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Smitty333
Smitty333 Member Posts: 130

Hello, I am wondering if any of you ladies can give me a little advice. I just had 3 lumpectomys (excisional biopsies) one for micro calcifications, showed up as atypical ductal hyperplasia, one for a mass that turned out to be fat necrosis, hemorrhage and partially organized hematoma, and the third were some lumps on my rib bone that turned out to be Lobular carcinoma in-situ with necrosis.

So I met with Dx and he gave me three options to think on. One was Tamoxflin (spelling??), one was Mastectomy with or with out reconstruction or the watch and see. Doing mammograms and ultrasounds every six months.

I am just looking for some insight and advice. Right now I am leaning towards the watch and wait.

I also have one other question. I have what feels like about a golf ball sized hard lump in my breast under and around one of the incisions and my Dx says if it is not gone by next week he will have to take care of it. Anyone elses ever have this happen.

By the way I am 35 with three kids. Thanks so much in advance ladies :)

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  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited February 2014

    IMHO I think is comes down to how well your breasts image.  Do you know if/ how dense your breasts are?  Generally ladies who choose high risk surveillance alternate every 6 mos with mammos and MRIs. I would probably want to meet with a genetic counselor to have them put a number on my risk. Also one interesting thing I learned on these boards is that tamoxifen can actually decrease your breast density thus making imaging easier.  Sorry you have to deal with this at your age. :(

  • Smitty333
    Smitty333 Member Posts: 130
    edited February 2014


    Thanks for your reply farmerlucy. I have very dense breast. The only reason they found my LCSI is because they wanted to do the other two lumpectomys and I asked them to please do one on my rib bone at the same time. I just knew there was something not right there for years, always painfull and changing in size. So what I am getting at is I had already had Mam, MRI and ultrasounds. All of wich found Birad 4 spots in a couple different areas, none of wich turned out to be much of anything.. And the one that didnt turn up on any scan was the LCSI. 

     I am not familiar with the ginetic counciler. Do they do the BRCA testing?? I think that would really help with my decision if so.

    I had to have a hystorectomy and my ovaries removed a year ago. So doing the Tomoxiflin is a hard decision for me. I wouldnt be able to take my estrogen, but than again I am still having hotflash's like its my job so not sure its working anyway!!

    I feel like this last year has been a roller coaster. I kind of feel like if I have a mastectomy I am not even a woman anymore. i have no uterus or ovaries and now my breasts. Some times I want to act like nothing ever happened and just not go to my next appointment.

    Of course all of my friends say, if it was me I would have them taken off immediatly. So easy to say when you are on the outside looking in.

    Nice to get advice from someone who has been here. Thank you :)

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014

    Smitty, I do the alternating MRIs & mammograms. Most women with LCIS do not go on to develop cancer & you absolutely do not need to have a mastectomy for it unless YOU want to.

    A genetic counselor does much more than BRCA to provide your best true risk assesment.

    You really need to talk to your doctor about HRT you are taking because they are absolutely going to want you off it. Estrogen feeds the probability you will go on to develop breast cancer.

  • Smitty333
    Smitty333 Member Posts: 130
    edited February 2014

    That is good to know Melissa thanks. I am suprised you say that because when I talked to my Dr yesterday who is a Oncologist, he said you may not want to do Tamoxiflin because you wont be able to take your estrigen with it. My aunt who had Stage 2 breast cancer keeps telling me not to take my estregon because hers was estregen positive. So should I stop taking it??


     

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014

    it seems very weird to me that an oncologist would let you take estrogen when the main risk-lowering strategy for LCIS is either Tamoxifen or an Aromatase inhibitor, both of which work by different mechanisms to reduce the effect of estrogen on your breast tissue. I would either seek a second opinion or clarify this.

    Perhaps the doctor meant you could continue to take it if you did the mastectomy option.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2014

    smitty---the hard lump around your incision is most likely a hematoma, maybe the surgeon can drain it, or sometimes they just resolve with time. I was diagnosed with LCIS  over 10 years ago at age 46.  I was given the same 3 standard options for LCIS. I had already been  having mammos since age 34 due to my mom having had ILC many years ago (she is a survivor of over 27 years!) so I wanted to do something more proactive that just monitoring (but did not want to go the route of BPMs),  so I went on tamoxifen for prevention for 5 years, and now I take evista for further preventative measures. I also do high risk surveillance of alternating mammos and MRIs every 6 months with breast exams on the opposite 6 months. ( monitoring helps to detect what is already there, hopefully earlier when it is more treatable, but doesn't do anything to prevent it). Fortunately I haven't needed any further biopsies in all these years.  Not the choice for everyone, but it works for me. If you do decide on tamox, a yearly transvaginal US is a good idea to monitor both the uterine lining and the ovaries. Feel free to PM me anytime.

