February 2014 Starting Chemo Club

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  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    seaniebopp- The Ativan was offered to me as a part of my pre chemo IV drug cocktail by my onco.  This means I could have the anti anxiety med in my IV or not.  I readily said yes and had the Ativan in all of my pre-chemo IV cocktail.  This is the only time that I had Ativan and did not have a pill prescription for it to take at home.  If you are feeling anxious, do not hesitate to ask for something to help keep you calm.  No wine allowed since you will be receiving other drugs in your pre-chemo IV that definitely do not mix with alcohol.  Make sure you eat before you have your infusion since the infusion nurses do not like to give those pre-chemo IV drugs when one hasn't eaten.  These meds can cause nausea and other side effects if administered on an empty stomach. 

    If you are wondering what to eat , here are two books that I used while in chemoland which helped take the guesswork and figuring out what I should be eating in general and when I having side effects (FYI- I have no affiliation with the authors or any book sellers of these two books)

    Eating Well Through Cancer by Holly Clegg and Gerald Miletello MD.- book with menus, shopping lists, recipes and tips, is divided into chapters explaining what to eat before chemo and what to eat after having chemo, what to eat when you have certain side effects ( diarrhea, constipation, mouth sores, etc.

    The Cancer Fighting Kitchen by Rebecca Katz-  books has recipes and great pics and tips

     


     

  • Njmom3
    Njmom3 Member Posts: 143
    edited February 2014

    Thanks Melrose!  I just ordered the  Eating Well book from Amazon!  It looks great!  Admittedly I am a junk food junkie, but hopefully I will change my evil ways!  I'm not much of a fruit or veggie eater either, but again I may have to be.  I hope these recipes are simple to prepare with no exotic ingredients, since I may not have the energy and I know dh does not have the skills!  Thanks for the recommendation.

    I have a question, I can't remember which one of you fine warriors mentioned packing a chemo bag with essentials.  This sounds great, but what would those essentials be?  Did you find a link somewhere for this?  If you would be willing to share I would appreciate it.  Short of my phone and ipad I don't know what else I would bring...  Any excuse for retail therapy works for me!

  • Gardengirl66
    Gardengirl66 Member Posts: 93
    edited February 2014

    hi kjberty, thanks about the info for the Claritin . I asked the chemo nurse ,which one...she was not sure... But was impressed with some of the info I had and questions I asked (except I forgot to ask about a port). Told her I was getting my info from this site. 

    Funny I was told possible 3-4 week wait, I was put on the wait list and was called a few hours later, I was called to start tomorrow...but had to turn it down as I have to wait for the premeds from the pharmacy, which will not be ready till tomorrow  afternoon. At least I now know how the call will come.

    Thanks  and hope we all can get some rest, good night

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    Njmom3-  Here is the link to the Chemo Discussion Forum Thread that has links for Newbies ... http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/69/topic/785189?page=1#idx_1

    Moderators wrote:

    The main Breastcancer.org site has extensive information about Chemotherapy Treatment, including:

    There's also some great tips and practical advice on the following discussion board threads:

    There you will find the "shopping list".  I did not purchase everything on that list but I did purchase items that I could keep at home and have on hand in the event I needed them asap.  It also depends upon your infusion center.  Fortunately, mine had everything one could think of having with them----- snacks, water, ice, juice, coffee, and warm blankets. Because it is a major hospital cancer center and connected with other medical buildings, it was great to be able to have my husband get lunch for the both of us when I had my infusions.  Yes, you can eat as well as drink while having your infusions.  If you need to go use the restroom and hooked up to your IV, just ask the infusion nurse to unplug your IV pole from the electrical socket and head down to the restroom with the pole in tow.  ( BTW I hope this isn't too much information--- there is a practical side to chemo infusions.... lol)

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    Gardengirl6- If you get the phone call again to start your chemo soon and you don't have your premeds, don't worry.  Those pre-meds can be put in the pre-chemo IV drug cocktail.  Some chemo patients are not given drug prescriptions from their oncos until after the first infusion and do receive those same drugs in the pre-chemo IV.

    It is the regular 24 hour Claritin ( not Claritin D) that you are looking for. 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    Njmom3 Looks Good Feel Better is not run by the American Cancer Society. I do believe ACS provides wigs and maybe some funding but they are run by The Personal Care Products Council Foundation. That being said I loved the program. Didn't care much about the stuff I got but great tips on how to apply make up, care for your skin and even got a demo on how to wrap scarves. I swear I look better today than before chemo because of the make up tips.

  • Njmom3
    Njmom3 Member Posts: 143
    edited February 2014

    Lago I just double checked but for my area I had to call the American Cancer Society to register and they are the ones who called me back to confirm.  Maybe it is different in other areas?  The link you provided is different than the website I used, but I do see on the bottom personal care products so who knows...  All I know is I'm going, yahoo!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    I do believe they work together but I worked at ACS this spring/summer/fall for 6 months. They are not one in the same. I know that ACS might not be giving out wigs at their facilities anymore so that's why they partnered with LGFB. Also usually a social worker from ACS manages it at the the treatment centers.

