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sweetjam
sweetjam Member Posts: 27
edited June 2014 in Just Diagnosed

I was just diagnosed a week ago.  Have met once with the surgical oncologist.  Waiting to see whether HER is positive or negative (no good options there)  I was convinced I had e+ or p+ had my mind set on bmx with no further treatment.  I'm super healthy, eat all organic no processed foods, no hydrogenated oil and no high fructose corn syrup.  I am active and exercise regularly.   I can not wrap my brain around putting ANY toxins in my body.  Meeting with the oncologist on Tuesday and getting testing for BRCA.  Still sticking to bmx with immediate reconstruction so I'm one and done.  Don't EVER want to go through this again and I just don't really care about my boobs- they are real but not spectacular.  I feel like I have no options and no control over what is happening.  My biggest concern is long term side effects from chemo or chemo resistance (which I read was 1 in 5).  Surgical Doc wants me to do chemo before surgery but I also can't figure out how suppressing the immune system is good for preventing surgical site infection or the healing cascade- it seems the opposite of every thing I know about surgery.  I want to be at my peak both mentally and physically before going under the knife. She is saying make the tumor small but it already is small and below what they normally see.  Any one have any thoughts or questions I should ask oncologist?  I don't even feel like I know what questions to ask because I just don't know enough about it.

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  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited January 2014

    sweetjam - You wrote "I was convinced I had e+ or p+..." Does that mean that your pathology came back showing ER- and PR-? I think that neoadjuvant chemo is more often recommended with TNC and neoadjuvant Tykerb was recently approved for neoadjuvant treatment of Her 2+ BC. You questions about the healing cascade and immune system are great questions to ask the MO on Tuesday. If you're not entirely comfortable with your treatment plan, don't hesitate to get a 2nd opinion.

  • learningtoletgo
    learningtoletgo Member Posts: 57
    edited January 2014

    Sweetjam, there are clinical trials going on right now that stimulate the immune system to fight all types of cancer. I will pm you the info and who to contact. This is not a alternative therapy but rather a new way to combat the disease.

  • christina0001
    christina0001 Member Posts: 1,491
    edited January 2014

    Welcome sweetjam, although I am sorry you have a need to be here. Getting diagnosed is such a blow, and I think the fear and uncertainty while waiting for test results, and waiting for a definitive treatment plan, is worse than any treatment itself. Sounds like you have a lot going for you - small tumor, and otherwise good health.

    Definitely don't hold back when asking your doctors to not only explain what treatment they recommend, but why they recommend it. And don't hesitate to get a couple of different opinions, if you are still uncertain. I got two opinions before I decided to have radiation, and while I ended up going with the first radiation oncologist, I was very grateful for my consult with the second radiation oncologist, because she explained things a little differently, and it helped me understand. Even if you are wary of chemo, I'm glad you are going to meet with the oncologist and learn a bit more about it. If it is any reassurance, I finished chemo a year and a half ago... I have had no lasting effects from it. But of course, long term side effects do happen for some.

     You are correct in your concerns about healing during and after chemo, and this is why your doctors will probably have you wait a bit in between chemo and surgery, to make sure you do heal well. I also agree that if you are planning on a mastectomy, then shrinking your tumor is not as big of a concern as it would be if you were having a lumpectomy. But the chemo may be helpful if cancer cells have passed outside of the breast. I imagine your doctor may possibly want to test your lymph nodes for evidence of this, but even if that comes back negative, it is not a 100% guarantee that the cancer cells have not spread.

    You feel like you have no choices... cancer is sort of a series of one crappy choice after another IMO. Chemo or no chemo? Radiation or no radiation? Lumpectomy or mastectomy? Unilateral or bilateral mastectomy? What kind of reconstruction? Hormone therapy? Survival rates versus side effects... it's a bit of a maze. There is so much good information on this website, and hopeful the information here, plus good information from your physicians, will help you navigate it all.

    Best of luck to you!

  • Jpsara
    Jpsara Member Posts: 39
    edited January 2014

    Beware of taking reconstruction too lightly, I was like you, perfectly healthy ( except for the damn cancer), active eat clean etc.

    Am on my 5th surgery for reconstruction, it's a f"""""'g disaster!!!  Not sure where I am going from here, but has totally screwed me up emotionally, depressed all the time, crying etc.

