


    Wow! cool story abt Kevin Bacon!

    Tomorrow is the big day, I'm settling in on the couch tonight. Just ate my favorite ice cream and I am just trying to relax. I went and picked up some scripts tonight and they forgot the stinking Zofran!! DH will have to pick it up for me tomorrow for sure.

     

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