  • seaniebopp
    seaniebopp Member Posts: 41
    edited February 2014

    Thanks Melrose for the books.  I just ordered them.  Problem is my husband is not a great cook (Lol) but I'm sure he will do his best.  It's now just two days away.  Let's Get It On!!!

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    seaniebopp-- I have to confess that I didn't cook up the recipes in those books but really looked at the books for some ideas as to what to eat and when.  Usually the first few days after chemo, I would eat rather bland meals aka my "white meals"--- potatoes (mashed, baked), mac n cheese, baked chicken, baked fish.  I also kept a food diary to help me keep track of what I ate so I would have an idea of what I ate after each round and see what agreed with me.  I ate 5-6 small meals a day so my tummy was never totally empty.  While I was in chemoland, I gave up salt and butter.  I couldn't stand the taste of salt and didn't like the texture that was left in my mouth and on my tongue after eating butter.  Fortunately, I did not have any food restrictions on what I could eat.  I did not eat sushi or rare meat or eat at buffets/salad bars and stopped getting those things "get it yourself" condiment bars and was careful about where I went out to eat.  Yes, one can still go out to eat so one doesn't feel like she is totally confined to eating at home every meal. 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    I ate sushi. My onc said I could but I was getting the Nuelasta shot and my counts were always fine.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited February 2014


    Oh....are there food restrictions during chemo sometimes?

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    tangandchris- Some oncos do restrict the foods like no fresh fruit and no fresh raw veggies.  As you can see from what Lago and I have said about our experiences, we all get different recommendations from our oncos. 

  • gildedcage
    gildedcage Member Posts: 139
    edited February 2014

    I was told I could eat most anything I wanted as long as it was thoroughly cooked or, if it was raw, thoroughly washed. I ended up eating ceviche once and tuna tartare (I live in LA and we eat crazy stuff here) twice during treatment and was fine. I just made sure I waited a couple of days after I finished up with my Nupogen shots. I didn't have any trouble but I was risking it and it probably wasn't the smartest thing to try. I think I just got so sick of just eating those "white foods" and carb loading the week after chemo that I wanted to really craved fresh and healthy foods when I started to feel back to normal between chemo treatments. Looking back, I probably should have been more careful of what I ate. All it takes is one little leaf of spinach with some bacteria on it to have sent me to the hospital. 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    BTW any of you folks on Herceptin I would stay away from Grapefruit. Grapefruit interacts with losts of meds so I would check with your onc even if you are on Herceptin.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited February 2014


    Okay, well those limitations make sense. I'm going to see my MO tomorrow, will have an iron infusion due to being anemic. Hope to have a much better idea of when this chemo thing will start!! Anyone have an iron defiiciency going into chemo?

  • Gardengirl66
    Gardengirl66 Member Posts: 93
    edited February 2014

    Hi everyone, got the call this morning ,start this Friday  February 7, at 9am. Think  I have everything, got all my prescriptions ... Now just to organize , pack a bag  and relax  with the family.  Hope everyone is hanging in there, (((((Hugs)))))  to everyone !

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    tangandchris- If you are anemic, you can try to eat iron enriched foods to help try to get those RBC numbers up.  Those foods are lean red meats, spinach, iron enriched cereals ( cream of wheat, Total, etc.)  Here is a link to a food data chart for iron: http://apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data5e.html  that may help you.  You can also put in a search on the Livestrong.com website for foods with iron.  Try not to fret because you are having an iron infusion.  The chemo does affect the red blood cell counts to.  My RBC dropped after each round of chemo but not reach the point of requiring a iron infusion.  Hope this helps.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited February 2014


    Melrose-I'm not really fretting, just curious of others experiences. I was surprised to learn that its a 4 hour infusion and I imagine that I'll feel pretty good afterward. Thanks for the chart :)

    It's funny how our bodies will naturally crave foods with nutrients we are lacking. I've been craving steak and beans lol!

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    Gardengirl66- Good luck on Friday in the Big Girl Chair/ aka BGC.  Make sure you hydrate the day before chemo / tomorrow.  It will help make vein access for blood draws, etc.  a little easier because your veins are plump and ready to go.  Don't be surprised at the length of time that this first infusion takes.  You will be learning the general routine of your infusion.  Remember, if it is lunch time and you are still being infused, make sure you get some lunch.   No need to be hungry while you are being infused. Drink icy cold water and suck on/chew on ice during the infusion to help minimize the mouth sores.  Don't hesistate to ask the infusion nurses questions as they are taking care of you.  Remember, you are not alone and you are not self administering the chemo.  Wishing you the best!!!!

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited February 2014

    tangandchris-  Mmmmmmm.... steak and beans...... yum!!!!  Keep us posted on what the MO says about your start date. 

  • gildedcage
    gildedcage Member Posts: 139
    edited February 2014

    I used an iron supplement and I guess it worked because I never got anemic (and I don't even eat meat except fish). It's German and can be found online. It's called Floradix - it's a liquid and tastes faintly like metal. Also, Miralax works great on any constipation issues that arise. That's a must-have. 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    I used Metamucil for constipation. I hear its just a stool softener but basically it's fiber. Usually Milk of Magnesia works for me but not on chemo. 