    Wish I never even found out about the |\~\&$@  cancer now....would be happier in the box!!

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    agreed with sara above. 

    i didn't think a MX will take long to recover....i am 3 weeks after uni-MX and i don't feel that great. i am tired easily bc my job is demanding. the stress from work made me feel so tired. i can imagine a BMX will do to your body. reconstruction is not an easy path...i've read a few ppl on the forum and it's a long journey

    the way i went thru it was the BS examed my breasts and got a feel of how big the lump was. she didn't suggest chemo before the surgery. so you really have to ask your BS why you need chemo first...was the lump that big? there's no rush to have the surgery now, you should do more research and ask more questions before going under the knife. 

    i wish you the best....

  • marie5890
    marie5890 Member Posts: 3,594
    edited January 2014

    Hi SweetJam and Welcome. Sorry you find yourself in this sisterhood.

    Your story sounds like many women here. It goes to show getting or not getting cancer is often time a crap shoot. Living super healthy lives reduces risks of some times of cancer. But no one is guaranteed they will never get it. 

  • EstelaLorca
    EstelaLorca Member Posts: 98
    edited January 2014

    Hi Sweetjam,

    I'm sorry that you have to go through all this.  Like you I was very healthy and exercised regularly.  I couldn't wrap my brain around the "why me?" and was very angry.  I was 32 when diagnosed with no cancer in my family history.  I realize now that you can only do so much to minimize the risks, and that bc doesn't discriminate.  However, I firmly believe that because I was healthy to begin with I was able to beat it, and survive.  I continue to eat well, and exercise and have now been in remission for almost 5 years. 

    My recommendation is to have a second pair of ears in the room when you meet with your oncologist (if possible).  They might have questions you haven't even thought about.  I wrote mine all down before meeting with mine.  

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited January 2014

    the benefit to having chemo first is to see if it is working.  If you have one or two treatments and it hasn't shrunk you can discontinue. I am triple neg and only had one treatment due to diverticulitis which could have perforated my bowel.  The MO and i both thought it wasn't worth the risk to continue and i am ok after juch reading continuing without treatment.

    It is a hard decision and i am sorry youmare having to make it. Hang in there.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited January 2014

    Sweetjam - ask for your treatment benefit statistics first and read the info on this site about how to understand them as they can be confusing - for instance a 50% benefit does not mean 50% clear it means 50% of your risk of recurrence which could only be 30% so in effect you are taling about a 15% risk, if you see what i mean?  

    Also you can refuse chemo - I did and I do not regret it. But everyone´s situation is different and although its scary you do have time to make decisions rather than rushing in then regretting it

  • maltomlin
    maltomlin Member Posts: 343
    edited January 2014

    I'm with Wren on this............I don't understand why all patients don't have chemo before surgery. It makes sense to find a chemo that works for you.

    Nobody wants chemo.......I know I was scared silly when I was told I needed it........but it does the job. No, it's not pleasant.....but it's better than the alternative........and you're soon over it and getting on with your life.

    I'm here now nearly 6 years out.............enjoying life, planning my next holiday etc..........it was very different a few years ago!

    It's natural to be scared at the dx and the prospect of the treatment............but the treatment does work for the majority of people.

  • marie5890
    marie5890 Member Posts: 3,594
    edited January 2014

    How are you, Sweetjams?, your profile has you MIA for a few days?

  • sweetjam
    sweetjam Member Posts: 27
    edited February 2014

    Got the labs back and I'm triple negative *sigh*  They had to send the samples to Rochester because I cam back a 2 and they weren't sure.

  • sweetjam
    sweetjam Member Posts: 27
    edited February 2014

    That would be great.  Thanks for reaching out to me smillsbc.

  • sweetjam
    sweetjam Member Posts: 27
    edited February 2014

    Going for a second appointment with the oncologist tomorrow.  My cancer is TNBC, 1.4cm, stage 1 grade 2.  No clue what he is going to recommend for treatment because at the last appointment he spent most of his time talking about Herp? (yes dumb to have the appointment when the labs aren't back)  I am a candidate for immediate reconstruction and the surgeon does the skin saving and nipple saving technique.  The surgery will be long 4-6 hours but I think it will be worth it to be done with this whole thing.  The oncologist did put me in touch with a naturopathic doc which I'm happy about.  I'm looking into alternative therapies such as acupuncture and I have already started reiki. I have decided against a port after doing a lot of research for many different reasons. The next big decision will be if I will move forward with the chemo or not.  Mayo routinely does the therapy before and after surgery.    