    Anne 

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited February 2014

    Wow - you have been through it with an ooph so young. I think Mellissa is right, you may, (and I do mean may) be able to do the HRT if you've had a mx. I am two years out from my double mx and as far as feeling less womanly I certainly don't. In fact I have to say I feel more womanly and empowered because of what I've been through.  A second opinion may be in order. My family is all from the corn belt (Il, Ia) and whenever they have a major medical concern they head to the Mayo Clinic. Please keep us posted.

    Also I just realized that you probably aren't a candidate for Tamoxifen if you've had an oophorectomy. I think there is a least one AI (aromatase inhibitor) approved for prevention purposes. Please check with your doctor on that as well.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014

    Farmerlucydaisy, they do give tamoxifen to some menopausal women, but I think Aromasin is proving to be more effective.

  • ziggypop
    ziggypop Member Posts: 1,071
    edited February 2014

    Smitty - first off, I seriously doubt that you should be taking estrogen. I can not imagine that would be okay with any oncologist. Tamoxifen is prescribed for er+ pr+ cancers. What this means is that these cancer cells have receptors (think of them like doorknobs with a keyhole) on them that 'like' estrogen and progesterone (meaning estrogen and progesterone are the right shaped 'keys' to fit into that keyhole on the receptor). When estrogen or progesterone unlock that door, it 'feeds' the cancer cells allowing them to multiply. Tamoxifen essentially makes it so that estrogen and progesterone can't  fit into as many receptors - but the last thing that you would do is ADD estrogen. There are things that will help with hot flashes (or help most people) that don't have estrogen in them (effexor is the most commonly prescribed for people on tamoxifen). 

    Sooo - #1, get a second opinion, maybe I'm wrong - but if your MO is talking Tamoxifen and letting you stay on estrogen - in my world that warrants a second opinion. #2 = given the options you were presented, there's no reason that you can't start on Tamoxifen and see how the SEs are etc, do diligent watching, and think for awhile about the mastectomy. You do not have to make the decision about the MX right now and do not listen to your friends (they might be great people with the best of intentions but LCIS rarely goes on to become cancer - ask your friends if they'd go in and have a MX tomorrow 'just because' someday they might get breast cancer - because that happens to be true for everybody - your risks are now very slightly higher (very slightly) higher than your friends risks. 

    (hugs) - this is tough but you'll be okay & this is actually a really 'good' result in the overall breast cancer world. Take your time on the decision - you do not have to rush anything which is really a good thing. 

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited February 2014

    Ok got it - thanks Melissa.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2014

    smitty----- anyone at increased risk of bc (which you are now with LCIS) should avoid taking HRT; the last thing you want is any added estrogen. You're kinda inbetween a rock and a hard place.  I know exactly how you feel, because I was there 9 years ago.  I had to have a TAH/BSO (hysterectomy/oopherectomy), had to go thru immediate surgical menopause without being able to take any HRT for relief of symptoms, due to my high risk from LCIS (and my family history of ILC which further elevates my risk).  The first year was very rough.  I was 46; I'm sorry you are having to deal with this at only 35.  I did not take any Effexor as I did not want to deal with any more SEs, but sometimes I wish I had tried it. A lot of people say it helps with the hot flashes.  (Well, you can ignore the recommendation for the TVUS then). I agree with Ziggy---no rush with LCIS as it is non-invasive, you can take as much time as you need to research, ask questions, and make decisions.

    lucy---both tamoxifen and evista  can be used after menopause for LCIS (and now aromasin as well). I was on tamox another 3.5 years after my surgery/immediate menopause.

    ziggy---while it is true that many with LCIS never go on to get invasive cancer (only about 20% do), it does raise your risk quite significantly, not "only slightly".

    Anne

  • Smitty333
    Smitty333 Member Posts: 130
    edited February 2014

    Thanks so much everyone for all of the facts and advice. This stuff is all so foreign to me and I want to make the right choices.

    From the day they started me on estrogen I had concerns (breast cancer that runs in my family is estrogen positive) my gyn. told me it's such a low dose that ibhave nothing to worry about. Does anyone know if this is true? 