    Good luck tomorrow Gardengirl66. Feb 7th is a lucky day.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited February 2014


    Well, no iron infusion today....they didn't have it yet. The truck was late because we are getting snow in TX and everyone looses it when that happens. However, I did get a date for my chemo start and it is 2/13, next Thursday. I will get the iron infusion the Friday after when I come in for the Nuelesta shot. I also found out that I'm B12 deficient, so I will be giving myself shots of that too.

     

  • h0pe
    h0pe Member Posts: 125
    edited February 2014

    Hi Everyone - So I just got my port this morning. It's  not so bad, a little achy when I first woke up but now it is fine. Hope it only gets better, pain wise. Has anyone started or done the AC dense dose? I'm starting next Friday and am getting so nervous about SE. It seems like a lot of people are doing TC. 

    Also, I kind of got spooked about possible permanent neuropathy yesterday when I was in clinic! Has anyone experienced this at all? Any sign/symptoms to look out for or anything we can do to avoid it?

    Stay warm to all you midwest, east coast ladies. So jealous of all who are in warm weather!

  • dancetrancer
    dancetrancer Member Posts: 4,039
    edited February 2014

    tangandchris - I had two iron infusions within the 8 months AFTER chemo.  I was just barely in the normal range for hemoglobin before starting chemo, but we did not check my iron.  It may have been low to start with.  I almost had to have a blood transfusion during chemo due to be very anemic, but I squeeked by without one. 

    h0pe, I did not develop permanent neuropathy.  I did have some tingling in my face and hand, but fortunately it did not last.  I took some supplements (with my onc's approval) to try to avoid permanent neuropathy.  It was my greatest fear as well.  If I had developed significant tingling I had made my mind up ahead of time to ask for my dose to be reduced.  As it was, my dose had to be reduced due to severe reflux (not controlled by multiple meds) and ringing in the ears.  

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2014

    Nueropathy If you develop any type of numbness, tingling or pins & needles tell your onc even if it goes away by the next treatment. If it's severe they will reduce your dose. Dose if figured on surface skin calculated by height and weight. Sometimes they get it wrong. I do have some numbness in my left heel that did not go away. Not too bad but I know my balance is a little off. If I was a runner or a gymnast I wouldn't be too happy. More common with Taxol and Taxotere.

  • purpletron
    purpletron Member Posts: 9
    edited February 2014

    Hello ladies, another one here to reluctantly join this crappy club (ha ha, nothing personal).

    I'll be starting four rounds of CT on February 20th. I think the wait is going to drive me nuts -- I just want to get this over with! Although I'm sure I'll feel differently on the 19th...

    Many thanks to our 'big sisters' kjliberty, Melrosemelrose, lago, gildedcage, dancetrancer & others for adopting us (okay, I blew that metaphor). I've learned so much from all the reading I've done in these forums, and it's lovely to have your knowledge & experience here on tap. I tend to lurk around not saying much, but I'm sure I'll have a bunch of questions once I start.

    My thoughts are with all those who have already started this journey, and particular good wishes to kaluha, Gardengirl66, seaniebopp and anyone else about to start!

    (Gardengirl66, if you don't mind me asking, whereabouts in BC are you? I'm being treated at the main Vancouver BCCA.)

  • gildedcage
    gildedcage Member Posts: 139
    edited February 2014

    I have some slight neuropathy on the bottoms of my feet. It's not painful; I just notice that sensation is dulled there. For example, if I'm standing on a cold floor, it doesn't seem as cold as it actually is because I can't feel it like I used to. I'm hoping it goes away but I can live with it. From what I've heard, if the neuropathy doesn't resolve itself within two to three years, it's for life. Some people ice their fingers and toes during infusions to help prevent neuropathy, as well as losing the toenails and fingernails. Since I was already doing the cold caps, I just could not imagine adding more ice to any part of my body so I didn't do it. It's something to consider though if neuropathy really concerns you. I'm not sure how effective it is either but it's worth researching to get a better idea if it's a good option for you. 

    If anyone is considering trying out cold caps, I would like to heartily recommend them. They worked very well for me. I've lost more than half my hair due to shedding between chemo treatments but I still have a lot of hair and no one know I had chemo unless I tell them. The caps are more effective with the TC chemo combo than the ACT combo. It's expensive and not everyone is particularly concerned about losing their hair but it's a great option for those who are. Personally, I felt so out of control in this whole experience that the caps became a symbol for me - it was the one thing I could control when I felt completely out of control. Just putting it out there for those who are interested. 

  • Macintx
    Macintx Member Posts: 118
    edited February 2014

    I am scheduled to start chemo on Feb. 25.  Just thought I would jump in and join the conversation!  I had my port inserted when I had my surgery, and I am still waiting for the surgeon to remove the drain. It's been 2 weeks and I still haven't gone below the threshold for him to remove it. Ugh!  My MO wants me to be totally healed up from the drain before starting chemo.  I haven't made a 100% decision on which chemo course to choose (he gave me two options,) but I am leaning toward the AC-T with 4 rounds of AC every 3 weeks, then 4 rounds of T every 2 weeks.  I wish everyone on here good luck!

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