    It has been a whirl wind of internet searching and compiling questions for my visit with the oncologist tomorrow.  I have been busy with work too which is a great distraction for me. 

    I told my husband yesterday that I have done everything to lower my risk and this thing still got me.  I guess it is an equal opportunity disease.  

  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited February 2014

    Sweetjam, I am making it my mission to help other women dx with bc because I don't want to see anyone else become a member of the stage IV club!  I have a girlfriend who was triple negative, she got 3 opinions from onc's & only one suggested that she do chemo. He basically told her if she was his wife that's what he would have her do!  That was over 10yrs ago and she has been living & loving life ever since!  (Ask your onc but I believe that chemo is the only adjuvant therapy available to a triple negative, I am not certain why they would suggest doing neo-adjuvant chemo if the tumor is in fact small, get a second opinion for that one because I think it would be better to do the chemo after the surgery to get the run away cells). Best of luck!

    Jpsara, Hang in there, I only wish I was in your shoes! I know many women with bmx's and most do not share the info with anyone that they do not have to, you may want to consider doing the same. It will give you time to adjust to your situation mentally and once you realize how much life you will be living you will be so glad that you are around to live it! 

    Praying for a cure.....no one should have to deal with this!

    The other ladies are correct though in stating that with neo-adjuvant chemo you will know if it is working or not, but definitely do the adjuvant chemo regardless!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited February 2014

    Because it isn't really known whether chemo works for triple neg I think doing chemo pre surgery is a good idea just to know if it is working. If you wait until after the tumour is removed you won't have any idea whether it is doing any good. If the tumour shrinks during neoadjuvant then you will feel some pressure off regarding recurrence.

    Side effects from chemo can be deadly so I would want to know I wasn't taking on those effects for nothing.

    All the best to you.

  • StayingFocus
    StayingFocus Member Posts: 51
    edited February 2014

    Hi sweetjam,

    Sorry to hear about your diagnosis, but you will receive excellent advice from some wonderful women on this site. An excellent site to check out is the Triple Negative Breast Cancer Foundation @  www.tnbcfoundation.org. In addition, Breastcancer.org has their own Triple Negative group dealing with this particular diagnosis.

    I too received a triple negative diagnosis , stage IV, and did chemo from September 2012 to June 2013. My oncologist put me on a weekly infusion of Taxotere and I rested on the 4th week. I also received four infusions of Adriamycin., which I referred to as the "red cocktail".  My last PET scan shows NED!

    Good luck with your upcoming appointments and tests. No matter what course of action you take, understand that you will get through this!

  • momof2doxies
    momof2doxies Member Posts: 342
    edited February 2014

    Sweetjam,

    I am TNBC with a similar size tumor, but grade 3. I want to share a few things that were never told to me and I never thought to ask. This was a second primary tumor for me so I decided I wanted a BMX with immediate reconstruction. My surgery was 10/27/13 and my arm pits and chest are still completely numb. I have finished chemo and will go in for implants at the end of this month. The PS will use the same incision site to remove the TE and replace with gel implants. However, the numbness is a very "creepy" feeling that I will probably have forever. It feels uncomfortable to sleep (which might improve with the removal of the TE), and very strange to have someone try to hug you….no hugs for me. That being said, I still would not change my decision about a BMX because this was my second BC within a year. However, please ask your surgeon about the regeneration of nerves. Some surgeons may be better at MX and saving those nerves. Best wishes on your journey. Continue your healthy lifestyle; that will serve you well.

  • vbishop
    vbishop Member Posts: 616
    edited February 2014

    I had my replacement surgery in late December.  Trust me, you will feel MUCH better after the tissue expanders are out.  I always felt I had a steel cage on my chest....not anymore!!  I, too, have some numbness, more on my cancer side than the other.  I think it may have to do with the amount of tissue they took during the mastectomies.  All in all, I feel great and my PS did a wonderful job.  I love my new girls!!  My only regret is that I have lost some upper body strength while I recoup.  I should be given the go ahead to start working out with small weights to tighten up my flabby arms and strengthen my core. 

    Good luck!

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