    Also I am wondering if anyone else has went through surgical menopaus, and if so how long the symptoms last?

    I feel like my next step is a genetic councler. I wonder if inscurance covers that?  

    I didn't want to offend anyone by saying I would feel less womanly if I were to get a mestectomy. I just feel at my age loosing my uterus and ovaries than taking my breast in the same year would send me over the top. Do any of you have any knowledge of wether the mass and lesions on my ovaries have anything to do with my problems in my breast? 

    Geez sorry everyone, these are all of the questions I should have asked my Dr. Sometimes your mind shuts off as soon as you step into the examining room! 

    Thank you all so much. :) 

  • Smitty333
    Smitty333 Member Posts: 130
    edited February 2014

    by the way the hard lump under one if my incisions is about the size of a golf ball and painful. Is this a hematoma? 

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited February 2014

    Smitty - You didn't offend me one bit. Insurance will cover a genetic counselor. If you haven't had the Brca test, you should probably have it. I have great worries about the additional estrogen in your case. I would see a breast surgeon at the best hospital you can find to start with - maybe one connected with a university. He/she can refer you to whatever professional you need.  A regular gynecologist may not be the best doctor for your issues. As others have said, you have plenty of time to figure things out. Take it step by step. No reason to panic at all. It is all going to be just fine. You got this girl!

  • Smitty333
    Smitty333 Member Posts: 130
    edited February 2014

    I will be making some calls on Monday. Thank you! :)

  • Elsiecow
    Elsiecow Member Posts: 37
    edited February 2014

    I had DCIS in left breast, treated with lumpectomy, RT and tamoxifen. One year later I was diagnosed with LCIS in the right breast. Since tamoxifen is used to decrease the chance of developing cancer and I developed LCIS I opted for PBMX with reconstruction. I will be having a bilateral oophorectomy in the next year.

  • Smitty333
    Smitty333 Member Posts: 130
    edited February 2014

    I don't blame you. Me and my husband are kind of at the point that we would do the every six month mam and ultrasound but If something else shows up I would go with the mast. with reconstruction.  It becomes such a roller coaster waiting for biopsies and results. I don't know if mentally I could do it again. I have waited for biopsy results 4 times in the last year. I hope things have gotten better for you. 

  • ndroby
    ndroby Member Posts: 104
    edited February 2014

    Smitty,

    I had LCIS diagnosed along with atypical ductal and atypical lobular hyperplasia. This was on breast biopsy #14! My mom died at 33 from breast cancer and I was only 2 yrs old. Her mom died at 72 and my older sister was diagnosed with IDC at age 56. 

    I opted for PBM with implants. I also needed hysterectomy and oophorectomy in between the two breast reconstruction surgeries. I have no uterus or ovaries, and my breasts are implants. I'm still feeling like a real woman. I've never been happier because I'm no longer worrying when the other shoe will fall. I take an estrogen patch twice a week and that's taken care of the hot flashes.

    Part of me wishes I had this done at 35 and not at 52--I've taken years off my life by constantly worrying about getting breast cancer.

    Bottom line: you must do what feels right for you. Talk to your doctor and family. The genetic counselor also helped me to put things in perspective. Insurance covers this. 

    Good wishes headed your way.

  • Smitty333
    Smitty333 Member Posts: 130
    edited February 2014

    ndroby I am so sorry for your loss. BC has really devestated your life. I don't blame you for making the decision you did. 

    My Drs tell me there is no connection but every time I go to the Dr they find lesions and mass's some were that need removed and biopsied. My uterus, ovaries and my liver. Liver is a cyst that we will "keep a eye on". I feel like I am waiting for the ball to drop. But on the other hand I feel like once they remove something in one part of my body, something just shows up somewhere else. Maybe ignorance is bliss. 

  • ziggypop
    ziggypop Member Posts: 1,071
    edited February 2014

    Hey Smitty - It sounds like you are getting some good suggestions - i.e. genetic testing, taking things one step at a time. Once you have gathered some more info, then maybe you can do a pro/con list for the various options. Sometimes it helps to just write it all out and really take your time & talk to the women here. I really wish that I had found this site before having any treatment (even though I really like my cancer 'team'). 

    wyo - you're right the risks are significantly greater  I got confused between comparing risk between treatment options and overall risk. Thanks for pointing it out - I would hate to give somebody bad info. 

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