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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited February 2014

    Where IS Larry???? I'm trying to find what you guys are talking about...

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014
  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited February 2014
  • AmyfromMI
    AmyfromMI Member Posts: 241
    edited February 2014

    Caryn and Melissa, alternate reality is right!  lol!  I've been following that thread since its inception (quite comical at times) and was following the other thread that is now dead.  

  • AmyfromMI
    AmyfromMI Member Posts: 241
    edited February 2014

    we need a "like" button!

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited February 2014
  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014

    i'm going to hell...i'm ready to post on the Alternative thread that their appreciation for completely unproven hyperthermia reminds me of the belief that drinking a bottle of gin in a boiling hot bath induced miscarriage of an unwanted pregnancy...reel me in ladies before I get in yrouble with the board again with a fight...

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2014

    Melissa, I'm right on the verge too. I have some good ones for the comments about whether hyperthermia treatment will damage the brain. Shut my mouth! 

  • AmyfromMI
    AmyfromMI Member Posts: 241
    edited February 2014

    wouldn't hyperthermia lead to an increased risk of developing lymphedema? Why would anyone want to chance that?

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2014

    Amy, beats me.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited February 2014

    my dearest ladies,

    Holding ones tongue, is so hard sometimes. I have gotten into more than one dust up over what I've read on those other threads. For me, the irony is that I have no problem with alternative or complementary tx, if there is evidence, not anecdotes, that it works ! Wouldn't we all love a natural, se free cure for cancer? However, for those of us who question or ask for evidence, anecdotes and unqualified "health warriors" are not enough. What really baffles me are those who say they don't need evidence! They are leaving themselves open to any slick huckster out there. Enough said. So, enjoy your Sunday and try to stay out of the quagmire.

    Caryn

    PS: Kudos to momine who navigates the quagmire so gracefully!

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2014

    Yes, I'm just amazed about how Momine keeps her cool! For me, it's better to just STFU or stay away from those threads. Gotta go there sometimes for a good laugh, though.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2014

    well, I think it's kinda interesting, funny, confuzzled, and the good news is that getting ourselves asked to "leave" for being ( disruptive?) talking about food?  which leads to a Delicious Discussion of all thing VAIN ( Mrs. Brown getting a bikini wax required a change of panties for me!) but the disjointed interruptions by Larry's friend go on and on and on and on and....but someone  stuff is really a source of good comedy.

    More comedy, a little piece on larry   http://www.quackwatch.com/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

    Ya gotta not laugh too loud until you read the fan's letter posted at the very very very very very bottom, by which time, you'll have to wipe the tears from your eyes

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2014

    Kay, thanks for the info! As Caryn said I am open to new (alternative?) treatments as long as they are science based. Looks like the hyperthermia treatment may be moving in that direction. 

  • Andrea623
    Andrea623 Member Posts: 959
    edited February 2014

    Blessings, that was hysterical! I had my head back laughing! Thanks for sharing!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2014

    Children, children ;) Thanks for the kudos, but really no need. My calm demeanor is only because I have spent way, way, way, way  ... way too much time on debate boards over the years (ok, dammititall, 15 years, happy???) ;)

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2014

    Kayb, good to know. I was wondering because my LE therapist is getting hyperthermia treatments along with chemo right now, for stage 3 colon cancer. She is being treated in the Netherlands.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited February 2014

    kayb,

    I have no problem with tx that go through the scientific vetting process. I think that is wonderful. My problem is tx based on anecdotes, heresay or pushed by "practitioners" with dubious credentials. Science based medicine is not perfect either but at least there are standards and conventions that need to be met ( and even that is not perfect!).

    Caryn

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2014

    I'm with kayb, and yorkiemom, I'd be interested in ANYTHING, as long as a reputable oncologist, cancer study center ( like Sloan Kettering, or Dana Farber, MD Anderson, etc) were studying it.  Doubt if at my ripe ole age I'd be interested in anything earlier than a stage III Clinical Trial ( in my current situation) but if necessary, yup, count me in for a Stage I if my oncologist says to go for it ;-)

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014

    I completely understand that there is some rather promising research on it. It is just what these ladies' practitioners do with preliminary research.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014

    Well crap! Philip Seymour Hoffman dead from a drug overdose. What a waste. I could still see him as a great character actor at 75.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2014

    Yes, just saw the Post article. Only goes to show that everyone has their troubles and that cancer is not the only thing that kills.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2014

    Found this very decent and clear overview of the current knowledge and use of hyperthermia: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Therapy/hyperthermia

  • AmyfromMI
    AmyfromMI Member Posts: 241
    edited February 2014

    RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman.  My first thought was "what are they going to do about Mockingjay?"  I know they are in post production for part 1, but is his character in part 2?  Sad. 

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited February 2014

    thanks, momine. Brief and concise! Like with most things in clinical trials, I remain hopeful. It is interesting that the therapy is given in conjunction with chemo or rads. I wonder if there are trials using it as a stand alone tx?

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2014

    Bronx, judging from the altie thread, it sounds like there are private, quack clinics in Europe offering it as free-standing treatment. 

    I have read about the trick with heating the blood as a treatment for liver mets, but in conjunction with some kind of chemo (if I remember right).

    It also sounds, from the summary, as if full body hyperthermia is quite extreme.

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited February 2014

    I still haven't found that thread. I get the jist of it though. And maybe I shouldn't say it here, here goes anyway. 

    Do you think people had a hard time accepting a chemo drug could be made from fir trees?

    Or a drug to treat diabetes would be synthesized from the saliva of the Gila Monster?

    I don't mean to start trouble. I will STFU now.

  • wyo
    wyo Member Posts: 541
    edited February 2014

    Oh my- I am probably going to be in trouble here but... I think people are perfectly willing to accept fir trees and gila monsters if the drugs show sound evidence of doing what they are supposed to do.

    I would further say to stay on topic considering this is the "vain" thread that folks have no problem at all with botulinum toxin i.e botox ........ It does what it is approved to do.  LOL

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited February 2014

    Gila Monster------Byetta, an injectable drug

    Fir trees-------Taxotere 

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014

    Ya know, I just hate having to remember to shave my stupid hairy big toes. It'll be sandal time again before we know it.

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